The Earlier Reports Made about the case

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Four security guards escorted Vincent Tabak into the dock of courtroom six at Bristol Crown Court for the pre-trial hearing - his first court appearance in person after his plea to Guilty of Manslaughter had been entered. This hearing had originally been scheduled for July.

The greying 33-year-old defendant wore glasses, a white shirt, blue tie and dark suit for the 30-minute hearing before Judge Martin Picton. The Detective Chief Inspector who led the Avon and Somerset investigation, Phil Jones, sat behind the barristers and immediately in front of the defendant. Vincent Tabak, who sat hunched in the dock, spoke only once. The clerk asked him: “Are you Vincent Tabak?” He replied: “Yes I am.” He was charged with unlawfully killing Joanna Yeates between 16th and 19th December 2010.

Prosecutor Nigel Lickley QC told the court that the trial would include what he called a “digital presentation”, and a site visit by jurors, who would walk the part of the route that Joanna is alleged to have taken on her last Friday evening from the Hophouse pub in Clifton to 44 Canynge Road. He evidently raised 11 points with the defence team, but none of these was disputed.

The defence also agreed to accept the alleged fibre match unconditionally.

Judge Picton had been expecting to see an enhanced defence statement on 19th September 2011. He made an order for it to be submitted by Vincent Tabak’s legal team by 4 p.m. on 23rd September 2011.

This could be one of the occasions when Mr Lickley made a failed application to talk about the porn or the prostitutes. This is believed to be the first time Joanna's parents set eyes on Vincent Tabak in person.

Why would Mr and Mrs Yeates be there ??  It seems wrong (IMO)... It's a pre trial hearing, anything that is not admissible would probably be argued..

If this was when the porn was introduced, then Mr and Mrs Yeates would have heard all about it...  That in itself seems wrong... If something hasn't been proven how can the Yeates family hear about it....??

The prosecution could have said anything at a pre-trial hearing... doesn't make it true....

I thought the whole point of a pre- trial was to argue out what would and would not be admissible in court... whether witness's were incompetent etc...

Mr and Mrs Yeates should NOT have been there....  Is that even legal???

The only reason I can see the Prosecution having Mr and Mrs Yeates there was to convince them that Dr Vincent Tabak was indeed the person who killed there daughter, because they heard about the Porn...

Who's to say that they didn't mention the child porn at this time.... which of course would be inadmissible... but would put into the minds of the Yeates that Dr Vincent Tabak was the monster that killed their lovely daughter....

I thought Pre-Trial hearings went on behind closed doors.... And only the Defendant was present....

leonora... How many times have they flouted the law?  Because virtually everything seems to be irregular in this case! (IMO)

[Leonora]

Why would Mr and Mrs Yeates be there ??  It seems wrong (IMO)... It's a pre trial hearing, anything that is not admissible would probably be argued..

If this was when the porn was introduced, then Mr and Mrs Yeates would have heard all about it...  That in itself seems wrong... If something hasn't been proven how can the Yeates family hear about it....??

The prosecution could have said anything at a pre-trial hearing... doesn't make it true....

I thought the whole point of a pre- trial was to argue out what would and would not be admissible in court... whether witness's were incompetent etc...

Mr and Mrs Yeates should NOT have been there....  Is that even legal???

The only reason I can see the Prosecution having Mr and Mrs Yeates there was to convince them that Dr Vincent Tabak was indeed the person who killed there daughter, because they heard about the Porn...

Who's to say that they didn't mention the child porn at this time.... which of course would be inadmissible... but would put into the minds of the Yeates that Dr Vincent Tabak was the monster that killed their lovely daughter....

I thought Pre-Trial hearings went on behind closed doors.... And only the Defendant was present....

leonora... How many times have they flouted the law?  Because virtually everything seems to be irregular in this case! (IMO)

Whoa, slow down there! The only illegal act as far as I know was denying Vincent Tabak any visitors until after Peter Brotherton had secured those conversations, which were presumably tape-recorded without the prisoner's knowledge. There were six preliminary hearings, all of them public. This is normal practice. Closed hearings are the exception.

However, the Old Bailey plea & case management hearing was closed to the members of the public who most wished to attend, namely those from Bristol. Holding it in London meant that the Bristol journalists left coverage to the national press, who wouldn't have noticed whether it was Vincent Tabak or an imposter on the video screens. It was a big press event because of the plea, so Mr & Mrs Yeates were escorted all the way to London for the occasion. It is very likely that the porn & prostitutes were fed to the press and Joanna's parents on 5 May too.

20th September was also meant to be a big press event, when Vincent Tabak's defence handed over his "enhanced statement" to the Crown. So Mr & Mrs Yeates also had to be escorted from Hampshire to Bristol. But it became a non-event because VT had not signed the statement - either because he was reluctant to go along with the conspiracy, or because of a disagreement about terms between Mr Clegg and Mr Lickley.

It is unlikely that the porn or prostitutes raised their heads again at the 20th September hearing, as the future jury members might have got to hear about them.

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What is it with "ColdPlay" ???  Now I wouldn't have even thought anything about it , But we have this video from 13th October 2011 which mentions "ColdPlay" and we have the Express Article That should have been about The Yeates , but It talks about "ColdPlay", with a picture of Joanna Yeates Parents there.. slap bang in the middle of the article???

They found many of Miss Yeates personal possessions as they were left last December,in the living room there was still Christmas tinsel up. There was er, some unopened crackers in a box. Some wrapping paper with snow men on.
Work files with the name Jo Yeates, handwritten on the spine. DVD's from the comedy series Red Dwarf, stickers from the rock band Cold Play

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-15298038/trial-jury-shown-jo-yeates-flat


Here's the article from the express in case it walks... I have also attached a screenshot of The Page..

COLDPLAY have teamed up with celebrated photographer-turned-filmmaker ANTON CORBIJN to turn an upcoming Spanish concert into a global event.

By JAME MURRAY AND HILARY DOUGLAS
PUBLISHED: 00:00, Sun, Jan 16, 2011

The group will livestream a 26 October (11) concert from Madrid on YouTube.com and they've selected Corbijn to direct the show as part of the online series American Express Unstaged.

The concert will take place two days after the band releases its latest album Mylo Xyloto.

Frontman Chris Martin quips, "Until we can come to a video as good as Single Ladies by Beyonce, we have to rely on just the meat and vegetables of playing songs live, and this is just a nice way of doing it for a few more people at once."

Corbijn, who is best known for his work with Joy Division and Depeche Mode, has directed several Coldplay videos.

The only thing that Coldplay, could have to do with something is a song they wrote called Yellow... yellow seems to be important in this case ..(IMO)

"Yellow" is a song by British rock band Coldplay. The band wrote the song and co-produced it with British record producer Ken Nelson for their debut album, Parachutes (2000). The song's lyrics are a reference to the band's lead singer Chris Martin's unrequited love.

Going back to when i said that there was something handed in by the public.... Was it a poem with Jo's name on it???

The Police originally believed she was stalked and there has always been the possibility that someone was interested in her, even though she was with Greg...

So is the "Coldplay" reference to a person who was possibly stalking Joanna Yeates ??

ANTON CORBIJN :

Anton Johannes Gerrit Corbijn van Willenswaard is a Dutch photographer, music video director, and film director.

Nearly brings me full circle.... Did The Sobbing Girl, mention something about a Dutchman?? Because I'm sure there is more than 1 Dutchman in Bristol... Or was it there little joke to themselves ??

But I think the article may be referring to 3 songs...

Coldplays.... "Viva La Viva"..

Depeche Modes ..... Enjoy the silence

And Beyonce  "All The Single Ladies"..

If these songs have meaning... I'm going into the realms of something, that I'm not sure of.....

ANTON CORBIJN:  "Coldplay" Viva la Viva"...  Has a King surveying kingdom

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kVxpsi1XQ4&list=PLFgquLnL59anqRb7APKdhdfvG-aLfcQT3&index=10

ANTON CORBIJN; "Depeche Modes video. is based on "The Little Prince"..

tps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WlNLFBsoso

ANTON CORBIJN: has photographed Beyonce .. But The Article refers to "All The Single ladies" (should have put a ring on it)..

And not forgetting "Joy Division"... The film directed by Anton Corbijin: "Control"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c2_B_cWK_M


What is it all saying???

Normally when something like a "Murder" happens , you get them all creeping out of the woodwork...

But I noticed that NO EX BOYFRIENDS of Joanna Yeates came out....  And her mum does say in a videoed intervieew that she had a good relationship with all her EX's..

So.. Is this all referring to an Ex... An Ex in a powerful position... ??

I know we shouldn't speculate.. but... all of the imagery and all of the media articles must mean something (IMO)... Why on earth would you put a "ColdPlay Article with The Greiving Parents Picture of Joanna Yeates ???

And someone losing control....

I believe there are always stories within stories... Is This what the media are saying????

Someone lost control of Joanna Yeates ... Couldn't have her anymore... And she gave them the Kiss Off??

There are so many articles of how Jo and Greg were perfect for each other... Maybe that was there to wind someone up... I don't know ... But I do know (IMO)... That the Express Article is there for a purpose....  whether you all agree with me or not....!


So which King lost his Kingdom???

Which King lost Control??

Which King wouldn't commit to Joanna Yeates ?????  Oh yes... lets not forget "The Stickers"!!




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WlNLFBsoso

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leonora.... I remember you wondering when when the Search And Rescue Team were called out... I have found this info on there web page ...

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24 / 12
2010

40 ASC Log No. 0032 (20/12/10). 22/23/24 December 2010. The search and technical rescue team were called to assist the police with an ongoing search for a missing female in Clifton, Bristol. The persons house was very close to the Avon Gorge, so a thorough search of the woods, cliffs and other steep ground was required. The search and rescue team was on call for 72 hours, but unfortunately nothing of significance was found. The search was hampered by heavy snow fall and extremely low temperatures. Ice axes were issued to team members as a safety precaution. The team was stood down on 24th December at 14:00.

So it looks like they were looking straight away..... It states the 20th December 2010 that the request was logged with them... That is the same day as Greg Reardon reported Joanna Yeates "Missing" What were they waiting for to respond 2 days later ???? What did they know ???

What I also do not understand, is why they were told to stand down at 2:00pm on the 24th December 2010??

There seems no logical explanation for this.... (IMO)  Did they find Joanna Yeates before the 25th December 2010.. ?? I have always thought that this is a possibility...


There News feed has nothing on the case ......


http://www.assar.org.uk/call-outs/page/9/

http://www.assar.org.uk/as-sar-operation-braid/

http://www.assar.org.uk/news/page/13/

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leonora.... I remember you wondering when when the Search And Rescue Team were called out... I have found this info on there web page ...

So it looks like they were looking straight away..... It states the 20th December 2010 that the request was logged with them... That is the same day as Greg Reardon reported Joanna Yeates "Missing" What were they waiting for to respond 2 days later ???? What did they know ???

What I also do not understand, is why they were told to stand down at 2:00pm on the 24th December 2010??

There seems no logical explanation for this.... (IMO)  Did they find Joanna Yeates before the 25th December 2010.. ?? I have always thought that this is a possibility...


There News feed has nothing on the case ......


http://www.assar.org.uk/call-outs/page/9/

http://www.assar.org.uk/as-sar-operation-braid/

http://www.assar.org.uk/news/page/13/

I expect they were knackered and if they hadn’t found anything in the area allocated there would be little point continuing.

AH

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Does anyone remember the telegraph I believe ...doing a reconstruction with a model walking home like Joanna Yeates?? (The images say ... Re-enactment)

I have found these images : They have the woman walking past 37 Canygne Road in the opposite direction Joanna Yeates would have gone ...

Unless... these are saying she left the flat???



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While i am at it... Does anyone know the name of this Police Officer ??

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How many cars needed Jump starting on Canygne Road that evening?

Most left the gathering between 11pm and midnight. A man helping to jump-start a woman’s car outside her flat at around 8pm was reported, but is not believed to be significant.

 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1342427/Joanna-Yeates-murder-Landlord-Chris-Jefferies-hold-key.html#ixzz4u4LrlQwV

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11:10, 23 December 2010

‘Then when I arrived home it was obvious our cat had been left on his own and was going mad. I waited up for her until about midnight and then when she didn’t return I started to get really worried.
‘I went through her bag, which she had left on the table and found it had all the stuff she would need to take with her, things like her purse and her keys.
‘I called the police and reported her missing and also phoned her parents.

No where here does Greg mention finding her phone.... But waiting up till midnight.... Did he find her phone or not??

We then have 3 hours of wondering where she is..... without doing anything...

Well... if her purse and keys were in her bag.. she didn't necessarily need them.... she was aware that Greg was due back on the Sunday, so he would let her in...

I don't know what it was that he found.. but he is describing nothing too unusual... She must have had her phone... maybe she didn't answer it....

He came back from a weekend away... she wasn't there... her clothes had changed... He doesn't even mention the coat she wore in this article ... It is the Police who mention the coat....

He doesn't mention calling the friends that she was last in contact with... Or CJ...


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1340586/Boyfriend-missing-architect-Jo-Yeates-sobs-I-want-Christmas.html

[mrswah]

This has just occurred to me:

We were always told in newspaper reports that Joanna had come home, and drunk a few sips of cider from one of the bottles she had bought in Bargain Booze on Friday 17th December 2010.

Later, Greg said that he finished the bottle on his return from Sheffield.

Therefore, Greg must have finished the bottle before the police became involved , and before Greg realised that Joanna's absence was sinister.

Therefore, how can anyone know for sure that Joanna had opened the bottle of cider?  How can we know that it was her who drank from the bottle?  Was the bottle tested for DNA?  Did Greg merely assume that it was Joanna who had drunk from it?

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This has just occurred to me:

We were always told in newspaper reports that Joanna had come home, and drunk a few sips of cider from one of the bottles she had bought in Bargain Booze on Friday 17th December 2010.

Later, Greg said that he finished the bottle on his return from Sheffield.

Therefore, Greg must have finished the bottle before the police became involved , and before Greg realised that Joanna's absence was sinister.

Therefore, how can anyone know for sure that Joanna had opened the bottle of cider?  How can we know that it was her who drank from the bottle?  Was the bottle tested for DNA?  Did Greg merely assume that it was Joanna who had drunk from it?

I agree mrswah... They should have tested it... But by saying Greg drunk from the bottle they are implying that the DNA on it would be useless...

Originally she had drunk, or someone else had drunk half of this bottle and when it came to court it becomes a sip...


by Anorak | 29th, December 2010

The Sun (front page): “DID JO KNOW HER KILLER?”

Dunno. The Sun says she bough two bottle of cider and a pizza before returning home. One bottle had been opened and half of it drunk. The pizza is missing.

Now why did the Police release this important piece of Evidence ???  I found it most odd... They divulge so much about the case, so early on in the investigation...

By the time we go to trial.. they make it appear that she had a wee sip and didn't have time to drink it, because they are trying to make it appear that she wasn't in the Flat long enough to have drunk any more than that....(IMO)

But what they fail in that exercise as you have pointed out mrswah, is that it might not have been Joanna Yeates who actually opened the cider or drank the cider...

It's like covering their tracks........ (IMO) Because everything in that Flat at that time was potential evidence...

What it makes me think... Is someone within the Police was leaking information to force whoever was in charge to explain away what information that had been given to the media.... Maybe we would never have heard about the Cider being drunk at trial if it hadn't come out in the media beforehand..

DCI Phil Jones says... From The Judge Rinder program at 17:34

There were two bottles of cider, one of which had been opened and a swig had been taken.

Sip ?? Swig?? Half drunk??

They all make us think something completely different...   And these 3 descriptions are about time... How much time had passed whilst she was in her flat....

I cannot find when it first said that Greg had drunk out of the bottle of cider, i don't know the date of the report in the media...

These events below are the dates of important things taking place and the dates they are reported in the media......

28th December.. Greg is a witness not a suspect
29th December.. Cider being drunk is revealed
29th December.. CJ rings the Police
29th December.. Blue Door is removed
29th December.. Access panel is removed
29th December.. CCTV Footage of her in Bargain Booze is released
29th December.. New Pictures released, Birthday/ And with Bernard/And the spider picture
29th December.. Police seize Greg Reardons mobile phone and computer
29th December.. First time Temple mead station is mentioned./Police at Kenneth Steele House
29th December...Police say the Joanna Yeates may have known her killer
29th December.. It's revealed how many bottles of Cider she purchased



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-12089150
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/joanna-yeates-murder-investigation-boyfriend-271924
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8230065/Joanna-Yeates-murder-timeline.html
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4htq8y

[mrswah]

Yes, it seems to me that  Joanna having drunk some of the cider would imply that she was not at home for long enough to finish it, but, more importantly,  that she did get home.  This is what, IMO, the police wanted us all to think.

However, this cannot be proved. If Greg did find an open bottle and decided to finish it, as he said, he probably did so well before Joanna's parents arrived, so Greg would have been the only person to have seen this partially drunk bottle. I am NOT suggesting that Greg lied, but I would say that unless traces of both Joanna's and Greg's saliva (and nobody else's)were found on the bottle, we cannot be sure who drank the cider. 

Was the bottle ever tested? We have never heard that it was.

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Continuing with reports and what was revealed at what time ...

30th December..  CJ arrested
30th December... Screams heard
30th December... The amounts of money homes cost is mentioned
30th December... CJ's car is seized
30th December... Reports there is 6 Flats in Canygne Road
30th December ...The basement Flat is described as Communal
30th December.. The Party is described as being in a Flat Opposite Joanna Yeates
30th December..  Reported that a man helped jump start a womans car
30th December... Reported that two high-pitched noises could be connected and give a possible time of her attack
30th December.... Police ask party goer to describe what they were wearing??
30th December ... Reports that Police are ripping up Floor Boards
30th December... Geoffrey Hardyman is first mentioned

31st December.. Peter Stanley is first mentioned
31st December.. Peter Stanley is interviewed
31st December.. Peter Stanleys car is driven away
31st December.. Forensics are taken from Peter Stanleys house
31st December.. Peter Stanley tells us he helped start Joanna Yeates car on the night she vanished
31st December.. Police say Peter Stanley is a witness!
31st December.. Glenis Caruthers Case is mentioned
31st December.. reports that Inquiries had spread to the building next door
31st December.. Peter Stanley mention CJ starting the car
31st December.. We see Peter Stanleys Jeep
31st December.. Officer remove items from Peter Stanleys aparment but stress he's a witness
31st December... Forensics had stripped both of the Flats but were still searching the building
31st December... Jumps Leads are mentioned
31st December... Neighbours describe CJ as a pillar of society
31st December.. Peter Stanley is Interviewed as a potential witness
31st December.. Police say no Forensic examination has been carried out at Peter Stanleys...

Why would the Police remove Forensic items from Peter Stanleys if they insist he is a witness... What would be in Peter Stanleys house and 44, Canygne Road that connects the 2 properties??

The only thing that the two properties would have in common (IMO).. Is the Post I can't think of anything else that they would have in common for The Police to take items away and still insist that he is a witness and they didn't Forensically examine his house..

The only other thing they took was Peter Stanleys Car.. Apparently he took it to the Police Station and he was brought back in an unmarked Police Car...  What where they looking for with Peter Stanleys Car??




http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343233/Joanna-Yeates-murder-Landlord-Chris-Jefferies-Prof-Strange-quizzed-police.html
https://www.channel4.com/news/joanna-yeates-murder-landlord-still-being-questioned
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1342427/Joanna-Yeates-murder-Landlord-Chris-Jefferies-hold-key.html
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/uk/chris-jefferies-from-pillar-of-the-community-to-suspect-in-joanna-yeates-murder-inquiry-28579110.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-12097577

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Was the bottle ever tested? We have never heard that it was.

It should have been tested mrswah... But anything of importance was left out of this case.... (IMO)..

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Can someone tell me the Time it was first reported on the news that Joanna Yeates had been found....
I know it's the 25th December 2010...

But I first thought that it was around 13:00 hrs that sky news did their report.... Was there an earlier report??


Someone confirm please ... I don't want newspaper reports ... I need it to be when it was reported on the TV News.. thank you... It could be significant..