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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Lisbon Libel Trial Daily Reports and Judgements => Topic started by: John on October 02, 2013, 12:27:39 PM
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Libel trial in Lisbon - Day 6 Witness No 1
Patricia Cameron (nurse) evidence.
(http://i.imgur.com/ztv5T5z.jpg-Trish_Cameron-Gerry_McCann-UK_Justice_Forum)
Gerry McCann followed by his sister Trish Cameron (right) arrive at court.
Libel trial McCann v Gonçalo Amaral - Day 6 Witness No1
(02.10.2013, 10:10 am) The Judge arrives. TVI's lawyer is missing. The Judge dictates a note to the Clerk of the Court relating to the delay.
The McCann’s lawyer, Dra Isabel Duarte, reminds the Court that on 12th September 2013, the Complainants requested that Guerra & Paz produce the receipts signed by Gonçalo Amaral relating to his book copyrights.
Lawyer for Dr Amaral, Dr Santos de Oliveira, objects, but the Judge refers to the new CPC and states that a party can present documents at any time up to the end of the sessions.
The Judge rules that the defence must deliver up the documents requested.
In relation to the order in which the witnesses will give testimony, the Judge suggests that Mrs Cameron (Gerry McCann’s sister) testifies in the afternoon, but ID objects stating that this was not possible since her flight back to the UK departs shortly after lunch. The witness Henrique Machado cannot swap places with Mrs Cameron because he has an appointment also around that time.
The Judge decides that he will hear Mrs Cameron as the first witness immediately followed by Mr Machado whilst third witness Mr Dâmaso is asked to come back at 2.30pm for the afternoon session.
The TVI lawyer has still not arrived but the Judge says the session will start regardless. Dr Santos de Oliveira pleads the missing lawyer’s case and attempts to obtain a further 5 minutes adjournment as it appears that the TVI lawyer is stuck in a traffic queue following a road accident.
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Comments worthy of special note!
* After the Amaral book "The truth of the lie" was published the number of supporters decreased.
* Following the abduction and the publication of the book, Kate didn't go to the shops and had no social life.
* People believed the book because it was authored by the policeman who led the original investigation.
* Trish Cameron says the book is fake - it is a lie!
* The McCanns were advised to take security measures following incidents in public when people screamed at them.
* Twin Sean (5) asked Gerry if he was famous following a conversation he had overheard at primary school.
* Mrs Cameron says she is aware of the AG Report which says the most likely scenario is that Madeleine is dead.
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The evidence by Trish Cameron will be posted shortly.
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I have had a sneak preview of the report and find it remarkable that the British Press are cherry picking bits from the evidence and ignoring the negative aspects in what would appear to be a concerted effort to make the sun shine out of the McC's arses.
For instance they forgot to mention the 17,000 strong Petition calling on Social Services to investigate the couple. Also revealed is the fact that Gerry first read the PJ files from a translation on the internet!!
Also revealed for the first time is the fact that many people turned their backs on them following publication of the The Truth of the Lie book by former detective boss Amaral.
Trish Cameron also reveals that the twins are hearing comments at school about the libel trial in Portugal and that Sean once asked his father if he was famous. More later peeps.
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Libel trial in Lisbon - Day 6 Witness No 2
Henrique Machado (Portuguese Press Reporter) evidence.
(http://i.imgur.com/MwAyEoL.jpg-Henrique_Machado-McCann-UK_Justice_Forum)
Libel trial McCann v Gonçalo Amaral - Day 6 Witness No2
Note: This witness is the last witness of the accusation strictly speaking, unless the Judge agrees to Mr Gerry McCann taking the stand in November.
The testimony as it happened...
(02.10.2013, 11:30 am) Henrique Machado – Staff reporter with the Portuguese Morning Mail (Correio da Manhã) newspaper in Lisbon since 2005. He is not a freelance journalist.
The Judge asks him if he knows why he has been asked to testify.
HM – I think I'm here because I interviewed Mr Amaral in June 2008, before his book was published. I was with Eduardo Dâmaso for this interview. (Note: this interview was published on the 24th of July, the day GA's book was launched, on paper edition only)
The Judge asks in what circumstances this interview occurred.
HM – It was an initiative of the Correio da Manhã. At the time Gonçalo Amaral had already resigned and had left the Polícia Judiciária (PJ).
The Judge asks whether the witness knew that Gonçalo Amaral had a thesis about the case.
HM – Yes. He says that this understanding was induced by the orientation of the investigation.
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It seems that Trish Cameron, in keeping with most of the other witnesses, is only serving to underline the ambiguities in the McCanns' claims.
One example of many from her testimony, quoted from Anne's transcript:
ID asks whether the attention of the media increased or decreased after the publication of the book and the documentary.
TC says it increased.
ID – How do you know?
TC explains that her husband collaborated in the (Madeleine Fund) website. There was much more activity on-line.
Didn't they want more traffic to their website then? Couldn't this have also served well for them?
Even though she appears to do something that not all the other witnesses managed to do - point to a concrete example to justify her answer - the answer itself is contradictory.
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That applies to the Amaral book as well and I would wager that book sales are going through the roof at the moment with all this free publicity They do say there is no such thing as bad publicity. ?{)(**
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It seems that Trish Cameron, in keeping with most of the other witnesses, is only serving to underline the ambiguities in the McCanns' claims.
One example of many from her testimony, quoted from Anne's transcript:
ID asks whether the attention of the media increased or decreased after the publication of the book and the documentary.
TC says it increased.
ID – How do you know?
TC explains that her husband collaborated in the (Madeleine Fund) website. There was much more activity on-line.
Didn't they want more traffic to their website then? Couldn't this have also served well for them?
Even though she appears to do something that not all the other witnesses managed to do - point to a concrete example to justify her answer - the answer itself is contradictory.
I would argue that Mr Amarals book made more people aware of Madeleine rather than the opposite. The searching claim in my opinion is a misnomer, a curved ball, a non starter.
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It seems that Trish Cameron, in keeping with most of the other witnesses, is only serving to underline the ambiguities in the McCanns' claims.
One example of many from her testimony, quoted from Anne's transcript:
ID asks whether the attention of the media increased or decreased after the publication of the book and the documentary.
TC says it increased.
ID – How do you know?
TC explains that her husband collaborated in the (Madeleine Fund) website. There was much more activity on-line.
Didn't they want more traffic to their website then? Couldn't this have also served well for them?
Even though she appears to do something that not all the other witnesses managed to do - point to a concrete example to justify her answer - the answer itself is contradictory.
I think it shows Mrs Cameron's statement isn't made up, but genuine. She spoke from her indignation that lies are told and eventually believed about her brother. At least she's not invaded by doubt, which is probably better for her.
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That applies to the Amaral book as well and I would wager that book sales are going through the roof at the moment with all this free publicity They do say there is no such thing as bad publicity. ?{)(**
Yes, but after having gained notoriety thanks to trial by media overwhelmed by media on trial, I bet the McCanns would prefer anonymity and simple life in the countryside. It might be the reason why they attempted to reach a settlement off court.
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Yes, but after having gained notoriety thanks to trial by media overwhelmed by media on trial, I bet the McCanns would prefer anonymity and simple life in the countryside. It might be the reason why they attempted to reach a settlement off court.
They don't like being in the spotlight, but they will take every opportunity they can to be in it, no matter how difficult it is, because they know the only way to keep interest in the case is to keep it in the public eye. They are doing it for their daughter.
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That applies to the Amaral book as well and I would wager that book sales are going through the roof at the moment with all this free publicity They do say there is no such thing as bad publicity. ?{)(**
Yes, this is the other side of the coin.
I nearly bought the book myself a couple of weeks ago, before deciding against it.
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They don't like being in the spotlight, but they will take every opportunity they can to be in it, no matter how difficult it is, because they know the only way to keep interest in the case is to keep it in the public eye. They are doing it for their daughter.
I agree with you very much that their intentions are honourable.
The question is, are they always in fact managing to do the best thing for their daughter? Has the way they have handled things actually been well advised?
A case in point being this trial itself, in which they have failed to produced witnesses who are able to back up their claims.
Having said that we still await the trial's outcome...with interest
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I agree with you very much that their intentions are honourable.
The question is, are they always in fact managing to do the best thing for their daughter? Has the way they have handled things actually been well advised?
A case in point being this trial itself, in which they have failed to produced witnesses who are able to back up their claims.
Having said that we still await the trial's outcome...with interest
The libel trial, if it achieves nothing else, still gets Maddie in the news. As long as she is in the news, she is not forgotten.
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Yes, this is the other side of the coin.
I nearly bought the book myself a couple of weeks ago, before deciding against it.
Why when you can download a fully searchable pdf file for both books?
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Yes, this is the other side of the coin.
I nearly bought the book myself a couple of weeks ago, before deciding against it.
Can you read Portuguese ? or German ? or French ? I'm terribly curious, sorry !
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The libel trial, if it achieves nothing else, still gets Maddie in the news. As long as she is in the news, she is not forgotten.
I don't agree with this, a fortiori after 6,5 years of the most global and unsuccessful campaign ever (which means that it is likely the first and the last, regardless of the credibility of the abduction doxa).
Do you really believe that it makes sense looking for a girl matching more or less an aged picture instead of being attentive to any child abuse that may occur around us ?
Have you read what Mrs Cameron said about the trial's effect on her nephews ? For how long do you think their parents will be able to "minimize" this ?
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Why when you can download a fully searchable pdf file for both books?
I'm old-fashioned
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Can you read Portuguese ? or German ? or French ? I'm terribly curious, sorry !
I can read German reasonable well, Anne, having lived in Germany for a few years.
My French is good enough to read a newspaper article, though I wouldn't attempt to read something 'important' like Amaral's book in French, where guessing at something you're not quite sure of could lead to problems. It is also a long time since I used French properly - I did spend a fair amount of time in the south, near Albi - so I am not up to date with current idioms, etc.
Portuguese I don't know at all, beyond being able to observe the similarities between Portuguese and French in many of the verbs and much of the vocabulary, from the Latin roots.
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It certainly appears that the judge has read the both the book and the PJ Report:
The Judge – "A senhora pode ir à vida" = The lady may go back to her life
TC says she wishes to say something. She states that Kate studied the PJ files and the process and said it was very different from what is in the book.
SO protests and ID even more.
THE JUDGE OVERRULES SAYING THAT IT FALLS TO THE COURT TO COMPARE THE BOOK AND THE INVESTIGATION PROCESS AND SHE DOES NOT NEED THE INTERVENTION OF THE WITNESS TO DO SO.
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I can read German reasonable well, Anne, having lived in Germany for a few years.
My French is good enough to read a newspaper article, though I wouldn't attempt to read something 'important' like Amaral's book in French, where guessing at something you're not quite sure of could lead to problems. It is also a long time since I used French properly - I did spend a fair amount of time in the south, near Albi - so I am not up to date with current idioms, etc.
Portuguese I don't know at all, beyond being able to observe the similarities between Portuguese and French in many of the verbs and much of the vocabulary, from the Latin roots.
The French and the German translations are from Portuguese, then preferable to the English online version (from French). I wouldn't say it's well written as did Ms Stilwell, I would rather say it's not written, it doesn't pretend to be literature. I don't think you'd have difficulties reading it and it could be a pretext to brush your French or your German !
If you studied Latin, written Portuguese is no big deal, but speech is tricky, even for Hispanophones.
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The French and the German translations are from Portuguese, then preferable to the English online version (from French). I wouldn't say it's well written as did Ms Stilwell, I would rather say it's not written, it doesn't pretend to be literature. I don't think you'd have difficulties reading it and it could be a pretext to brush your French or your German !
If you studied Latin, written Portuguese is no big deal, but speech is tricky, even for Hispanophones.
Thanks for the advice! I will have to find time to give it a try...
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Thanks for Mrs. Cameron deposition that as it is usual (above noticed by another poster) was totally misused by the press (british and portuguese) - fortunately we have Anne's reports.
I am anxious now for the full report of Eduardo Dâmaso's deposition. I was surprised at the Star article by Lawton, after all his tweets, where there was not a single mention about it - that would have been news: a claimants witness actually defending the respondents right to write the book.
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Libel trial in Lisbon - Day 6 Witness No 3
Eduardo Dâmaso (Portuguese Press Reporter) evidence.
(http://i.imgur.com/9QWh3el.jpg-McCann-Eduardo_Dâmaso-UK_Justice_Forum)
Libel trial McCann v Gonçalo Amaral - Day 6 Witness No3
The testimony as it happened...
(02.10.2013, 2:50pm) – Eduardo Dâmaso is a witness for both parties. He is a journalist with the Portuguese Morning Mail (Correio da Manhã) based in Lisbon.
The Judge asks what exactly his job with the newspaper was when the interview with Gonçalo Amaral was published. (Note: The article referred to only exists in print, a copy of which has been lodged with the Court).
ED says that at the time the book was published he was Deputy Director with the Correio da Manhã.
The Judge asks whether he knows why he has been called to testify.
ED says he is aware the reason is because he took part, he was present, at the interview of Gonçalo Amaral.
The Judge asks when that was.
ED thinks it was about one year after the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
The Judge asks how the interview was set up and organized, who contacted who.
ED says that he and Henrique Machado contacted Gonçalo Amaral.
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First of all I would like to give my thanks to Anne for here INCREDIBLE work 8@??)( 8@??)( 8@??)
I'm not sure if you have already found the link to the original interview published in O Correio da Manha, I've just published the Spanish translation and haven't had time to read anything else.
So just in case here goes a link to the original articule in O Correio da Manhã: http://tinyurl.com/5zbg8w
And here you can find a summary posted on the same day: http://tinyurl.com/5chkem
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Eduardo Dâmaso is a witness for both parties.
Can somebody explain how this can possibly be, or is it a mistake? There is no system of law I have ever heard of where someone can be a witness for BOTH parties.
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Eduardo Dâmaso is a witness for both parties.
Can somebody explain how this can possibly be, or is it a mistake? There is no system of law I have ever heard of where someone can be a witness for BOTH parties.
It happens even if youve never heard of it
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Actually, I'd prefer a sensible answer and explanation, please - John?? or Anne Guedes??
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Actually, I'd prefer a sensible answer and explanation, please - John?? or Anne Guedes??
You will get the same...it happens in other countries..its happened in Portugal, get over it....
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Thank you very much, Mercedes, for the link to the original text ! I'll ask John to introduce the extracts in the reports, as of course they were quoted in Portuguese. It's a bit difficult to understand why this interview, precisely, is given such importance. Perhaps because it was made before the AG report, but anyhow it was only published after.
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Eduardo Dâmaso is a witness for both parties.
Can somebody explain how this can possibly be, or is it a mistake? There is no system of law I have ever heard of where someone can be a witness for BOTH parties.
I discovered it was possible, Chinagirl, but finally why not ?
The fact a witness takes the stand for the accusation (or the defence) doesn't mean s/he's "for" one party. The witness is not supposed to give opinions but say what s/he saw, heard, observed, did. Before the witness states, the lawyer of the party which called the witness tells the judge on which "lines" the witness will be interrogated (the document to which these references correspond isn't available). When the judge overrules sometimes, it's because the question goes beyond those lines.
In the case of the "double witness", he was first interrogated on the lines indicated by the accusation and then on the lines indicated by the lawyer of the defence who called him. Yesterday, one of the witnesses had been called by two lawyers of the defence. First GA's lawyer indicated the references of his lines and, after the witness had been cross examined, G&P's lawyer indicated which were her lines.
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Thank you very much Anne and John.
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Sorry... Forgot to "quote"
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Thank you very much, Mercedes, for the link to the original text ! I'll ask John to introduce the extracts in the reports, as of course they were quoted in Portuguese. It's a bit difficult to understand why this interview, precisely, is given such importance. Perhaps because it was made before the AG report, but anyhow it was only published after.
Personally I think they chose that one as they could have chosen any other. Isabel Duarte is doing a disastrous role, all presented as "proof" are merely personal opinions that are worthless.
Here I am waiting for next testimony 8**8:/: 8((()*/