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Offline Brietta

Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3420 on: July 04, 2014, 01:26:52 PM »

I doubt if the Portugal News was singled out to be reminded of Portuguese law; but does anyone bother?

Apparently not. 

The same article quotes the usual ‘sources’ and the Mirror has picked up on Portuguese TV station SIC which has broken news of further information regarding the Smith sighting. 

Interesting though as reference is being made to a new witness, and we do know that witnesses as well as arguidos were interviewed.

From the Portugal News

Following the questioning which took place in Faro this week, the Attorney-General’s office in Lisbon sent a statement to The Portugal News reiterating the country’s strict secrecy laws which govern ongoing investigations.

“In the context of judicial cooperation requested by the English authorities, the investigation has been pursued as planned according to the respective responsible parties.
We reaffirm that the content of the requests made by the British authorities is confidential and the Attorney General’s Office will not make any comments on the matter” the statement read.
http://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/Hot+Topics/More+Cases%2C+Trials+&+Inquests/Madeleine+McCann+Investigation

From the Mirror quoting SIC

British cops searching for Madeleine McCann are set to send sniffer dogs into a shop where a suspect was seen with a young child on the night the three-year-old vanished.
And detectives are prepared to fight for a Portuguese court order which would allow them to sweep the building for clues.

But Met officers in the Algarve hope the business owner will open his doors to their search dogs, rather than launch a long court battle.

There were a number of sightings of a man seen carrying a child towards the beach away from the holiday apartments were Madeleine’s family were staying in Praia da Luz in 2007.

Now detectives are looking at a particular building, believed to be along the same route, where a new witness has said they saw a suspect going inside with a girl.

It is understood the new information has been gathered by detectives working on Operation Grange, the UK probe into Madeleine’s disappearance.

The exact location and nature of the shop business has not been revealed.

But up to a dozen UK officers from Operation Grange are still in Portugal today , together with two sniffer dogs.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-cops-send-sniffer-3807955#ixzz36V8gJq7Z
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Gadfly

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Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3421 on: July 04, 2014, 06:08:47 PM »
From the Mirror quoting SIC

British cops searching for Madeleine McCann are set to send sniffer dogs into a shop where a suspect was seen with a young child on the night the three-year-old vanished.
And detectives are prepared to fight for a Portuguese court order which would allow them to sweep the building for clues.

But Met officers in the Algarve hope the business owner will open his doors to their search dogs, rather than launch a long court battle.

There were a number of sightings of a man seen carrying a child towards the beach away from the holiday apartments were Madeleine’s family were staying in Praia da Luz in 2007.

Now detectives are looking at a particular building, believed to be along the same route, where a new witness has said they saw a suspect going inside with a girl.

It is understood the new information has been gathered by detectives working on Operation Grange, the UK probe into Madeleine’s disappearance.

The exact location and nature of the shop business has not been revealed.

But up to a dozen UK officers from Operation Grange are still in Portugal today , together with two sniffer dogs.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-cops-send-sniffer-3807955#ixzz36V8gJq7Z
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Not sure how this has got out, but this is a bloody awful approach if it is coming from SY.  All of this type of thing should be done privately.  Only threaten/shame the owner with a story like this AFTER a refusal to cooperate.

The basic argument that SY should be making to leading politicians in Lisbon, the PJ and anyone who needs to be searched is... the sooner this is done, the sooner you can get on with your lives, and we'll be out of your hair.  That said, the Portuguese political authorities have to be praised for their cooperation, even if the PJ have made it clear they would rather sit through a year of root canal surgery rather than help SY solve the biggest case any of them will ever be involved in...

Offline Montclair

Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3422 on: July 05, 2014, 10:44:15 AM »
Interesting.


https://uk.news.yahoo.com/british-madeleine-mccann-police-used-abused-portuguese-officers-113025096.html#S1U22cN

It is very interesting indeed this opinion article by the former Interior Minister and current university professor, Rui Pereira. I don't believe that he ever thought that his article would be commented in the British press and Yahoo.

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3423 on: July 05, 2014, 12:10:03 PM »
Cash strapped Maddy suspects 'would have grassed'

THE gang accused of killing Madeleine McCann must be innocent because they would have snitched on each other to pocket the reward.

By Jerry Lawton / Published 5th July 2014

At least one of the "skint" men would have broken ranks, Portuguese police believe.

One was a heroin addict, the second a 16-year-old beggar and the third a driver who police believe organised thefts from apartments in Praia da Luz where the McCanns stayed.

Police and UK newspapers offered rewards totalling more than £2.5million for information that cracked the case. Yet in the seven years since no-one has come forward to claim the cash.

A Portuguese police source said it was "inconceivable that humble people with limited financial resources could keep quiet" for so long.

UK detectives believe Madeleine was killed during a bungled break-in at the McCanns' apartment in May 2007 by a gang of thieves who then buried her on wasteground near the scene.

The three suspects denied all knowledge of Madeleine's fate when quizzed by British detectives this week.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/387376/Cops-believe-they-are-innocent
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3424 on: July 05, 2014, 12:20:14 PM »
So, the burglary arguidos answered all questions put to them, despite their right to remain silent.

Nothing to hide then.

Who left questions unanswered? Oh yes that's right, Kate.

Bearing in mind then, that 'people can have their own opinions of us, but Madeleine is completely innocent in all of this.'

My opinion is, it's because she dunnit.

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Offline faithlilly

Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3425 on: July 05, 2014, 12:20:55 PM »
Cash strapped Maddy suspects 'would have grassed'

THE gang accused of killing Madeleine McCann must be innocent because they would have snitched on each other to pocket the reward.

By Jerry Lawton / Published 5th July 2014

At least one of the "skint" men would have broken ranks, Portuguese police believe.

One was a heroin addict, the second a 16-year-old beggar and the third a driver who police believe organised thefts from apartments in Praia da Luz where the McCanns stayed.

Police and UK newspapers offered rewards totalling more than £2.5million for information that cracked the case. Yet in the seven years since no-one has come forward to claim the cash.

A Portuguese police source said it was "inconceivable that humble people with limited financial resources could keep quiet" for so long.

UK detectives believe Madeleine was killed during a bungled break-in at the McCanns' apartment in May 2007 by a gang of thieves who then buried her on wasteground near the scene.

The three suspects denied all knowledge of Madeleine's fate when quizzed by British detectives this week.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/387376/Cops-believe-they-are-innocent

For once Jerry Lawton has a point.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Brietta

Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3426 on: July 05, 2014, 12:26:04 PM »
Cash strapped Maddy suspects 'would have grassed'

THE gang accused of killing Madeleine McCann must be innocent because they would have snitched on each other to pocket the reward.

By Jerry Lawton / Published 5th July 2014

At least one of the "skint" men would have broken ranks, Portuguese police believe.

One was a heroin addict, the second a 16-year-old beggar and the third a driver who police believe organised thefts from apartments in Praia da Luz where the McCanns stayed.

Police and UK newspapers offered rewards totalling more than £2.5million for information that cracked the case. Yet in the seven years since no-one has come forward to claim the cash.

A Portuguese police source said it was "inconceivable that humble people with limited financial resources could keep quiet" for so long.

UK detectives believe Madeleine was killed during a bungled break-in at the McCanns' apartment in May 2007 by a gang of thieves who then buried her on wasteground near the scene.

The three suspects denied all knowledge of Madeleine's fate when quizzed by British detectives this week.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/387376/Cops-believe-they-are-innocent

Omerta?? and the knowledge that you would be unable to enjoy spending one euro of your 'reward' either because you would have to incriminate yourself or because someone had topped you.
We don't have any idea of the type who may be associated with this crime, but these folk if they are criminals most certainly do.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Carana

Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3427 on: July 05, 2014, 01:03:57 PM »
Omerta?? and the knowledge that you would be unable to enjoy spending one euro of your 'reward' either because you would have to incriminate yourself or because someone had topped you.
We don't have any idea of the type who may be associated with this crime, but these folk if they are criminals most certainly do.

Omerta is certainly something I've wondered about. Few people would feel comfortable reporting their neighbours or associates unless total confidentiality could be assured.

Several people have contacted the police to report what may well have been genuine doubts, others may have  reacted spontaneously without actually any real grounds for any number of reasons, and yet others may have had less honourable intentions.

With the constant drip from PT sources and the subsequent uploading of files onto the Internet once the case was archived, people with genuine information or doubts may have been too scared to come forward. That would seem to be the advantage of Crimestoppers (which guarantees anonymity) and the appeals via Crimewatch.

It must be bad enough if people live far apart from each other or don't even know each other, but snitching on someone local may make people fear retaliation and / or ostracisation.

Then there is the issue of what happens if the person snitching was actually in an illegal situation or involved in unrelated illegal practices of some kind? Is there any provision in PT law for any kind of amnesty arrangement?

Offline Benice

Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3428 on: July 05, 2014, 01:28:49 PM »
The fact that Mrs Murat put up a table for the 'locals' to leave any information they might have - but who she thought would be too scared to approach the PJ with it -  spoke volumes about the Portuguese' 'Joe Bloggs' lack of trust in their own police force.   Or maybe it was just a certain element of the PJ - who knows.

IMO It could be that there were Portuguse witnesses who did have information but decided it was safer to simply not get involved.   
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

stephen25000

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Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3429 on: July 05, 2014, 01:32:58 PM »
The fact that Mrs Murat put up a table for the 'locals' to leave any information they might have - but who she thought would be too scared to approach the PJ with it -  spoke volumes about the Portuguese' 'Joe Bloggs' lack of trust in their own police force.   Or maybe it was just a certain element of the PJ - who knows.

IMO It could be that there were Portuguse witnesses who did have information but decided it was safer to simply not get involved.

I would also suggest, that due to the overwhelming and intrusive press presence in PDL, some people didn't come forward to give witness statements.

Offline Carana

Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3430 on: July 05, 2014, 02:13:36 PM »
The fact that Mrs Murat put up a table for the 'locals' to leave any information they might have - but who she thought would be too scared to approach the PJ with it -  spoke volumes about the Portuguese' 'Joe Bloggs' lack of trust in their own police force.   Or maybe it was just a certain element of the PJ - who knows.

IMO It could be that there were Portuguse witnesses who did have information but decided it was safer to simply not get involved.

Yes, it seems that Jenny's stand was a low-tech version of Crimestopppers, and an info point for any visitors who were due to go home and wouldn't have felt too keen on spending ages to get to and report to a police station. Bless her, she was trying to help.

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3431 on: July 05, 2014, 10:27:23 PM »
No........it was stated in the post I replied to that "SY had undoubtedly uncovered evidence that supports the abduction theory"

If so a death in the apartment is impossible......so why would SY make the comment?
I don't know why you people find this so difficult to understand.  Sy have uncovered evidence that fits with the scenario that Madeleine was removed from the apartment by one or more local men.  She may have been removed alive, she may have been killed prior to being removed.  Which part of this is not compatible with anything I have written or that SY have announced?

Gadfly

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Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3432 on: July 05, 2014, 11:03:09 PM »
These people are a bit daft when it comes to understand how both the investigative and prosecutory aspects of justice work.

They disregard the testimony of nine witnesses on the scene, a sighting, phone data.  Oh and the very fact that a little girl was missing.

They must think legal cases need CSI-esque levels of forensic corroboration.

And they must also believe that detectives should only accept evidence of an abduction if it was filmed like in the James Bulger case.

Truth be told, its their identity now.   I'd be interested to see how many of them remember little Madeleine when they come on here as opposed to just wishing to disrupt any discussion surrounding the new investigation / wanting to demoralise anyone with a basic degree of analysis to the extent that they just leave the discussions.
« Last Edit: July 05, 2014, 11:07:59 PM by Gadfly »

Offline Brietta

Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3433 on: July 06, 2014, 07:52:04 AM »
Just 875 yards from where Madeleine McCann disappeared – an abandoned well that police failed to search

    Ex-Scotland Yard detective urges police to search scrubland used by gypsies
    Hidden from the nearby road, the well drops 30ft down to 12ft-deep water
Mail on Sunday revealed a prime suspect may have worked at a water treatment plant just 220 yards from the well

By Andrew Young In Praia Da Luz, Portugal

Published: 22:01, 5 July 2014 | Updated: 01:55, 6 July 2014

A former Scotland Yard commander has urged British police to search an abandoned well just 875 yards from the apartment where Madeleine McCann vanished.

The Mail on Sunday has established that the uncovered shaft is on scrubland used as a campsite by Roma gipsies – and has been overlooked by Portuguese police.

Hidden from the nearby road, the well drops 30ft down to 12ft-deep water.

‘It is clearly known to locals and possibly to local criminals as a place to discard evidence from petty crime, such as handbags and other unwanted stolen items,’ said Roy Ramm, who served 27 years with the Metropolitan Police force and, as Commander of Specialist Operations, dealt with serious crime, from murder to rape and human trafficking.

He added: ‘Whoever abducted Madeleine knew the local streets, alleyways and scrubland and used that knowledge to avoid detection.’

Three years ago British police began a new investigation into the disappearance of three-year-old Madeleine – the daughter of Kate and Gerry McCann – who vanished from their holiday apartment in the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz in May 2007.
Met officers recently searched scrubland near the resort, but they have not examined the well.

Local authorities only allowed British police to check areas where ground anomalies picked up by aerial surveys might indicate a grave site.

Mr Ramm said: ‘If this had been a Yard-led inquiry from the outset, there is no doubt that the search would have been wider and more effective than that conducted by the Portuguese police.

'The well would have been searched thoroughly at the time, probably by using divers to get to the bottom of this very difficult and dangerous shaft.’

Mr Ramm added: ‘The Portuguese authorities have come a long way in letting the Yard conduct any inquiries, but they need now to take the final step and ensure the Yard team can conduct a really thorough search wherever they want. And in my experience that should include the well.’

Both Scotland Yard and the Portuguese police declined to discuss whether the well had featured in their investigations. Local residents said they could not recall ever seeing any police activity in its vicinity.

From where Madeleine was snatched, her abductor could reach the well by walking 400 yards through empty back streets, climbing a low metal gate and continuing the rest of the way over scrubland.

The Mail on Sunday revealed last month that a prime suspect may have worked at a water treatment plant just 220 yards from the well.

Heroin addict Euclides Monteiro, who died in 2009, was suspected of kidnapping Madeleine in a botched burglary after mobile phone records placed him near the McCanns’ apartment when she disappeared.

Last Tuesday, at the request of British officers, local police quizzed four Portuguese suspects – including Russian-born Sergey Malinka, 29, who was questioned as a witness in 2007. British police sat in on interviews, but sources suggest they led to no new developments.


The well is on land owned by two wealthy British property developers, who were unaware of its existence until The Mail on Sunday contacted them last week.

The plot includes a derelict farmhouse surrounded by rubble and  litter, including a pile of English paperback novels. An old mattress inside the tumbledown building  suggests someone once slept there.

One of the owners, who asked not to be identified, said: ‘If they want to search on the land we have got no problem with it. We are not going  to stand in anyone’s way, but no one has contacted us.’

The McCanns’ spokesman said yesterday: ‘Kate and Gerry continue to have full confidence in the work being carried out by the Met Police but will not comment on it.’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2681763/875-yards-Maddie-disappeared-abandoned-police-failed-search.html#ixzz36e7nYDH8



"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Eleanor

Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3434 on: July 06, 2014, 03:27:40 PM »

Wouldn't they need a diver to investigate a 30 feet well with 12 feet of water in the bottom?