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Offline Chris_Halkides

Re: A 12 point challenge for those who think Mitchell is guilty
« Reply #15 on: May 02, 2021, 03:00:04 PM »
These forensic professionals had obviously gave their expertise, on advice that all of which was found, was attributable to being much older than that of the 30th June. Of being through a washing cycle, of transferal and trace DNA.  What was important from then, was to determine why it was on the top Jodi was wearing - which leads us to the this t-shirt being borrowed or not? They already know with certainty that it had not been deposited there that evening. That science was good enough then to prove this and goes above and beyond proof of burden now.
It is a fundamental tenet of forensic DNA profiling that the mere presence of DNA does not give information on how or when it was deposited (one can describe a DNA profile as being degraded or not, but that is not the same thing).  Nor can I think of any presumptive or confirmatory test for a common body fluid that provides information on the date of the stain.

Offline William Wallace

Re: A 12 point challenge for those who think Mitchell is guilty
« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2021, 03:46:05 PM »
I'll start with Point No 1.  Firstly you say no trace was found but I thought Luke's DNA was present on Jodi's body and/or clothing - is this incorrect?

"The court heard forensic teams had spent 18 months examining hundreds of items, including clothing from Luke Mitchell, in a bid to find DNA clues as to the murderer's identity.
Tayside Police forensic scientist Susan Ure spoke about the work carried out comparing bloodstains found at the murder scene and other reference samples, taken from members of her family and Luke Mitchell.   "Ms Ure said a stain on a bra Jodi had been wearing showed DNA traces from more than two individuals - some of which matched parts of Luke Mitchell's genetic profile".

She said: "We could tell there was some male DNA present but we couldn't tell whether one or both of the second individuals were males."

Partial DNA = meaningless. Can be shared with half the population.

Offline William Wallace

Re: A 12 point challenge for those who think Mitchell is guilty
« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2021, 03:54:22 PM »

1) He did not defeat any laws - this is fallacy. Based on the pure assumption that LM walked into his house dripping with blood from head to foot - nonsense. Mitchells house was detached. You are making the pure assumption that he even went into his house before removing any outer clothing, footwear and so forth - And you are forgetting there was woodland and the River Esk. Also his house was not accessed until 4 days after this murder.
2) No they did not, this was a blatant lie put out firstly by SL herself. "the search party walked passed YW's whilst heading directly to the path" The search party did no walk passed YW's, the search party would have had to walk backwards to do so, completely in the opposite direction of this path.
3) Ask Ms Lean to refer to statements again, she has done before, where she states they did. Also everyone knew that Jodi had failed to meet with LM in Newbattle. They were originally heading out to organise a search only, and as with LM, to phone friends. Why did LM not phone any friends?  They were told after the call between LM and JuJ at 10.59pm that he was on this path, they headed to meet with him.
4) Absolute nonsense -  is this the same stocky man who confessed? who followed Jodi into the path? Be very careful WW, that is some allegation you are making there, as per? Stemming again from that clear cut information Ms Lean touts out?? - we have a witness who identified the stocky man 9 weeks after at an event??  DF must be shaking his head and rolling in laughter at Ms Leans book - she is forgetting he had access to all of this too? It is after all his work she has. Every single piece of information on this stocky man. But as per and on par with the witness who is claimed to have seen this bike at the V. Absolutely no verification - her power of suggestion works wonders with you, that is blatantly obvious.   
5) The search trio always said the same thing - That of arriving at the V, which was in complete contrast to LM who claimed they had walked around 40-60ft passed. Interestingly, when he drew the diagram for his FLO he marked the search party as being 40ft down, completely parallel to where Jodi lay on the other side. (His words) And she was 40ft approx down from the V.  Exactly at the same spot either side. Apart from this being a complete fabrication - pretty remarkable is it not? - That he also somehow claimed it was at the exact spot. Not for instance near to, exactly. And you wonder why the police were suspicious? Not only did none of search party state ever, they had walked some distance passed this V with LM, he knew all of them and his dog was at the exact same spot?
6) Was he not? Very strange if he were not as you say. Does Ms Lean say he was not cited? - perhaps best to ask her for clarification - she will have a list of the witness's whom testified in court.
7) It was not at the V and there is not a smidgen of evidence to say that it was - the employee gave and estimation of being close to. They were driving. One can not see this V - more blatant misrepresentation of the actual facts.
8) Ask him.
9) Proof?
10+10) We know JF told his gran on the Monday he had been on the path around 4.30pm. It was known at this stage that Jodi had left later than this - whether he knew this or not matters not to his grans advice. They did not continue to lie though, did they. And why is all the information missing upon their arrival home, Why are these witness's not mentioned? And when the  appeal did go out - they came forward. JF gave the story of this 4.30pm stuff of his arrival home and the clock. The bike, perhaps one could ask SM, he is a mechanic, dealing no doubt with scrap merchants. Does one pay or do they pay for scrap metal?? Perhaps there was a slump in the market at the time - you like google, find out if scrap merchants were asking for money at the time - far too much ambiguity. What does it say in their statements about this bike, we are not interested in multiple theories based on a 'who done it' book?
11) Gosh, that is very personal - What did he say in his statements of this very personal act? However it was not Jodi's top,  was it, it was her sisters. And yet again every area of science screams at us here - of those multiple millions of sperm heads and that abundance of semen they are in. But let us stick to those minute areas of staining, that is correct staining and old stains at that. And sticking being the operative word. What do you make of the female elements of DNA found in semen?
12) Really? - Let's think of eventually here? The police are aware that Jodi wore borrowed clothing from her sister. LM was first testimony to this. You are making an assumption here that she was asked about black t-shirts? When in reality she would of course be asked about clothing being borrowed, and if anything was missing. The trousers may have been an easy item to realise were missing, t-shirts not so much, more so, if one has more than one black one? What does it say in her statements? We, again are not interested in the snip bits - where are the Q&A?

You've swallowed the Daily Star and Sunday Sport hook, line and sinker. The final straw was when you admitted you are in the.... " he cleaned himself up in the river, threw away his bloodied clothes and then jogged back up the street in the nude camp". There really is no further response necessary to such laughable hogwash. What's next? Did he cover himself with leaves and branches as camouflage to walk back to the house?

Offline Angelo222

Re: A 12 point challenge for those who think Mitchell is guilty
« Reply #18 on: May 03, 2021, 04:06:20 PM »
It is natural that in a forum everyone will have their own opinions. I have noticed in here that a number of people frequently post comments which have never at any time been proven as FACT. The most common of which are that Mitchell was a fan of Marilyn Manson, a Satanist and had an interest in the Black Dahlia murder. I'm not asking people to say guilty or not guilty as that is just re-creating the wheel.

The challenge is to those who say Mitchell is guilty to give credible explanations for the 12 points below.


1. How did LM manage to defeat the laws of forensic science by leaving no trace at the scene or in his house?
2. Why did the search party walk right past a house Jodi had been found in previously when late home and not even knock the door before going up a pitch black path at 11pm?
3. Why were no calls to other people she could have been with made apart from to her Gran's before going up a pitch black path at 11pm?
4. Why was it claimed *****  never left the house after mid afternoon when he was identified outside by a witness later as a member of J's family, aka "Stocky Man"?
5. Why did the search party's statements all change later to say the same thing..........that Mitchell went straight to the V?
6. Why was AO never cited to Court when he was a key witness and in the house when Jodi left?
7. Why did JF and GD say they couldn't remember where they were when the moped was parked at the V?
8. Why did JF shave all his hair off himself after the murder?
9. Why did the moped disappear without trace so soon that the Police never even saw it?
10.Why did JF and GD initially say they were on the path at 415pm until Police proved it was after 5pm?
10.Why would someone pay money to have a moped disposed of very quickly? Nobody crushes vehicles for nothing, there's a charge.
11. Why was there DNA of SK's semen on Jodi's t-shirt?
12. Why did ***** say initially there were 2 T-shirts the same, but she didn't know where the other one was, then later claim there were several the same and not just 2?

Very easy.

1.  Mitchell got cleaned up after the murder them went out on purpose to get mucked up again in the woods. Leaving DNA at the scene of the murder is different from forensics failing to find any.

2. The search party went out looking for Jodi on the oath where she said she was going, it isn't rocket science.

3. Again, the search party went out to look for her on the path as that is where she said she was going.

4. Best ask him.

5. Statements tend to vary after the fact.

6. The police and the COPFS obviously felt he was a non significant witness. If the defence felt he was then they should have called him.

7. Maybe they went off for a smoke...who knows.

8. Getting a haircut isn't a crime.

9. It was probably illegal.

10. They weren't very good at telling the time.

11. Best ask Janine.

12. Who knows, these things happen.


None of which adds anything whatsoever to Mitchell being innocent and never will imho.
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Offline William Wallace

Re: A 12 point challenge for those who think Mitchell is guilty
« Reply #19 on: May 04, 2021, 01:04:58 AM »
Not going to answer my question then around SK? the sperm and so forth?

 Let's look at this, of how it most likely did happen:

As you state, probably around the 16th of July - that will be after the DNA testing, of SK's presence of it? Correct?

But lets think of what the police will have obtained first here, before and along with trying to ascertain if the clothing was borrowed, or if was Jodi's and so forth. Those actual DNA results, what they do show and of the advice asked and given on this from these forensic experts. Results first and expertise on them. 

What was actually there, which of course can not be changed, it matters not the insinuation and guess work around it, is very minute traces of 1) semen staining, 2) 2-3 sperm heads of which they managed to obtain a profile from.
3) some areas that may have been semen (far too weak to determine) and some areas that were in fact Jodi's own DNA (F)semen. (those elements of DNA in semen that are found in both M & F, which are only applied to being that of semen and from a M upon further testing.) The DNA here was Jodi's. However the book was well and truly written prior to Ms Lean, and to date having any expertise. Knowledge whatsoever around forensics and DNA. Using this (F) source of DNA as proof the forensics were botched??

These extremely weak traces where found in multiple areas - defunct sperm heads included, and again almost next to nil form ejaculation of millions upon millions of sperm heads from x amount of seminal fluid.

These forensic professionals had obviously gave their expertise, on advice that all of which was found, was attributable to being much older than that of the 30th June. Of being through a washing cycle, of transferal and trace DNA.  What was important from then, was to determine why it was on the top Jodi was wearing - which leads us to the this t-shirt being borrowed or not? They already know with certainty that it had not been deposited there that evening. That science was good enough then to prove this and goes above and beyond proof of burden now.

The t-shirt: Of trying to determine if it could have belonged to her sister, or if the top had been jumbled up with other washing and of how it got on the actual t-shirt itself, which was the prime source for transferal and trace DNA. We already know we are left with those stark facts - that ejaculation did not take place at the time of this murder or after.

Which only left one area - that of determining who this t-shirt belonged to, and it did belong to her sister. There was a t-shirt of hers missing. We are not interested in these wild theories and assumption of what amounts to no more than - one does not like to be proved wrong. One knows that ejaculation did not happen that evening, one must hold onto something though, we can't have SK getting away scot free here, can we? However?

The statements - Of the police asking about missing clothing, everyone it would seem, and/or of who bought the clothes in general - but above all Faithlilly, was this t-shirt produced in court? - to clarify if had belonged to JaJ? Did DF ask about it in his precognitions of the witness's? For these precognitions would have been done, these were important witness's - So rather than faffing around with snip bits from statements - What did these precognitions show?, and was this top produced as evidence to determine if it was JaJ's? - Knives and all else where produced in court, this top would have been too, stands to reason, does it not?

But again, one must go to extraordinary lengths - to prove nothing? 'We do not know if the top was borrowed, as look at these snip bits from statements, we don't know if it was rainwater transferal, as x,y and z, said this, but ultimately one does not believe in science anyway, unless it suits?

And of JaJ, the gran: What does this tell us? - That JaJ knew there was a path, she did not know exactly where this path was? But ultimately, without the twist - The search trio were heading to meet with LM who they knew was on the path. They were not simply just heading to this path. They were heading to meet with LM. Upon arriving at the junction of the paths, JaJ was unsure which one - to which AW, who knew the area, said it will be this one, the one that leads to Newbattle. Ms Lean has discussed this many times, of Lady Path and Roansdyke Path. One which leads into Newtongrange, the other Newbatttle. And obviously armed with one clear piece of information from LM - that Jodi had failed to turn up in Newbattle. The exact reason that AW wanted to search this path, thoroughly - not the woods, the path. Interestingly, these walkways, continue on the other side of Newbattle R'd. Many off shoots into numerous areas of the woodland, directly next to Newbattle Abbey Crescent? - where the Mitchells stayed. Children growing up next to woods, becoming familiar with every inch of them?

What do you mean "Ja J was unsure which path ??" Everyone that lives in Easthouses knows the path including all the dogs, everyone who lives there knows it and could find it and negotiate it with a black bin liner over their heads. Do you actually know anything about that area at all? It appears not. AW knew the area lol? There wasn't and still isn't one person in that area that doesn't know Roan's Dyke Path. Why would anyone think Mitchell would be coming along Lady Path. Honestly, I give up.
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Offline William Wallace

Re: A 12 point challenge for those who think Mitchell is guilty
« Reply #20 on: May 04, 2021, 01:13:54 AM »
Very easy.

1.  Mitchell got cleaned up after the murder them went out on purpose to get mucked up again in the woods. Leaving DNA at the scene of the murder is different from forensics failing to find any.

2. The search party went out looking for Jodi on the oath where she said she was going, it isn't rocket science.

3. Again, the search party went out to look for her on the path as that is where she said she was going.

4. Best ask him.

5. Statements tend to vary after the fact.

6. The police and the COPFS obviously felt he was a non significant witness. If the defence felt he was then they should have called him.

7. Maybe they went off for a smoke...who knows.

8. Getting a haircut isn't a crime.

9. It was probably illegal.

10. They weren't very good at telling the time.

11. Best ask Janine.

12. Who knows, these things happen.


None of which adds anything whatsoever to Mitchell being innocent and never will imho.

Yes he did the murder and cleaned up in the river. Chucked the clothes in and walked back up to the house in the nude?

Yes she said she was going to meet Mitchell, but they phoned no other friends or relatives first before going up a pitch black path. Are you pulling my chain? Nobody would do that. Even more so, they wouldn't walk right past a house she'd been found in before. Nobody would do that either.

Statements can vary yes, but they don't all vary to say the exact same thing.

AO wasn't a significant witness? You're definitely pulling my chain. He was in the house when J apparently went out. He knows who was in the house and who was not. Not a significant witness?

You haven't given credible explanations for any of the other points either I'm afraid.

Offline Chris_Halkides

Re: A 12 point challenge for those who think Mitchell is guilty
« Reply #21 on: May 04, 2021, 01:22:15 AM »
There is also the matter of Luke's dirty fingernails.  This suggests that he did not wash.

Offline Nicholas

Re: A 12 point challenge for those who think Mitchell is guilty
« Reply #22 on: May 04, 2021, 07:35:56 AM »
There is also the matter of Luke's dirty fingernails.  This suggests that he did not wash.

No it doesn’t
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Offline faithlilly

Re: A 12 point challenge for those who think Mitchell is guilty
« Reply #23 on: May 04, 2021, 10:09:47 AM »
There is also the matter of Luke's dirty fingernails.  This suggests that he did not wash.

He cleaned them in the brook/house, accounts vary, then got them all dirty again ‘playing’ with the lads afterwards.....or so goes the excuse. Likewise his hair, neck and ankles.

The vital question for me is what was Luke wearing at school? He says the same as that night when he was taken to the police station. Unfortunately the question doesn’t appear to have been asked of his friends or teachers.

It’s almost as if Lothian and Borders police didn’t want to know.
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Offline Parky41

Re: A 12 point challenge for those who think Mitchell is guilty
« Reply #24 on: May 04, 2021, 11:03:16 AM »
What do you mean "Ja J was unsure which path ??" Everyone that lives in Easthouses knows the path including all the dogs, everyone who lives there knows it and could find it and negotiate it with a black bin liner over their heads. Do you actually know anything about that area at all? It appears not. AW knew the area lol? There wasn't and still isn't one person in that area that doesn't know Roan's Dyke Path. Why would anyone think Mitchell would be coming along Lady Path. Honestly, I give up.

Did she stay in Easthouse's? - I thought she stayed in Mayfield? We know the gran stays next to Scots Caravans in the very bottom of Mayfield, she stayed with her gran, did she not? - this lie branded about for many years by Mitchells mother (JE podcast) of the search party leaving from the very top of Mayfield, where it seems Ms Lean stayed? We know the lie is used to slow the search trio down, whilst other lies are used to speed LM up? "he was fit and very fast behind a very fast dog" - We also have the added lies from Lean and Mitchells mum, which you yourself are spreading also. That this search trio had walked passed YW's whilst heading directly to this path. Yet we know that the search party would have had to walk backwards, completely in the opposite direction of this path to do so? And to add to this we have a further insinuation/lie - that AW was somewhat ancient and riddled with arthritis - This lady had been the village post lady, renowned it would seem for her fitness, of marching up and down the place. So there we have three blatant lies, complete misrepresentation of the actual facts of the case. And there is more. We know from the statements of AW and so forth that friends/family had been called, yet it is being touted, and insinuated that this is lies - as, Ms Lean says the record/log of these calls are not in the defence case files - Which in itself is on par with the call to Jodi's aunt that evening from AW, after she had seen the body of her grand-daughter. That Ms Lean insinuates that this call was also a lie as it is not in the defence case files - those phone logs.

The problem with this - with Ms Lean only having the defence case files. Of the evidence built up by DF to use in the case of LM V HMA. That some calls would naturally be missing, some not answered. - there was simply no need for them to be inclusive. It is however, due to the amount of lies and misinformation that has been touted out- Difficult to determine if they are or not in fact there? But what we do have to add in here, is of how the defence builds up their case - and of evidence used by the Crown, namely of prime witness's. That the defence does this by way of precognitions. Ms Lean touted for years that SK was only alibied by his girlfriend JaJ, when Ms Lean was pulled up on this, (2018) of this being a lie, that SK had in fact also been in the company of his father. That predictive proverbial buck, that we are more than familiar with was passed over - that she claimed the statement from SK's father was not in the defence papers, which again may be the very case. As why would it be? SK was not on trial, but again, it will be in his statements, and of those precognitions - The SCCRC let Ms Lean know about this statement (2014)? - which tells us one thing clearly, that Ms Lean had also put claim into the SCCRC that SK and JaJ may have been lying as that SK had no corroborated alibi. And of course he did.

Yet again, we are left with what Ms Lean actually does have, and why not everything will be in those defence case files. They are not hidden, they are not missing and above all these witness's are not lying. As with ending up on this path that evening - it is clear in those statements as to why they met with LM. As you point out yourself - why would anyone think Mitchell would be coming along Lady Path? What is evident from this is JaJ, must not have known the area, contrary to your opinion. What does is say further in those statements?, remember, we are talking about that time of around 11.20pm? We are not interested in this constant 5% of what amounts to nothing. That empty context.

And the elimination of people in this investigation - as with the statements from Mr Kelly, those phone records and other areas of this investigation - We know these people were investigated, we are given multiple areas of information, answers and reasoning behind this. But Ms Lean does not know how in depth this may have been. But Ms Lean will not be privy to everything as DF will not have included everything in the defence case he took forward of LM V HMA. Why on earth would he start talking about their alibi's and so forth - to highlight to the Jury, the opposite of what he was trying to use, as way of another/s perhaps being responsible other than LM? Clever man, sticking to the DNA on the top, and the boys on the bike being at the path, the lies they told - he did not want to go into the realms of other areas - that he knew the prosecution would have had firmly in their hands.

What are we left with. Lots of assumption, hypothetical scenarios, masses of misinformation touted out in the year leading up to "No Smoke" being written. Then the book with the same as above, and with that same proviso? of having "all" knowledge of this case. But she did not have, and the book is massively flawed. Then we have the POA and the submission to the SCCRC with lots of the above also inclusive?, and lots of correction given on this back to Ms Lean. Then Ms Lean still touted out lots of misinformation did she not? on the basis of what she did not have, she was free to make many claims and assumptions around not having those calls, statements, and all of the work done in the investigation by the police. Then another book has been written, podcasts and so forth - on the basis of not having all of the evidence, again laden with a massive amount of mis-information? The book was probably half written before the submission came back from the SCCRC? 

And ultimately - all of those questions needing answered, that if the police, DF and so forth had did their job properly? (and there you really do have it, those Jack of all trades and master of none) - we would not be left with all of these 'same' question 18yrs later - And that is actually the biggest lot of ?? ever. These are Ms Lean questions. Based around her manipulation of the facts in this case. Based around her claimed missing statements, phone records and so forth. They hold absolutely no substance. - There are of course lots of questions to be answered around the information Ms Lean has touted out is there not?

All of those get out clauses - that 95% of missing information. The actual context of all and everything. And of Chris Haldikes, and "Evidence is Evidence" - I could not agree more. The evidence against LM is in abundance. And that is why he stood trial. The only shoddy work that would have been done in this case - is if the Police and prosecution services were to turn have turned a blind eye, as Ms Lean and co does - That "half a mars bar" situ. And this is reason why LM has failed at every avenue - it is not because of some major cover up, these mad conspiracy theories. And they are mad - we have proof in abundance of how mad they are - those who follow Ms Lean blindly, of the possibility that Jodi Jones was killed elsewhere, of stocky man being SK no it's [Name removed], of JF being LM, of MK being LM, Of the aunt having high up connections the list is endless. -She does a startling Job does she not? Leading those seeking Fools Gold - there are no riches in any of what Ms Lean touts out - This self proclaimed know it all?

And we are still waiting - where is the proof in anything that LM claimed? Outwith those 15-20 mins 6pm-6.20pm and 7.30pm until 9pm?

Every other claim has always been shown - beyond reasonable doubt - that LM and co were lying
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Offline Nicholas

Re: A 12 point challenge for those who think Mitchell is guilty
« Reply #25 on: May 04, 2021, 11:19:17 AM »
Did she stay in Easthouse's? - I thought she stayed in Mayfield? We know the gran stays next to Scots Caravans in the very bottom of Mayfield, she stayed with her gran, did she not? - this lie branded about for many years by Mitchells mother (JE podcast) of the search party leaving from the very top of Mayfield, where it seems Ms Lean stayed? We know the lie is used to slow the search trio down, whilst other lies are used to speed LM up? "he was fit and very fast behind a very fast dog"

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Offline Nicholas

Re: A 12 point challenge for those who think Mitchell is guilty
« Reply #26 on: May 04, 2021, 11:21:03 AM »
We also have the added lies from Lean and Mitchells mum, which you yourself are spreading also. That this search trio had walked passed YW's whilst heading directly to this path. Yet we know that the search party would have had to walk backwards, completely in the opposite direction of this path to do so?

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Offline Nicholas

Re: A 12 point challenge for those who think Mitchell is guilty
« Reply #27 on: May 04, 2021, 11:22:22 AM »
And to add to this we have a further insinuation/lie - that AW was somewhat ancient and riddled with arthritis - This lady had been the village post lady, renowned it would seem for her fitness, of marching up and down the place.

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Offline Nicholas

Re: A 12 point challenge for those who think Mitchell is guilty
« Reply #28 on: May 04, 2021, 11:23:14 AM »

So there we have three blatant lies, complete misrepresentation of the actual facts of the case.

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Offline Nicholas

Re: A 12 point challenge for those who think Mitchell is guilty
« Reply #29 on: May 04, 2021, 11:27:34 AM »
And there is more. We know from the statements of AW and so forth that friends/family had been called, yet it is being touted, and insinuated that this is lies - as, Ms Lean says the record/log of these calls are not in the defence case files - Which in itself is on par with the call to Jodi's aunt that evening from AW, after she had seen the body of her grand-daughter. That Ms Lean insinuates that this call was also a lie as it is not in the defence case files - those phone logs.

The problem with this - with Ms Lean only having the defence case files. Of the evidence built up by DF to use in the case of LM V HMA. That some calls would naturally be missing, some not answered. - there was simply no need for them to be inclusive. It is however, due to the amount of lies and misinformation that has been touted out- Difficult to determine if they are or not in fact there? But what we do have to add in here, is of how the defence builds up their case - and of evidence used by the Crown, namely of prime witness's. That the defence does this by way of precognitions. Ms Lean touted for years that SK was only alibied by his girlfriend JaJ, when Ms Lean was pulled up on this, (2018) of this being a lie, that SK had in fact also been in the company of his father. That predictive proverbial buck, that we are more than familiar with was passed over - that she claimed the statement from SK's father was not in the defence papers, which again may be the very case. As why would it be? SK was not on trial, but again, it will be in his statements, and of those precognitions - The SCCRC let Ms Lean know about this statement (2014)? - which tells us one thing clearly, that Ms Lean had also put claim into the SCCRC that SK and JaJ may have been lying as that SK had no corroborated alibi. And of course he did.

and SK’s blood being on Jodi’s T-shirt

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