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UK and North American politics. => A look at British politics in the light of the decision to leave the EU. => Topic started by: stephen25000 on July 19, 2016, 01:35:29 PM
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As I mentioned the other day there are legal cases being submitted to prevent the P.M. invoking Article 50 by herself, or for that matter any other P.M.
As stated on Sky News, the cases will go the Supreme Court in October.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/19/government-awaits-first-legal-opposition-to-brexit-in-high-court
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7 cases have been submitted in relation to article 50 .
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7 cases have been submitted in relation to article 50 .
Have they been submitted by business people?
Or perhaps by people anxious to get the Brexit vote overturned ... as they were "sold" lies?
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You appear to be under some illusion that Article 50 might not be invoked?
Parliament is the highest authority in the land and can change the law if need be. Some people never know when to quit!!
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You appear to be under some illusion that Article 50 might not be invoked?
Parliament is the highest authority in the land and can change the law if need be. Some people never know when to quit!!
Well, it is very unlikely to be invoked this year. Perhaps sometime in 2017, but there will probable be a debate and vote in the HOC first. And that could take a while.
Then there is an (extendible) two year period of negotiation.
French and German elections in 2017.
Listening to political rhetoric, I wouldn't be too confident that you are going to get rid of all of us immigrants just yet either.
The ECHR will still influence UK law.
My prediction - there will be changes in the uk and in Europe but not very significant. And the 'Brexiteers' may be a bit disappointed.
If a week is a long time in politics - three years is eternity. 8(0(*
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Well, it is very unlikely to be invoked this year. Perhaps sometime in 2017, but there will probable be a debate and vote in the HOC first. And that could take a while.
Then there is an (extendible) two year period of negotiation.
French and German elections in 2017.
Listening to political rhetoric, I wouldn't be too confident that you are going to get rid of all of us immigrants just yet either.
The ECHR will still influence UK law.
My prediction - there will be changes in the uk and in Europe but not very significant. And the 'Brexiteers' may be a bit disappointed.
If a week is a long time in politics - three years is eternity. 8(0(*
Theresa did say by the end of the year but I predict it will happen sooner as she comes to terms with what's really involved. As far as the ECHR is concerned, Theresa has already said she wants to leave it.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/25/uk-must-leave-european-convention-on-human-rights-theresa-may-eu-referendum
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Theresa did say by the end of the year but I predict it will happen sooner as she comes to terms with what's really involved.
You should keep an eye out on the court cases Angelo, which will end up in the Supreme Court in December. 8(0(*
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You should keep an eye out on the court cases Angelo, which will end up in the Supreme Court in December. 8(0(*
Irrelevant. No British Court can decide this.
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...and then we have this from a member of Ukip.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ukip-councillor-says-its-time-8457502
' Ukip councillor says it's 'time to start killing these people' until Article 50 is invoked and Britain leaves EU '
Terry Nathan is being probed by police over angry messages he posted on Brexit facebook page threatening 'remainers' with a 'bullet'
SWNSUKIP councillor Terry NathanUkip councillor Terry Nathan is facing a police probe
Police are probing comments made by a Ukip Councillor who posted a message on a Brexit facebook page saying it was time to “start killing people” until Article 50 is invoked - just a month after the murder of Jo Cox.
Terry Nathan, 62, posted the sinister messages threatening "remainers" with a "bullet".
The Bromley councillor posted angry messages on a post on a Facebook page called Get Britain Out in response to a news story over delays in invoking Article 50 to trigger Britain’s formal withdrawal from the EU.
He posted: “Time to start killing these people till article 50 is invoked, perhaps remainers will get the message then.”
When another user called for “less of the threats”, he replied: “Not threatening anyone, no need for threats just a bullet.”
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Irrelevant. No British Court can decide this.
Do you even know what the court cases are about ?
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Do you even know what the court cases are about ?
A bunch of tossers basically. The majority have spoken so there isn't a cat in hells chance of stopping it now. 8@??)(
Article 50 will be invoked and there isn't a God-damn thing you or anyone else can do about it so get over it and move on! No wonder there is a backlog in the courts if they allow this nonsense to take up valuable court time.
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A bunch of tossers basically.
Article 50 will be invoked and there isn't a God-damn thing you or anyone else can do about it so get over it and move on!
i.e. You haven't got a clue.
As to members of the Terrence Ossers Club, Terry Nathan of Ukip is a prime member, wouldn't you agree Angelo.
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I will remind you of your comments nearer Christmas! As for tossers, they're everywhere in Parliament.
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I will remind you of your comments nearer Christmas! As for tossers, they're everywhere in Parliament.
We shall see Angelo.
As I will remind you about the 2 years minimum period needed to leave the EU, plus of course ratification. 8(*(
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If we drag our heels, will the EU just get vindictive & invoke article 7?
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We shall see Angelo.
As I will remind you about the 2 years minimum period needed to leave the EU, plus of course ratification. 8(*(
The work has begun already, a group of mischief makers won't stop brexit.
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If we drag our heels, will the EU just get vindictive & invoke article 7?
I would not rule that out.
For reference purposes.........
What is Article 7?
Article 7 of the Lisbon Treaty was designed to uphold core the EU's core values such as democracy, freedom, human rights and rule of law.
This legal mechanism is a 'nuclear option' that allows the EU to sanction countries that reject these values by suspending their membership rights.
The EU can suspend voting rights in the European Council or access to the single market if there is a “serious and persistent breach” of the values.
But Article 7 has never been used before. A European Parliament described Article 7 as a “last resort” to deal with systematic violations.
It said: “The current mechanism is said to be unusable due to the high thresholds needed to adopt a decision in the Council, as well as Member States' political unwillingness to use it.”
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/686923/Brexit-what-Article-7-can-EU-force-Britain-use-Article-50-leave-European-Union-referendum
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No State has ever left the EU before so this is new territory for everyone involved. Let's just get on with it!
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No State has ever left the EU before so this is new territory for everyone involved. Let's just get on with it!
You may well find, that even if we are out of the EU, there will be little change, if we still want access to the 'free market'.
There is also the matter of overturning thousands of regulations which the UK Parliament has agreed to, and which many current members will still like to keep.
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You may well find, that even if we are out of the EU, there will be little change, if we still want access to the 'free market'.
There is also the matter of overturning thousands of regulations which the UK Parliament has agreed to, and which many current members will still like to keep.
That will not happen!
My money is on the UK Government passing an act which keeps all the EU inspired laws on our books with a caveat to modify as and when it becomes necessary ie if we cannot trade within the EU whatever our status.
Just as an example: a compressor your local garage may have. A compressor sitting on a buffer vessel with air blast after cooler and controls.To flog it into the EU it must comply with at least four different directives and be CE marked. That will never change.
Just to put that into perspective the UK have yet another layer of legislation for this self same set up to comply with that the EU don't have .... good innit 8(>((
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That will not happen!
My money is on the UK Government passing an act which keeps all the EU inspired laws on our books with a caveat to modify as and when it becomes necessary ie if we cannot trade within the EU whatever our status.
Just as an example: a compressor your local garage may have. A compressor sitting on a buffer vessel with air blast after cooler and controls.To flog it into the EU it must comply with at least four different directives and be CE marked. That will never change.
Just to put that into perspective the UK have yet another layer of legislation for this self same set up to comply with that the EU don't have .... good innit 8(>((
If they try and overturn the legislation it will be anarchy.
Picking and choosing through tens of thousands of pieces of legislation is a non-starter.
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If they try and overturn the legislation it will be anarchy.
Picking and choosing through tens of thousands of pieces of legislation is a non-starter.
1 In broad terms at law one cannot have a void so there has to be a law. If you repeal an EU inspired law what are you going to replace it with? Plucking two out of the air what will replace The Low Voltage Directive and The Landfill Directive and a third: The Electromagnetic Compatibility Directive cos that can be made to sound funny as in ensuring that when your missus is drying her hair the dryer is not changing satellite orbits, making aircraft fly round in circles or turning your neighbours TV on to a porn channel in the middle of Emmerdale.
2 Purely on the basis of the time taken to remove them and replace them as appropriate. That's why we still have strange laws remaining on our statute book. Like Marital Coercion if you remember your Chris Huhnes and Vikky Prices. Old laws like that need the judges permission.
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Well, it is very unlikely to be invoked this year. Perhaps sometime in 2017, but there will probable be a debate and vote in the HOC first. And that could take a while.
Then there is an (extendible) two year period of negotiation.
French and German elections in 2017.
Listening to political rhetoric, I wouldn't be too confident that you are going to get rid of all of us immigrants just yet either.
The ECHR will still influence UK law.
My prediction - there will be changes in the uk and in Europe but not very significant. And the 'Brexiteers' may be a bit disappointed.
If a week is a long time in politics - three years is eternity. 8(0(*
lol JP I wouldn't be too sure. 8 australians 3 Newzealanders and 2 Canadians were all sent home and refused due to their not so high income. Not really the people we want to see leave at all.
Influence but not dictate, and besides it has no real teeth what can they do send in the troops to kill us all? lol being accused of not conforming to stupid laws does not affect CHina, Russia, America,Most Muslim countries in the middle east so we don't need to wet our beds in fear.
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The Petition: “Invoke Article 50 of The Lisbon Treaty immediately”.
The Government has responded to the petition – “Invoke Article 50 of The Lisbon Treaty immediately.”.
Government responded:
The British people have voted to leave the EU and their will must be respected and delivered. We should not trigger Article 50 until we have a UK approach and objectives.
The British people have voted to leave the EU and their will must be respected and delivered. The process for leaving the EU and determining our future relationship will be a complex one, so we need to take time to think through our objectives and approach. We want to ensure the best possible outcome for Britain and the future UK-EU relationship. As part of this, the government will of course work closely with the devolved administrations to ensure we get the best deal for the UK as a whole. We should not trigger Article 50 until we have a UK approach and objectives, so Article 50 should not be invoked before the end of this year.
Department for Exiting the European Union
Click this link to view the response online:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/133618?reveal_response=yes
This petition has over 100,000 signatures. The Petitions Committee will consider it for a debate. They can also gather further evidence and press the government for action.
The Committee is made up of 11 MPs, from political parties in government and in opposition. It is entirely independent of the Government. Find out more about the Committee: https://petition.parliament.uk/help#petitions-committee
Thanks,
The Petitions team
UK Government and Parliament
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The Petition: “Invoke Article 50 of The Lisbon Treaty immediately”.
The Government has responded to the petition – “Invoke Article 50 of The Lisbon Treaty immediately.”.
Government responded:
The British people have voted to leave the EU and their will must be respected and delivered. We should not trigger Article 50 until we have a UK approach and objectives.
The British people have voted to leave the EU and their will must be respected and delivered. The process for leaving the EU and determining our future relationship will be a complex one, so we need to take time to think through our objectives and approach. We want to ensure the best possible outcome for Britain and the future UK-EU relationship. As part of this, the government will of course work closely with the devolved administrations to ensure we get the best deal for the UK as a whole. We should not trigger Article 50 until we have a UK approach and objectives, so Article 50 should not be invoked before the end of this year.
Department for Exiting the European Union
Click this link to view the response online:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/133618?reveal_response=yes
This petition has over 100,000 signatures. The Petitions Committee will consider it for a debate. They can also gather further evidence and press the government for action.
The Committee is made up of 11 MPs, from political parties in government and in opposition. It is entirely independent of the Government. Find out more about the Committee: https://petition.parliament.uk/help#petitions-committee
Thanks,
The Petitions team
UK Government and Parliament
...and the other petition John, how many signed that one ? 8**8:/:
4,142,932
At the last count.
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4,142,932 people not happy,oh dear.Out of appx 70million- so not a majority then...again!
Due to the disgraceful weather being thrust upon us by the weather God, I was forced to watch people running,swimming,jumping , and throwing things ( some of them were tantrums)! My friends ,neighbours and fellow WET barbequers were horrified when someone we didn't like very much won a gold medal. I mean it was a total disaster, you can't imagine how that changed our lives, so we all wrote to the Olympic committee and demanded they remove the 'winner' and take back the medal. We are hoping for a really great outcome" DEAD PAN OLYMPIC FANS LIVES MATTER". Has a bit of a ring to it. now where did I put my semi automatic...
For those who don't do humour or irony...move along> nothing to see here.
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lol JP I wouldn't be too sure. 8 australians 3 Newzealanders and 2 Canadians were all sent home and refused due to their not so high income. Not really the people we want to see leave at all.
Influence but not dictate, and besides it has no real teeth what can they do send in the troops to kill us all? lol being accused of not conforming to stupid laws does not affect CHina, Russia, America,Most Muslim countries in the middle east so we don't need to wet our beds in fear.
Yeh we shouldn't even take notice of the 'right to family law' when the family consists of 28 people! all living on benefits needing to be housed and breaking our other laws...
No fear for you JP I will marry you if you are going to be deported. I am difficult to live with according to my teenagers who hate me. 8**8:/: 8(>((
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4,142,932 people not happy,oh dear.Out of appx 70million- so not a majority then...again!
Due to the disgraceful weather being thrust upon us by the weather God, I was forced to watch people running,swimming,jumping , and throwing things ( some of them were tantrums)! My friends ,neighbours and fellow WET barbequers were horrified when someone we didn't like very much won a gold medal. I mean it was a total disaster, you can't imagine how that changed our lives, so we all wrote to the Olympic committee and demanded they remove the 'winner' and take back the medal. We are hoping for a really great outcome" DEAD PAN OLYMPIC FANS LIVES MATTER". Has a bit of a ring to it. now where did I put my semi automatic...
For those who don't do humour or irony...move along> nothing to see here.
Neither did a majority of the electorate vote for Brexit.
I wonder how many voting for Brexit actually understood what they were voting for. £5%4%
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Neither did a majority of the electorate vote for Brexit.
I wonder how many voting for Brexit actually understood what they were voting for. £5%4%
The majority of those who did vote won, if 4 million are not happy then they do not have the right to overturn a majority vote, and why should they have that right, because if they won then the Brexiteers will have another court case with more than 4 million I suspect, to over turn their vote.. if that is how you see this working... lol
I am sure from what I have observed-Many Brexiteers were not paying any attention to party politics,and were very aware of what they were voting for. The EU is not what we signed up for, The Government of the day led without a mandate from the people to opt into a larger government which is unaccountable, expensive, and not elected by the people they 'rule'.
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Bump Post 19 above !
The government will also enshrine all existing EU law into British law.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37532364
So what does a Brexit look like now?
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Bump Post 19 above !
The government will also enshrine all existing EU law into British law.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37532364
So what does a Brexit look like now?
Hard to tell. A friend without benefits?
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Yeh we shouldn't even take notice of the 'right to family law' when the family consists of 28 people! all living on benefits needing to be housed and breaking our other laws...
No fear for you JP I will marry you if you are going to be deported. I am difficult to live with according to my teenagers who hate me. 8**8:/: 8(>((
What a kind offer miss taken!
All teenagers hate their parents - it's how it works. They will understand when they have their own children!
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Bump Post 19 above !
The government will also enshrine all existing EU law into British law.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37532364
So what does a Brexit look like now?
A remarkably accurate prediction Alice. In my view it's a clever move by May. It appears to be taking decisive action while saying nothing about what 'brexit' means. As you said earlier it'll prevent the legal vacuum, allowing laws to be amended if they are seen to be not fit for purpose. Very clever .
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A remarkably accurate prediction Alice. In my view it's a clever move by May. It appears to be taking decisive action while saying nothing about what 'brexit' means. As you said earlier it'll prevent the legal vacuum, allowing laws to be amended if they are seen to be not fit for purpose. Very clever .
Boris's expression yesterday at this was a joy to behold.
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Boris's expression yesterday at this was a joy to behold.
Quite. Poor Boris.
My impression is that May has been quite skilful at steering a path through this, so far.
Interesting times.
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Quite. Poor Boris.
My impression is that May has been quite skilful at steering a path through this, so far.
Interesting times.
Good morning J.P.
Quite right, interesting times ahead. It was quite an astute move of hers, placing Johnson, Fox, and Davies all together in charge of Brexit, as apparently, they loathe each other intently.
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A remarkably accurate prediction Alice. In my view it's a clever move by May. It appears to be taking decisive action while saying nothing about what 'brexit' means. As you said earlier it'll prevent the legal vacuum, allowing laws to be amended if they are seen to be not fit for purpose. Very clever .
In being seen not to be binning EU laws she has also bought herself time with the likes of Nissan, Honda and the one I can never remember the name of, who were all devising a "Plan A" for moving to contintetal Europe if we ceased to be their stepping stone.
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In being seen not to be binning EU laws she has also bought herself time with the likes of Nissan, Honda and the one I can never remember the name of, who were all devising a "Plan A" for moving to contintetal Europe if we ceased to be their stepping stone.
Nissan and others, no doubt, have stopped any further investment in the UK, dependent on what happens in Brexit.
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There is an interesting problem for firms aiming to decamp from the UK and set up / strengthen their continental Europe operations.
And that relates to labour laws in the Eurozone - unemployment in the UK is around 4.9% while the Euro area generally is just over double that figure.
And that is partly due to social cost and partly due to the inflexibility of labour laws. If you get a permanent job in France or Spain, that's it. Your employer will find it virtually impossible to get rid of you.
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So, for all Brexit supporters..........................
'Brexit will cost up to £66billion A YEAR in lost tax revenue, bombshell Treasury reports says'
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/brexit-cost-up-66billion-year-9020170
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So, for all Brexit supporters..........................
'Brexit will cost up to £66billion A YEAR in lost tax revenue, bombshell Treasury reports says'
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/brexit-cost-up-66billion-year-9020170
If it means we get less muslim immigrants, it's a price worth paying.
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If it means we get less muslim immigrants, it's a price worth paying.
Try telling that to the people and Institutions who will suffer the consequences of lost revenue.
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Why will it mean less Muslim immigrants? I thought Brexit meant less European immigrants, the majority of whom are white Christian.... &%+((£
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We don't know yet whether Brexit will result in fewer immigrants from EU countries. We only know what we think will happen when Article 50 is invoked. What actually will happen after Article 50 is invoked is up for grabs. At the moment the chat seems to be we may well allow EU citizens in here for fear of retribution.
Whatever happens, Brexit will not address any numerical problems arising from immigrants from Commonwealth countries.
Pups, selling and all that old cobblers ... ?{)(**
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Why will it mean less Muslim immigrants? I thought Brexit meant less European immigrants, the majority of whom are white Christian.... &%+((£
Sorry, I just imagined that there was a camp full of would-be immigrants in Calais.
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We don't know yet whether Brexit will result in fewer immigrants from EU countries. We only know what we think will happen when Article 50 is invoked. What actually will happen after Article 50 is invoked is up for grabs. At the moment the chat seems to be we may well allow EU citizens in here for fear of retribution.
Whatever happens, Brexit will not address any numerical problems arising from immigrants from Commonwealth countries.
Pups, selling and all that old cobblers ... ?{)(**
I notice in many of the news reports that there is a huge failure to distinguish between the various categories of immigrant. For starters there are European and non European immigrants. Among those non Europeans we have North Americans, Canadians, Australians, Kiwis and many others. A one size fits all policy will just not work so who gets priority, white Christians who can establish links to the UK?
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I noticed yesterday that former Bank of England Governor Mervyn King has called the recent devaluation of the British pound a 'welcome change'.
(https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/styles/story_large/public/thumbnails/image/2016/08/29/13/mervyn-king-2016-4.jpg)
Reactions have been 'over the top'; Brexit has delivered what central bankers have failed to for years - lower exchange rates, lower house prices, higher interest rates, King said.
The collapse in the value of the pound was labelled a “welcome change” by former Bank of England governor, Mervyn King yesterday.
King, who headed up the Bank during the turbulent days of the financial crisis, before handing over to Mark Carney, broke away from the consensus view of economists that the collapsing pound is bad for the UK.
He told Sky News: “The economy was slowing somewhat before the vote and we are in a position where the rest of the world is not offering us much help. So, from that point of view the fall in sterling is a welcome change.”
Read more... (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/pound-sterling-value-crash-mervyn-king-bank-of-england-welcomes-brexit-a7355076.html)
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I noticed yesterday that former Bank of England Governor Mervyn King has called the recent devaluation of the British pound a 'welcome change'.
(https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/styles/story_large/public/thumbnails/image/2016/08/29/13/mervyn-king-2016-4.jpg)
Reactions have been 'over the top'; Brexit has delivered what central bankers have failed to for years - lower exchange rates, lower house prices, higher interest rates, King said.
The collapse in the value of the pound was labelled a “welcome change” by former Bank of England governor, Mervyn King yesterday.
King, who headed up the Bank during the turbulent days of the financial crisis, before handing over to Mark Carney, broke away from the consensus view of economists that the collapsing pound is bad for the UK.
He told Sky News: “The economy was slowing somewhat before the vote and we are in a position where the rest of the world is not offering us much help. So, from that point of view the fall in sterling is a welcome change.”
Read more... (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/pound-sterling-value-crash-mervyn-king-bank-of-england-welcomes-brexit-a7355076.html)
Have you read the leaked report from the Treasury ?
By the way Brexit hasn't begun.
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Have you read the leaked report from the Treasury ?
By the way Brexit hasn't begun.
Exciting times ahead! Our exporters have never ever had it so good.
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Exciting times ahead! Our exporters have never ever had it so good.
Jumping out of a plane is exciting, until you discover you forgot to strap on your parachute.
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Try telling that to the people and Institutions who will suffer the consequences of lost revenue.
If Brexit is going to cost us £66 billion a year then that's the end of the NHS for sure, never mind there won't be any immigrants to keep it going, there won't be any money to pay 'em anyway! So, I hope all you Leave voters are looking forward to paying for your health care, and will be very happy to see the poor and the old dying like flies in years to come.
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If Brexit is going to cost us £66 billion a year then that's the end of the NHS for sure, never mind there won't be any immigrants to keep it going, there won't be any money to pay 'em anyway! So, I hope all you Leave voters are looking forward to paying for your health care, and will be very happy to see the poor and the old dying like flies in years to come.
That'll save a few quid on public services, pensions etc... problem solved.
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That'll save a few quid on public services, pensions etc... problem solved.
Who do you care about Spam ?
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Thinking this through slightly more, there are many, many ways the NHS could save money.
For example....
No more free cosmetic surgery, just let ugly people be ugly, it's not life threatening after all.
Stop providing IVF, women, just accept that if you can't concieve naturally.... then that's tough titties, go adopt.
Stop providing health care for drug & alcohol illnesses. Let them die, it's their own fault.
Stop giving gastric bands to fat people, tell them just stop eating so much & get off their fat lazy asses & do some exercise, it's free.
No more gender reassignment surgery, because you're either xx or xy, live with it.
I'm sure I can think of more.
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Who do you care about Spam ?
I care about, sex & drugs & rock & roll, because that is all my body needs, sex & drugs & rock & roll, is very good indeed.
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Thinking this through slightly more, there are many, many ways the NHS could save money.
For example....
No more free cosmetic surgery, just let ugly people be ugly, it's not life threatening after all.
Stop providing IVF, women, just accept that if you can't concieve naturally.... then that's tough titties, go adopt.
Stop providing health care for drug & alcohol illnesses. Let them die, it's their own fault.
Stop giving gastric bands to fat people, tell them just stop eating so much & get off their fat lazy asses & do some exercise, it's free.
No more gender reassignment surgery, because you're either xx or xy, live with it.
I'm sure I can think of more.
I don't think ugly people get free cosmetic surgery on the NHS these days unless their faces have been bitten off by their pet rotweiller. Out of interest who would qualify for free treatment under the NHS in the crazy world of Spam?
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I care about, sex & drugs & rock & roll, because that is all my body needs, sex & drugs & rock & roll, is very good indeed.
Perhaps you need some treatment by the N.H.S.
Hold on, your previous post would suggest you should never get treatment of any form.
Then again...
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I don't think ugly people get free cosmetic surgery on the NHS these days unless their faces have been bitten off by their pet rotweiller. Out of interest who would qualify for free treatment under the NHS in the crazy world of Spam?
I think, if your pet rotweiller bites your face off, then it's essentially your own fault for owning a pet rotweiller in the first place, so, no, they'd certainly be disqualified from treatment & have to remain faceless, in the Crazy World Of Alfie Spam.
Perhaps, as a rule, anything that's your own fault, should be funded by yourself.
I'm undecided as to who would qualify for what, maybe just do away with the health service altogether & accept that pain & death happen.
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I think, if your pet rotweiller bites your face off, then it's essentially your own fault for owning a pet rotweiller in the first place, so, no, they'd certainly be disqualified from treatment & have to remain faceless.
Perhaps, as a rule, anything that's your own fault, should be funded by yourself.
I'm undecided as to who would qualify for what, maybe just do away with the health service altogether & accept that pain & death happen.
Sure. Do away with policing, social services, the justice system too while you're at it and accept that if you get robbed, raped or murdered it was your fault for allowingit to happen in the first place. Survival of the fittest innit, and make sure anyone who wants a gun is allowed to have one, or as many as they like.
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Sure. Do away with policing, social services, the justice system too while you're at it and accept that if you get robbed, raped or murdered it was your fault for allowingit to happen in the first place. Survival of the fittest innit, and make sure anyone who wants a gun is allowed to have one, or as many as they like.
Well, I must say, I'm glad you're starting to see sense.
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Well, I must say, I'm glad you're starting to see sense.
Yes, I've realised that anarchy is the way forward, thanks for helping me to see this. Incidentally did you used to run your own forum? I'm sure I've encountered you before.... &%+((£
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Parliamentary debate re Article 50 Petitions.
E-petitions 133618, 125333, 123324, 154593, 133767 and 133540 relating to the UK's exit from the European Union.
http://parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/7b53b5c2-1b12-474d-855e-a8bca88605e5
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/mps-could-block-brexit-deal-no-10-admits-a7368561.html
It looks like folk are now waking up... 8(0(*
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/mps-could-block-brexit-deal-no-10-admits-a7368561.html
It looks like folk are now waking up... 8(0(*
Tis a true shame. 8)--))
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/mps-could-block-brexit-deal-no-10-admits-a7368561.html
It looks like folk are now waking up... 8(0(*
MP's have no veto over the wishes of the people and the sooner they realise it the better. The people have decided!
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MP's have no veto over the wishes of the people and the sooner they realise it the better. The people have decided!
I think you'll find that they do, and exercise it on a regular basis. The referendum was not legally binding and if given the opportunity to vote on it MPs could very much prove to be a spanner in the Brexit works.
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I think you'll find that they do, and exercise it on a regular basis. The referendum was not legally binding and if given the opportunity to vote on it MPs could very much prove to be a spanner in the Brexit works.
If an MP votes on an issue contrary to the wishes of those who elected him or her they face being sacked and rightly so. MP's are merely public servants, their job is to represent the electorate. The Referendum was the best thing that could ever have happened, it shook the complacency out of those who thought they ran this country. Cameron being one of them!
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MP's have no veto over the wishes of the people and the sooner they realise it the better. The people have decided!
That's not what I meant.... ?{)(**
What most seem to blithely ignore are the mechanisms by which things are done.
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If an MP votes on an issue contrary to the wishes of those who elected him or her they face being sacked and rightly so. MP's are merely public servants, their job is to represent the electorate. The Referendum was the best thing that could ever have happened, it shook the complacency out of those who thought they ran this country. Cameron being one of them!
Their job is to represent their constituents actually. As I understand it, they will be asked to vote on the specifics of any deal struck, and the specifics of a Brexit deal have not been decided in any sort of public vote. If the deal they are asked to vote on is inadequate or not in their opinion in their constituents' interests then they can vote against it, this is what parliamentary democracy is all about.
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Their job is to represent their constituents actually. As I understand it, they will be asked to vote on the specifics of any deal struck, and the specifics of a Brexit deal have not been decided in any sort of public vote. If the deal they are asked to vote on is inadequate or not in their opinion in their constituents' interests then they can vote against it, this is what parliamentary democracy is all about.
I don't understand why you think MPs can run rough shod over the majority wishes of those who elected them?
Do you really think the UK government is going to spend from now until March 2019 working flat out to create a working trade mechanism with the EU only to have it voted out? I think you can be quite sure that the 'specifics' will have been worked out well in advance and leaked to all interested parties throughout the process in order to carry the widest possible support thus avoiding the very possibility you suggest.
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That's not what I meant.... ?{)(**
What most seem to blithely ignore are the mechanisms by which things are done.
Mechanisms can be changed Alice, very little is set in stone any more.
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I don't understand why you think MPs can run rough shod over the majority wishes of those who elected them?
Do you really think the UK government is going to spend from now until March 2019 working flat out to create a working trade mechanism with the EU only to have it voted out? I think you can be quite sure that the 'specifics' will have been worked out well in advance and leaked to all interested parties throughout the process in order to carry the widest possible support thus avoiding the very possibility you suggest.
Your faith in the current UK government's ability to deliver a deal that meets with the approval of the rest of parliament is rather quaint. Perhaps we should wait and see though whether your grounds for optimism turn out to be misplaced or not...
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Your faith in the current UK government's ability to deliver a deal that meets with the approval of the rest of parliament is rather quaint. Perhaps we should wait and see though whether your grounds for optimism turn out to be misplaced or not...
The decision has been taken so get over it. Bye bye EU 8@??)(
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The decision has been taken so get over it. Bye bye EU 8@??)(
Yadda yadda. I'm over it. It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine. In fact I'm kind of enjoying it in a sick sort of a way.
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Perhaps someone more knowledgeable about these things could explain this to me:
we are constantly being told this by Leavers: "Germany would mad be tell their car manufacturers that they were imposing a 10% tariff on all exports to the UK, and manufacturers would be up in arms and it would be the death knell of the German car industry". But - why? If there is a market in Britain for UK cars then this isn't going to cease just because of a tariff of 10% - the increases in costs will be borne and shared by the car dealerships and UK customers and prices will go up (as they will on everything anyway) so why wouldn't and why shouldn't Europe slap a 10% tariff on goods to the UK? It's not like the UK is their sole market anyway. Give us special tariff free deals and everyone will want one, where's the logic in that?
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Mechanisms can be changed Alice, very little is set in stone any more.
I would suggest they will have to be.
The biggest laugh I have had is the bit where we are going to pass an act to keep EU laws until we can change them on an as and when basis no target completion date quoted. It was bleedin' obvious it was going to happen but I doubt those who voted to leave appreciated that.
https://ukconstitutionallaw.org/2016/07/08/thomas-fairclough-article-50-and-the-royal-prerogative/
https://www.lse.ac.uk/collections/law/news/Craig-50.pdf
One thing's for sure, as with any vessel that has never been used or put to the test the shake down cruise is going to be interesting.
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It seems the brexiteers believe the UK is going to get special treatment.
Evidently that isn't going to happen.
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It seems the brexiteers believe the UK is going to get special treatment.
Evidently that isn't going to happen.
The sheer arrogance of the Ra-Ra Little Englander who believes Europe needs us more than we need them is quite breath-taking IMO. If I was Europe I'd tell us to do one.
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The sheer arrogance of the Ra-Ra Little Englander who believes Europe needs us more than we need them is quite breath-taking IMO. If I was Europe I'd tell us to do one.
Judging by the responses to May.
Many already have.
Meanwhile doesn't article 50 have to be ratified by the other EU members ?
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Judging by the responses to May.
Many already have.
Meanwhile doesn't article 50 have to be ratified by the other EU members ?
Article 50 reads as follows:
1. Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements.
2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention….
3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.
Then the fun starts.
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I think you'll find that they do, and exercise it on a regular basis. The referendum was not legally binding and if given the opportunity to vote on it MPs could very much prove to be a spanner in the Brexit works.
Remainers party anthem #Hotel Californai- Eagles...You can check out anytime you like ...but you can never leave
A civil war will ensue, I predicted that 10 years ago. Enoch Powell saw it coming many years ago. There are none so blind as those who cannot see.
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Now the bankers are going to take their headquarters to France.
So the financial liability for failure will reside there along with the taxes no longer paid to the UK Treasury.
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Now the bankers are going to take their headquarters to France.
So the financial liability for failure will reside there along with the taxes no longer paid to the UK Treasury.
Some wan bankers have threatened to go to France.Cheerio. However we have Building societies, and Banks here. We as a a nation had our own bank before the EU TAKEOVER whood a thunk that eh... We also had a car industry and well a whole lotta other things like profitable farms- only became unprofitable when EU cash as up for grabs...
So lets look at what this means... UK will no longer be able to buy or sell goods in the EU... hmmm AND the money we don't send to the EU goes.... Hmmmm scaremongering is a lost cause.
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Some wan bankers have threatened to go to France.Cheerio. However we have Building societies, and Banks here. We as a a nation had our own bank before the EU TAKEOVER whood a thunk that eh... We also had a car industry and well a whole lotta other things like profitable farms- only became unprofitable when EU cash as up for grabs...
So lets look at what this means... UK will no longer be able to buy or sell goods in the EU... hmmm AND the money we don't send to the EU goes.... Hmmmm scaremongering is a lost cause.
I don't the EU for the loss of key industries.
That is Thatcher's legacy.
Other countries had the sense to protect some of their key industries.
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I don't the EU for the loss of key industries.
That is Thatcher's legacy.
Other countries had the sense to protect some of their key industries.
I am not blaming the EU I am pointing out we have HISTORY of being a great nation- standing alone against Europe over many millenium. How come we are being told we can't survive and the sky will fall on us when we leave? Eu is a bankrupt group of small nations..look at the WORLD market oh much, much bigger.
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I am not blaming the EU I am pointing out we have HISTORY of being a great nation- standing alone against Europe over many millenium. How come we are being told we can't survive and the sky will fall on us when we leave? Eu is a bankrupt group of small nations..look at the WORLD market oh much, much bigger.
Yet we already import and export goods from all around the world.
e.g. A simple example, and for the life of me it makes no economic sense, I saw tomatoes imported from China in a Morrison's store.
Another, we now export Patak's curry sauces to India. Noodles for the Chinese market are produced in Leeds.......
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I am not blaming the EU I am pointing out we have HISTORY of being a great nation- standing alone against Europe over many millenium. How come we are being told we can't survive and the sky will fall on us when we leave? Eu is a bankrupt group of small nations..look at the WORLD market oh much, much bigger.
wait for a year or two after brexit see how things pan out, no point in just believing gb will be better off on faith or past history
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Yet we already import and export goods from all around the world.
e.g. A simple example, and for the life of me it makes no economic sense, I saw tomatoes imported from China in a Morrison's store.
Another, we now export Patak's curry sauces to India. Noodles for the Chinese market are produced in Leeds.......
That oriental tomato will have to pay a "gate fee" or tariff as we say, to get in. Then he can jump up on the shelf and elbow off a non tariff, probably Dutch, tomato and sit in it's place but the Dutch tomato has a sepecial quality called "Guaranteed Minimum Price" which his grower will have been paid anyway..... &%+((£
Never mind it could have been worse, we could go back to the days of the sort of subsidy as introduced by the Attlee government which lived until we joined The Common Market. Hang on a minute! when we bail out of Europe I wonder what sort of subsidy UK farmers will lobby for to replace the one they just lost by Brexiting ?
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That oriental tomato will have to pay a "gate fee" or tariff as we say, to get in. Then he can jump up on the shelf and elbow off a non tariff, probably Dutch, tomato and sit in it's place but the Dutch tomato has a sepecial quality called "Guaranteed Minimum Price" which his grower will have been paid anyway..... &%+((£
Never mind it could have been worse, we could go back to the days of the sort of subsidy as introduced by the Attlee government which lived until we joined The Common Market. Hang on a minute! when we bail out of Europe I wonder what sort of subsidy UK farmers will lobby for to replace the one they just lost by Brexiting ?
That's what I'm wondering as well.
i don't think that the referendum was based on a purely rational thinking process. It seems to have been emotive v rational.
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That oriental tomato will have to pay a "gate fee" or tariff as we say, to get in. Then he can jump up on the shelf and elbow off a non tariff, probably Dutch, tomato and sit in it's place but the Dutch tomato has a sepecial quality called "Guaranteed Minimum Price" which his grower will have been paid anyway..... &%+((£
Never mind it could have been worse, we could go back to the days of the sort of subsidy as introduced by the Attlee government which lived until we joined The Common Market. Hang on a minute! when we bail out of Europe I wonder what sort of subsidy UK farmers will lobby for to replace the one they just lost by Brexiting ?
The single farm payment hasn't been lost, it will simply have a different name in 2019.
As to whether the UK will be better off or not, taking back control of our borders and keeping the worlds waifs and strays out trumps any short term loss the country might sustain.
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The single farm payment hasn't been lost, it will simply have a different name in 2019.
As to whether the UK will be better off or not, taking back control of our borders and keeping the worlds waifs and strays out trumps any short term loss the country might sustain.
You mean we take back control of the bit that deals with 27 countries? We already had control of the remaining 169.
You'll never see a farmer on a bike 8(0(*
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You mean we take back control of the bit that deals with 27 countries? We already had control of the remaining 169.
You'll never see a farmer on a bike 8(0(*
Tis the farmers who have always fed this country through two world wars, not the bankers. I know where my sympathies lie, bike or no bike.
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Tis the farmers who have always fed this country through two world wars, not the bankers. I know where my sympathies lie, bike or no bike.
I rather suspect the efforts of The Royal Navy and Merchant Marine had more to do with us not starving to death.
We have not been self sufficient in foodstuffs since the early 19th century.
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I rather suspect the efforts of The Royal Navy and Merchant Marine had more to do with us not starving to death.
We have not been self sufficient in foodstuffs since the early 19th century.
Indeed Alice. However, it is not beyond us to try and achieve at least self sufficiency in some areas. we do have freezers now and we can all workout how to manage herbs and some veg in our gardens, I suspect Greggs will petition the government to have their sausgage rolls given special status. Some are already struggling in this country to provide food for families.
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'Theresa May under fire for secret talk of Brexit fears
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/26/theresa-may-under-fire-following-leaked-brexit-recording
...and apparently, she has given Boris a good telling off again.
'MAY FLAYS BOJO Boris Johnson and Theresa May clash for THIRD time in weeks as the PM tells ranting Foreign Secretary to ‘shut up’ '
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2057224/boris-johnson-and-theresa-may-clash-for-third-time-in-weeks-as-the-pm-tells-ranting-foreign-secretary-to-shut-up/
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The Deputy Director of Nissan UK, has just been on Sky, stating that production in the UK will continue.
When pressed, several times, whether the Government has given financial sweeteners to keep Nissan in the UK, he wouldn't answer.
Now I thought Tory governments, by and large , let market forces rule.
The DD did however the situation is ongoing, which means they could change their minds when Brexit comes into play.
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The Deputy Director of Nissan UK, has just been on Sky, stating that production in the UK will continue.
When pressed, several times, whether the Government has given financial sweeteners to keep Nissan in the UK, he wouldn't answer.
Now I thought Tory governments, by and large , let market forces rule.
The DD did however the situation is ongoing, which means they could change their minds when Brexit comes into play.
A great boost for Brexit when such a large employer can see such a bright future ahead for UK car production. Its only a pity our own home grown manufacturers couldn't produce a product to the same standard thus negating the need for the Japanese to be here in the first place.
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I rather suspect the efforts of The Royal Navy and Merchant Marine had more to do with us not starving to death.
We have not been self sufficient in foodstuffs since the early 19th century.
It was a joint effort and as more and more supply ships were sunk by German submarines the need to produce more food at home resulted in the Woman's Land Army.
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A great boost for Brexit when such a large employer can see such a bright future ahead for UK car production. Its only a pity our own home grown manufacturers couldn't produce a product to the same standard thus negating the need for the Japanese to be here in the first place.
Haven't you got the message John.
It will involve the Government, therefore the tax payer subsidising one company, and if one has it, so will others.
The deal was done with Nissan to try and shore off companies moving abroad. Make no mistake, that will happen as soon as people realize the mistake brexit is.
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It was a joint effort and as more and more supply ships were sunk by German submarines the need to produce more food at home resulted in the Woman's Land Army.
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSSyctqydJ03jDuKqSpoUuRRzTf4dT4KPvt0OjNwDybCcfGYx1GAQ)
This isn't a wartime situation.
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It was a joint effort and as more and more supply ships were sunk by German submarines the need to produce more food at home resulted in the Woman's Land Army.
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSSyctqydJ03jDuKqSpoUuRRzTf4dT4KPvt0OjNwDybCcfGYx1GAQ)
Something tells me you and your fellow Brexiteers would love to go back to the days of make do and mend, scrimping and saving, ration books and women mobilized into the fields to pick potatoes.
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The Government deal with Nissan as regards Brexit, is that Nissan won't have to incur the 10% trade tariff.
So who picks it up, the tax payer of course.
Other car companies will of course want the same deal, as will any other companies exporting post Brexit.
Other companies have already asked for this Brexit deal as well.
So what does Brexit mean ?
Brexit means B.S. and the tax payer fronting the bill.
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Northern Ireland High Court rejects challenge to Prime Minister's power to trigger Brexit negotiations.
A landmark legal challenge against Brexit has been rejected at the High Court in Belfast. Two separate proceedings, one by a cross-party group of MLAs and another from victims' campaigner, Raymond McCord, were heard earlier this month.
Mr Justice Maguire ruled there was nothing in the 1998 Good Friday Agreement to prevent the government triggering Article 50 - the formal legal process for leaving the EU. The UK government welcomed the ruling.
The challenge by politicians from Sinn Féin, the Social Democratic and Labour Party (SDLP), the Alliance Party and the Green Party suggested the UK government could not trigger Article 50 without a parliamentary vote. They said the Brexit decision should be examined and voted on by parliament or, failing that, by the Northern Ireland Assembly. They have indicated they intend to appeal against the decision at the Supreme Court, and that this could be heard as early as December.
Mr McCord, whose son was murdered by loyalist paramilitaries and who now campaigns for victims of violence during Northern Ireland's Troubles, brought the other legal bid. His legal challenge came amid worries that the Brexit vote could mean an end to EU funding for peace projects that help Troubles victims in Northern Ireland. His lawyer argued that the Good Friday peace agreement meant Westminster had given sovereignty of Northern Ireland over to its people, and that leaving the EU would have a "catastrophic effect" for the peace process. Major constitutional changes such as leaving the EU could not therefore be imposed by a Westminster government, Mr McCord's barrister said.
But Mr Justice Maguire ruled that Prerogative Power could still be used, arguing that triggering Article 50 is merely the start of a legislative process in which acts of parliament will be necessary. "While the wind of change may be about to blow, the precise direction in which it will blows cannot be determined," he said.
He concluded that discussing the use of Prerogative Power to enact the EU referendum result was not suitable for a judicial review.
Westminster watching. It had also been argued that the Good Friday Agreement gave the power of sovereignty to the people of Northern Ireland and that the Westminster government could not therefore make Northern Ireland leave the EU. But Mr Justice Maguire rejected this argument as well, saying he could not see anything in the agreement or the relevant legislation that confirmed the view of the applicant. Thus all the issues raised by the applicants were rejected by the court.
Welcoming the ruling, a government spokesman said: "As we have always made clear, we stand by our commitments under the Belfast Agreement and the outcome of the EU referendum doesn't change this. The case has been closely watched by Westminster, especially as similar hearings in the High Court in London are due for judgement in the near future.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-37796836
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Something tells me you and your fellow Brexiteers would love to go back to the days of make do and mend, scrimping and saving, ration books and women mobilized into the fields to pick potatoes.
What a ridiculous suggestion. @)(++(*
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The Government deal with Nissan as regards Brexit, is that Nissan won't have to incur the 10% trade tariff.
So who picks it up, the tax payer of course.
Other car companies will of course want the same deal, as will any other companies exporting post Brexit.
Other companies have already asked for this Brexit deal as well.
So what does Brexit mean ?
Brexit means B.S. and the tax payer fronting the bill.
There won't be any trade tariff, we import far more motor vehicles from Europe than we export...it isn't rocket science!
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With Nissan's rapid volte-face there is clearly something on the table now that wasn't there a few weeks ago.
Nissan will want to be held harmless so it's likely to money of some sort or another. Right now as we are part of the EU we cannot offer state aid so it ain't that.
A "holiday" on business rates? "Super duper" deals on energy costs?
How many components for the Nissan are of Japanese origin?
Plenty to go at.
The other thing is as Nissan is tied in with Peugeot the option might be a new plant in France. No one in their right mind opens things up in France. Ask Marks and Spencer and Unisys how difficult it is to close anything down there.
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There won't be any trade tariff, we import far more motor vehicles from Europe than we export...it isn't rocket science!
Your dreaming John.
There will be tariffs.
Much as you won't or can't admit it, we will have to abide by world trade rules.
The world does not owe the UK any special treatment.
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With Nissan's rapid volte-face there is clearly something on the table now that wasn't there a few weeks ago.
Nissan will want to be held harmless so it's likely to money of some sort or another. Right now as we are part of the EU we cannot offer state aid so it ain't that.
A "holiday" on business rates? "Super duper" deals on energy costs?
How many components for the Nissan are of Japanese origin?
Plenty to go at.
The other thing is as Nissan is tied in with Peugeot the option might be a new plant in France. No one in their right mind opens things up in France. Ask Marks and Spencer and Unisys how difficult it is to close anything down there.
Speaking on BBC Question Time last night the business secretary who was directly involved in the talks with Nissan confirmed he 'has no chequebook' and that no financial incentives were given to the company.
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Tour dreaming John.
There will be tariffs.
Much as you won't or can't admit it, we will have to abide by world trade rules.
The world does not owe the UK any special treatment.
The world is our oyster regardless of bankrupt Europe. Have you seen the latest financial reports from Italy, yet another basket case economy thanks to the EU?
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Speaking on BBC Question Time last night the business secretary who was directly involved in the talks with Nissan confirmed he 'has no chequebook' and that no financial incentives were given to the company.
Yeah so Nissan changed its mind for reasons of altruism then ?
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Speaking on BBC Question Time last night the business secretary who was directly involved in the talks with Nissan confirmed he 'has no chequebook' and that no financial incentives were given to the company.
Utter rubbish.
Keep up with todays news.
They have a deal with the government to pay the 10% tariff.
i.e. the tax payers. 8)--))
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The world is our oyster regardless of bankrupt Europe. Have you seen the latest financial reports from Italy, yet another basket case economy thanks to the EU?
Dream on John.
Then look at the real UK debt including pensions.
It is an eye opener,and then compare it to Italy.
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Utter rubbish.
Keep up with todays news.
They have a deal with the government to pay the 10% tariff.
i.e. the tax payers. 8)--))
I think the UK trade secretary who was involved in talks with Nissan knows what he is talking about compared to some London hacks. It is not in the EU car makers interests to invoke any tariff.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/oct/27/new-nissan-super-plant-hopes-for-tariff-free-eu-access
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Dream on John.
Then look at the real UK debt including pensions.
It is an eye opener,and then compare it to Italy.
Brexit is a wonderful opportunity for the whole UK.
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I think the UK trade secretary who was involved in talks with Nissan knows what he is talking about compared to some London hack. It is not in the EU car makers interests to invoke any tariff.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/oct/27/new-nissan-super-plant-hopes-for-tariff-free-eu-access
It was in our interests not to leave the EU.
As to tariff free after brexit, dream on.
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Brexit is a wonderful opportunity for the whole UK.
You are going to be very disappointed on that.
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Brexit is a wonderful opportunity for the whole UK.
Perhaps it will turn out to be.
However, for the moment, I have yet to see anyone who had a plan of how this is supposed to work.
It still seems as if the debate was emotive versus rational, and now everyone is going around like headless chickens.
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I have no problem that the EU is seen (and to some extent no doubt is) an extremely slow and bureaucratic machine.
Ok.
The tabloids have long been rabble-rousing against the EU.
Perhaps a question is whether the tabloids pander to the known demographics of their readership, and / or whether an editorial stance influences the views of their readers.
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Brexit is a wonderful opportunity for the whole UK.
I'm happy to listen to your rationale for that, John.
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I am not blaming the EU I am pointing out we have HISTORY of being a great nation- standing alone against Europe over many millenium. How come we are being told we can't survive and the sky will fall on us when we leave? Eu is a bankrupt group of small nations..look at the WORLD market oh much, much bigger.
Lots of civilsations had a great history at some point.
The Romans ended up with Berlasconi.
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What a ridiculous suggestion. @)(++(*
Not really. This country is going to get a lot poorer over the next few years and I personally know a number of Brexiteers who think we're all too well off enough as it is and a little bit of "hard times" is what we all need to show us the value of things again. A return to post-war misery and hardship is what they are positively looking forward to, as long as their are no HMS Windrushes full of immigrants to spoil the fun that is.
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For when one is short of laughs this saga is worth trying to unpick:
https://dearkitty1.wordpress.com/2016/10/27/european-union-canada-ceta-deal-after-all-much-still-unclear/
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/28/minister-convinced-nissan-to-keep-building-in-uk-with-written-pr/
'There's been communications in all forms'
Downing Street have suggested written assurances were given to Nissan, telling a Westminster briefing that the Government and the car company had communicated in "all forms".
But a spokesman reiterated that there was "no compensation package" and "nothing about tariffs".
The spokesman said: "There's been communications in all forms.
"The dialogue between Nissan and the Government has obviously been going on for some period of time."
They added: "We've made it perfectly clear, Nissan have made it perfectly clear, there was no deal, there was no compensation package, there was nothing about tariffs.
"It was just a open and honest dialogue about what the Government sees in the future for the automotive industry of this country and what we are determined to do for that industry in terms of getting the best possible deal leaving the European Union."
So we think we know there was no chat about compo packages or tariffs. That still leaves a lot to go at in the "dropsie stakes".
For general guidance, Harry S Truman on Richard Nixon:
"He can lie out of both sides of his mouth at the same time and if he ever caught himself telling the truth he would lie just to keep his hand in".... ?{)(**
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Speaking on BBC Question Time last night the business secretary who was directly involved in the talks with Nissan confirmed he 'has no chequebook' and that no financial incentives were given to the company.
Oh how shifty he looked when he said that though. @)(++(*
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Oh how shifty he looked when he said that though. @)(++(*
Indeed, yet another BS politician doing an Ace Ventura. 8)-)))
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It was in our interests not to leave the EU.
As to tariff free after brexit, dream on.
Speaking as a Londoner no doubt you are correct to espouse such a view. For better or for worse most British people do not live in multicultural London so see no advantage to remaining in the EU, Irish republicans and Scottish nationalists aside, since they have their own agendas which have little to do with the economy. Ergo the vast majority of people interested in the wellbeing of the UK voted for Brexit and are quite prepared to rough it if it means we take back control of our country.
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Not really. This country is going to get a lot poorer over the next few years and I personally know a number of Brexiteers who think we're all too well off enough as it is and a little bit of "hard times" is what we all need to show us the value of things again. A return to post-war misery and hardship is what they are positively looking forward to, as long as their are no HMS Windrushes full of immigrants to spoil the fun that is.
The EU is heading for a big fall with many major countries carrying unsustainable debt. Once the UK leaves the EU I believe the balance will tip and other countries will follow our example. Once that happens the EU will disintegrate completely.
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The EU is heading for a big fall with many major countries carrying unsustainable debt. Once the UK leaves the EU I believe the balance will tip and other countries will follow our example. Once that happens the EU will disintegrate completely.
And the complete disintegration of the EU will be good for Europe and world peace and prosperity generally because...?
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The EU is heading for a big fall with many major countries carrying unsustainable debt. Once the UK leaves the EU I believe the balance will tip and other countries will follow our example. Once that happens the EU will disintegrate completely.
The UK has unsustainable debt John, as do the majority of countries around the world.
http://www.nationaldebtclock.co.uk/
P.S. I am not a 'Londoner' John, but I have lived there.
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Speaking as a Londoner no doubt you are correct to espouse such a view. For better or for worse most British people do not live in multicultural London so see no advantage to remaining in the EU, Irish republicans and Scottish nationalists aside, since they have their own agendas which have little to do with the economy. Ergo the vast majority of people interested in the wellbeing of the UK voted for Brexit and are quite prepared to rough it if it means we take back control of our country.
Actually I find a lot of non-British, not all though, far more cultured than some of their counterparts over here.
P.S. John, it wasn't a vast majority either.
Don't you recall, that Farage said if the vote had been the other way, he would have called for a second referendum.
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.so marmite will cost more,OMG lets all claim tax refunds ...
Nissan know full well, as do the other foreign car manufacturers, they would need to relocate and lose a customer base in the UK maybe someone pointed out the maths.. how mucha costa.
Lets look at opening our very own car plant- buy British only- pinned to the Germans and French/Japanese car manufacturers doors.
Will the EU miss our financial commitment for their over spending/arty farty ideas/ unlected president and hangers on... oh you bet they will hence the nasty threats like a jealous ex going out of their way to try an undermine your confidence, by making out you can't live without them.
Oh and if those 'child refugees' who have lived in a camp in France are so great and wonderful we should be lucky to have them, why don't the French snap them up for themselves!? answers on back of a postage stamp please...
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Actually I find a lot of non-British, not all though, far more cultured than some of their counterparts over here.
P.S. John, it wasn't a vast majority either.
Don't you recall, that Farage said if the vote had been the other way, he would have called for a second referendum.
I think you will find that those who wanted to stay in the EU form a small percentage of eligible voters and that is true in all four regions of the UK. Even in Scotland only 38% of the electorate bother to vote remain. And in London 2.6 m voted remain out of a pool of 5.5 m registered voters...says it all really. Brexit...onwards and upwards!
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.so marmite will cost more,OMG lets all claim tax refunds ...
Nissan know full well, as do the other foreign car manufacturers, they would need to relocate and lose a customer base in the UK maybe someone pointed out the maths.. how mucha costa.
Lets look at opening our very own car plant- buy British only- pinned to the Germans and French/Japanese car manufacturers doors.
Will the EU miss our financial commitment for their over spending/arty farty ideas/ unlected president and hangers on... oh you bet they will hence the nasty threats like a jealous ex going out of their way to try an undermine your confidence, by making out you can't live without them.
Oh and if those 'child refugees' who have lived in a camp in France are so great and wonderful we should be lucky to have them, why don't the French snap them up for themselves!? answers on back of a postage stamp please...
Your comment: "Lets look at opening our very own car plant- buy British only- pinned to the Germans and French/Japanese car manufacturers doors."
What are you suggesting?
What do you mean by a car plant?
I don't follow.
Trying to think about this.
A brand new type of vehicle with raw materials sourced solely in the UK. Based solely on labour of UK nationals, without foreign investment, with potential export tariffs which would be irrelevant and which would be a "must have" worldwide.
Possible. However, my impression is that spending a few weeks on holiday on the Moon in the next decade or so might be a bit more plausible.
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.so marmite will cost more,OMG lets all claim tax refunds ...
Nissan know full well, as do the other foreign car manufacturers, they would need to relocate and lose a customer base in the UK maybe someone pointed out the maths.. how mucha costa.
Lets look at opening our very own car plant- buy British only- pinned to the Germans and French/Japanese car manufacturers doors.
Will the EU miss our financial commitment for their over spending/arty farty ideas/ unlected president and hangers on... oh you bet they will hence the nasty threats like a jealous ex going out of their way to try an undermine your confidence, by making out you can't live without them.
Oh and if those 'child refugees' who have lived in a camp in France are so great and wonderful we should be lucky to have them, why don't the French snap them up for themselves!? answers on back of a postage stamp please...
Concise and to the point, I like it. 8@??)(
I guarantee this though, give it a few weeks and the Jungle will be back as those who have been bussed off around boring disinterested France return to have another go at the UK. Don't take my word for it though, the migrants have said as much themselves.
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I think you will find that those who wanted to stay in the EU form a small percentage of eligible voters and that is true in all four regions of the UK. Even in Scotland only 38% of the electorate bother to vote remain. And in London 2.6 m voted remain out of a pool of 5.5 m registered voters.
Yeah, and some of those only voted becaue they believed Sturgeons wild mutterings that if we leave we would be stuck with a Tory Government... ( instead of an unelected EU DICTATOR President)It was a UK vote and it was a majority who voted in the UK TO LEAVE.
Dry your eyes and sit up like a good citizen lol
Sturgeon like others, are still not listening to the people, or they are covering their ears, and beliveing themselves to be our chosen dictators.
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I think you will find that those who wanted to stay in the EU form a small percentage of eligible voters and that is true in all four regions of the UK. Even in Scotland only 38% of the electorate bother to vote remain. And in London 2.6 m voted remain out of a pool of 5.5 m registered voters...says it all really. Brexit...onwards and upwards!
Actually John, only 37% of the potential electorate voted to leave.
Since when is 37% a majority of the population ?
....and yes, I still say Brexit is bullocks.😀
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Your comment: "Lets look at opening our very own car plant- buy British only- pinned to the Germans and French/Japanese car manufacturers doors."
What are you suggesting?
What do you mean by a car plant?
I don't follow.
Trying to think about this.
A brand new type of vehicle with raw materials sourced solely in the UK. Based solely on labour of UK nationals, without foreign investment, with potential export tariffs which would be irrelevant and which would be a "must have" worldwide.
Possible. However, my impression is that spending a few weeks on holiday on the Moon in the next decade or so might be a bit more plausible.
Well look who hasn't been paying attention in class .Last time I looked we had a car industry AND we sold it off to foreigners- that was bad bad. If the EU shut us out we just go else where. simples.That is how it works. That is how it worked BEFORE EU.
You are forgetting we trade with world now , are you suggesting China and other world countries are not going to do any trade with us? will the French now pull out of Hinkly point? hell no...Would I cry if they did? Hell no! hahhahaha you make me laugh.
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Well look who hasn't been paying attention in class .Last time I looked we had a car industry AND we sold it off to foreigners- that was bad bad. If the EU shut us out we just go else where. simples.That is how it works. That is how it worked BEFORE EU.
You are forgetting we trade with world now , are you suggesting China and other world countries are not going to do any trade with us? will the French now pull out of Hinkly point? hell no...Would I cry if they did? Hell no! hahhahaha you make me laugh.
The EU cannot afford to put tarriffs on the UK because we can go elsewhere, a simple case of customer knows best. Nissan is already planning bring its parts manufacturing to the UK so not good news for existing EU parts plants...shame 8)><(
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The UK has unsustainable debt John, as do the majority of countries around the world.
http://www.nationaldebtclock.co.uk/
P.S. I am not a 'Londoner' John, but I have lived there.
That's not what you told us a few weeks back otherwise I wouldn't have mentioned it. London is not by any stretch of the imagination representative of the UK population as can be seen from organisations like the BBC, Ch4 and Sky who delight in highlighting the fact by using far too many front line presenters from ethnic minorities in their programmes. It has got that bad that a few nights ago I thought I had selected Sky South Africa by mistake. Maybe it's time we took these services out of London completely.
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The EU cannot afford to put tarriffs on the UK because we can go elsewhere, a simple case of customer knows best. Nissan is already planning bring its parts manufacturing to the UK so not good news for existing EU parts plants...shame 8)><(
Cobblers.
People will still buy overseas goods, such as the high brand cars from Germany.
That would be a good starter for the hedgehog and BMW drivers classic joke ..
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That's not what you told us a few weeks back otherwise I wouldn't have mentioned it. London is not by any stretch of the imagination representative of the UK population as can be seen from organisations like the BBC, Ch4 and Sky who delight in highlighting the fact by using far too many front line presenters from ethnic minorities in their programmes. It has got that bad that a few nights ago I thought I had selected Sky South Africa by mistake. Maybe it's time we took these services out of London completely.
This is always worth looking at when one starts to lose one's sense of perspective.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_the_United_Kingdom
If one lives in Stoke or Rochdale one will find the figures hard to believe. Are there really that few?
If one lives on the south west coast one will find the figures hard to believe. Are there really that many?
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Cobblers.
People will still buy overseas goods, such as the high brand cars from Germany.
That would be a good starter for the hedgehog and BMW drivers classic joke ..
If the EU brings in penalties the UK will reciprocate so it achieves absolutely nothing. The future looks bright, we should have dumped the EU long ago.
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If the EU brings in penalties the UK will reciprocate so it achieves absolutely nothing. The future looks bright, we should have dumped the EU long ago.
Where does it look bright then ?
With higher food prices ?
More expensive imports ?
Tax payers paying for Government deals to pay the 10% tariff, to ensure some companies remain in the UK ?
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For the Brexit lovers, take a little time and read May's now, not so secret speech to Goldman Sachs.
So what does Brexit mean for her. %&5%£ %&5%£ £5%4%
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For the Brexit lovers, take a little time and read May's now, not so secret speech to Goldman Sachs.
So what does Brexit mean for her. %&5%£ %&5%£ £5%4%
Well considering she was a remainer not so many weeks ago, she's learning fast 8((()*/
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Well considering she was a remainer not so many weeks ago, she's learning fast 8((()*/
You can dream, but economic reality is already biting home. 8(0(*
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Here's how reliable May's words are.....
'Theresa May’s claim on NHS funding not true, say MPs'
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/oct/30/theresa-mays-claim-on-health-funding-not-true-say-mps
and there's this............
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/oct/30/theresa-may-lie-and-lied-to-become-prime-minister
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This is always worth looking at when one starts to lose one's sense of perspective.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_the_United_Kingdom
If one lives in Stoke or Rochdale one will find the figures hard to believe. Are there really that few?
If one lives on the south west coast one will find the figures hard to believe. Are there really that many?
Always an interesting read, but what is always left out of the equasion is the reasons for refugees coming here. During the secondworld war there was NO free housing, free NHS, Free schools, free money, instead they were met with :cities being bombed, high crime rate,disease and very little food. So those refugees were like the rest of the population- do or die, there was no special treatment of 'ethnics' bombs were not racially motivated, we were all in it together for a greater cause. Freedom. which with the influx of newer AsianMuslim migrants we are losing freedoms every day- yes the ones we fought for. So forgive us if we just don't want anymore.And we can now disperse with comparisons made in 1940's.
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Here's how reliable May's words are.....
'Theresa May’s claim on NHS funding not true, say MPs'
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/oct/30/theresa-mays-claim-on-health-funding-not-true-say-mps
and there's this............
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/oct/30/theresa-may-lie-and-lied-to-become-prime-minister
No politician would dare tell the truth about the NHS.
I have this built in toggled interlock. When I see a sacred cow I want to shoot it.
We can't afford the NHS unless:
We start heaving bodies out of it.
We stop GMP and PFI contracts.
Income tax is increased.
If you can afford to pay something you do. ie only life threatening stuff is free at point of use.
Any one without an NHS Number is given a bill to settle up front. "That'll be cash on the barrelhead son
Not part not half but the entire sum. No money down, no credit plan". [ see Gram Parsons]
Real vote catchers there. First party with the neck to put it forward gets my vote.
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It has just been announced in the High Court, that May does not have the authority/right to trigger Article 50.
What a shame.
It will have to be done at some point through the will of Parliament.
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It has just been announced in the High Court, that May does not have the authority/right to trigger Article 50.
What a shame.
It will have to be done at some point through the will of Parliament.
The UK Supreme Court and 11 judges will no doubt have a different view. The idea that elected members can somehow usurp the will of the people is ridiculous! Parliament is the peoples servant and not the other way round.
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The appeal court will no doubt have a different view. The idea that elected members can somehow usurp the will of the people is ridiculous! Parliament is the peoples servant and not the other way round.
The 'will' as you call it, was not the majority of the electorate, merely 37% of the total electorate voted to leave.
I would have no quibble if a majority of the electorate voted to leave, but they didn't.
That is not a majority , let alone a mandate.
What it is, is humiliation for May and her fellow brexiteers.
Why would the Supreme Court alter the decision ?
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The 'will' as you call it, was not the majority of the electorate, merely 37% of the total electorate voted to leave.
I would have no quibble if a majority of the electorate voted to leave, but they didn't.
That is not a majority , let alone a mandate.
What it is, is humiliation for May and her fellow brexiteers.
Why would the Supreme Court alter the decision ?
What are these troublemakers attempting to achieve in any event, its not as if they are remainders in most cases. They obviously have too much money at their disposal, fund managers et all!
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What are these troublemakers attempting to achieve in any event, its not as if they are remainders in most cases. They obviously have too much money at their disposal, fund managers et all!
Tell me Angelo, if the vote had been the reversed, would you have accepted it, with 37% of the electorate voting to remain.
Farage said, before he dropped it, if the vote had been the other way, he would have campaigned for another referendum. Then of course, he is a first class hypocrite, and a politician for over 30 years.
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As regards one of the claimants..........
' Gina Miller – the woman at the vanguard of the legal battle to prevent Theresa May triggering article 50 without parliament’s approval – is used to a scrap.
As the lead claimant in a historic legal action against the prime minister, Miller has been thrust into the limelight, but the investment manager has a long history of taking on powerful establishments.
The 51-year-old co-founded the firm SCM Private in 2014, but she also set up the True and Fair Campaign in 2012 with her hedge-fund manager husband, Alan, which called for more transparency, and an end to hidden fund charges and misselling in the City of London’s fund management industry.'
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/13/gina-miller-theresa-may-article-50-brexit-parliament-legal-challenge
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Tell me Angelo, if the vote had been the reversed, would you have accepted it, with 37% of the electorate voting to remain.
Farage said, before he dropped it, if the vote had been the other way, he would have campaigned for another referendum. Then of course, he is a first class hypocrite, and a politician for over 30 years.
Everyone registered to vote had the opportunity to do so but ultimately it was decided by 52% to 48% to leave.
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Everyone registered to vote had the opportunity to do so but ultimately it was decided by 52% to 48% to leave.
It wasn't a majority of the electorate, was it.
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Interesting that it is immigrants from Guyana and Spain who want to usurp the peoples wishes.
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It wasn't a majority of the electorate, was it.
That's how democracy works.
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That's how democracy works.
So was the referral to the High Court.
I note you haven't made a comments on what Farage said Angelo.
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Interesting that it is immigrants from Guyana and Spain who want to usurp the peoples wishes.
Am I right in thinking that those behind today's London High Court action relating to Article 50 all are high net worth individuals with a vested interest in the City of London?
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Am I right in thinking that those behind today's London High Court action relating to Article 50 all are high net worth individuals with a vested interest in the City of London?
Read around a bit.
Sour grapes from the brexiteers today.
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So was the referral to the High Court.
I note you haven't made a comments on what Farage said Angelo.
Old news Stephen, Nigel build up an industry on leaving the EU, nobody was more surprised than he that the public voted for it in the end.
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Old news Stephen, Nigel build up an industry on leaving the EU, nobody was more surprised than he that the public voted for it in the end.
What does Farage know about industry.
He has creamed off £2,000,000 in salary from the tax payer, and done FA, for it.
...and a reminder, 37% of the electorate voted for exit. Not exactly a majority.
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It's all going to be jolly interesting should the Supreme Court uphold the present judgement.
Look at the nuts, bolts and spaniards spanners of it.
The bit that amuses me, given the current judgement is not overturned, is:
All the busy bodies will have their sticky fingers in the pie to agree what will be acceptable before Article 50 is invoked then parliament will vote on it and say, Yo! go for it bo. Then we invoke Article 50 so our team can sit down at the table with EU member states and substates whose opening gambit is "well you can forget that bit chief!". At what point do we decamp and have another parliamentary vote ?
This has the potential for turning a long job into an interminable job.
Imagine Jacob Rees-Mogg, Owen Smith, Tim Farron and the SNP parliamentary windbag going at it in the house.
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Let both houses have their vote if it saves a few dummies being thrown out of the pram, not that it matters one iota anyway because Article 50 will be invoked regardless. The one certainty in all of this is that the UK will leave the EU and the sooner the better.
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There is no guarantee uk will leave the eu
the high court has decreed theresa may has no right to do so
And the high court is right
She dont have the authority
parliament has sovereign authority
It needs to be put to parliament
She and others thought she/they could cowboy her/their way out
Shes /they are wrong
Unfortunately for them the law is written in stone
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Let both houses have their vote if it saves a few dummies being thrown out of the pram, not that it matters one iota anyway because Article 50 will be invoked regardless. The one certainty in all of this is that the UK will leave the EU and the sooner the better.
It is the brexit supporters who have been throwing the dummies out of the pram since yesterday, and pro brexit M.P.'s, desperately trying to convince people, a majority of the population voted for brexit, which of course it didn't.
What has emerged from some, is even more rampant paranoia, hatred of foreigners and other aberrations which are cardinal signs of disturbed people.
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The above few posts from Mercury, Alice and Stephen are spot on. This is going to become very interesting.
I really do not see why the Brexiteers are a bit nonplussed.
One of the main planks of the brexit campaign was to 'take back control' and reestablish judicial and parliamentary sovereignty.
So the high court has decided that according to English law, parliament must decide on a matter affecting the whole of the U.K. In accordance with the declared wishes of leading brexit campaigners.
Be careful what you wish for - you might get it.........
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There is no guarantee uk will leave the eu
the high court has decreed theresa may has no right to do so
And the high court is right
She dont have the authority
parliament has sovereign authority
It needs to be put to parliament
She and others thought she/they could cowboy her/their way out
Shes /they are wrong
Unfortunately for them the law is written in stone
Aren't you forgetting that Parliament serves the people and not the other way round?
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The above few posts from Mercury, Alice and Stephen are spot on. This is going to become very interesting.
I really do not see why the Brexiteers are a bit nonplussed.
One of the main planks of the brexit campaign was to 'take back control' and reestablish judicial and parliamentary sovereignty.
So the high court has decided that according to English law, parliament must decide on a matter affecting the whole of the U.K. In accordance with the declared wishes of leading brexit campaigners.
Be careful what you wish for - you might get it.........
From what I have seen in the press since the courts ruling the three judges are being accused of political bias. Oh dear whatever next? @)(++(*
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From what I have seen in the press since the courts ruling the three judges are being accused of political bias. Oh dear whatever next? @)(++(*
Eleven more judges cop a noss, in December, at what the three said then the eleven make their ruling in January 2017. As in other cases it will be a ruling on points of law.
The solution to the initial problem is quite simple but I doubt party politics will allow it.
Westminster seems to be remarkably like Laputa:
"The Laputans' oddly-focused eyes are Swift's parodies of the microscope and telescope. So intent are the Laputans in their scientific studies that they cannot function in the everyday world, or even perceive it".
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From what I have seen in the press since the courts ruling the three judges are being accused of political bias. Oh dear whatever next? @)(++(*
Did it ever actually occur to you that they implemented the law as it stands ? 8((()*/
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Parliament being sovereign is sort of democratic.
The Prime Minister being allowed to slice the cake any which way he/she fancies at the time without a check on it is called a d**********p.
No prizes for filling in the Asterixes.
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Aren't you forgetting that Parliament serves the people and not the other way round?
It does
But it never has a blank cheque
The referendum was counted and more people who bothered to vote voted for brexit than not by not a huge majority so no one can quote will of the people if half of them didnt vote of vote brexit
The brexiteers are fuming, not sure why, as all mps agree it wilk eb brexit but they wont have a fascist govt doing what they like without support of oarliament which IS the supreme power lol
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/07/brexit-cps-considers-complaint-that-leave-campaigns-misled-voters
'Brexit: CPS considers complaint that leave campaigns misled voters
Case argues Vote Leave and Leave.EU made ‘knowingly misleading’ assertions of fact, including claim EU cost UK £350m a week'
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The Government is quietly preparing the first draft of a bill to trigger Article 50 - the formal process to divorce the EU - in case it loses the appeal in the Supreme Court.
A senior Government source told Sky News it was "sensible" for the Government to draw up a bill now in order to keep Theresa May's Brexit timetable on track should it be forced to grant a vote on activating Article 50 through Parliament.
http://news.sky.com/story/govt-already-drafting-brexit-trigger-bill-10648882
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So brexit supporters then.
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' Article 50 could be reversed, government may argue in Brexit case.
Lawyers consider potential change of tack for supreme court challenge to ruling that MPs must vote to trigger EU exit'
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/11/brexit-could-be-reversed-government-lawyers-may-argue
That will make the brexiters happy.
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Parliament did vote, six to one to hold a Referendum, the result of which would be accepted. What value does that have?
However, if Parliament wants a vote on how and on exactly what, and to which degree, then I don't have problem with that. Although it could get a bit convoluted if they all want something different.
In the end, someone has to decide. And that can only be The Prime Minister, albeit unelected as such at the moment.
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Parliament did vote, six to one to hold a Referendum, the result of which would be accepted. What value does that have?
However, if Parliament wants a vote on how and on exactly what, and to which degree, then I don't have problem with that. Although it could get a bit convoluted if they all want something different.
In the end, someone has to decide. And that can only be The Prime Minister, albeit unelected as such at the moment.
Exactly, an unelected P.M., who is a leg-end in her own mind.
After all, brexit means brexit........................... @)(++(*
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Exactly, an unelected P.M., who is a leg-end in her own mind.
After all, brexit means brexit........................... @)(++(*
I wouldn't bank on Theresa May losing an Election, should she decide to call for one. Gordon Brown was unelected, and he didn't do so. She is not the first unelected Prime Minister.
But can we be sure that Jeremy Corbyn won't demand a second election if he loses, which he undoubtedly will?
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I wouldn't bank on Theresa May losing an Election, should she decide to call for one. Gordon Brown was unelected, and he didn't do so. She is not the first unelected Prime Minister.
But can we be sure that Jeremy Corbyn won't demand a second election if he loses, which he undoubtedly will?
Indeed not. Just in my lifetime it's 8 elected and 7 unelected.
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Indeed not. Just in my lifetime it's 8 elected and 7 unelected.
Thank You, Alice, for that useful piece of information.
So which person do you think should decide? And was The Referendum legally instituted?
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Thank You, Alice, for that useful piece of information.
So which person do you think should decide? And was The Referendum legally instituted?
I think Parliament should decide because the norm for doing anything is by Parliament tvoting on a bill and creating an Act of Parliament as a result. It's in the hands of the court at present. In this instance if Parliament decides then the bill needs to be very prescriptive to prevent time wasting. There is already a cross party select commitee set up to oversee the government so a prescriptive bill should pose no problems. It will of course because everyone will want a finger in the pie. I'll be long in my box by the time this has played out.
I would assume the referendum was legally insituted as the act was passed in 2015 and no complaints were made pre referendum as far as I am aware.
The referendum was held to honour a manifesto commitment,
Voting was in accordance with our current system of boundaries and simple majority.
That gave victory to the “leave party”
Parliament having decided to hold the referendum, and the electorate having participated fully in it, the result should be respected and not turned over.
I don't agree with the result because I think we will finish up with the worst of both worlds; but neither do I belong to the "I want what I want and I want it now because I am worth it" brigade.
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I think Parliament should decide because the norm for doing anything is by Parliament tvoting on a bill and creating an Act of Parliament as a result. It's in the hands of the court at present. In this instance if Parliament decides then the bill needs to be very prescriptive to prevent time wasting. There is already a cross party select commitee set up to oversee the government so a prescriptive bill should pose no problems. It will of course because everyone will want a finger in the pie. I'll be long in my box by the time this has played out.
I would assume the referendum was legally insituted as the act was passed in 2015 and no complaints were made pre referendum as far as I am aware.
The referendum was held to honour a manifesto commitment,
Voting was in accordance with our current system of boundaries and simple majority.
That gave victory to the “leave party”
Parliament having decided to hold the referendum, and the electorate having participated fully in it, the result should be respected and not turned over.
I don't agree with the result because I think we will finish up with the worst of both worlds; but neither do I belong to the "I want what I want and I want it now because I am worth it" brigade.
It could be difficult. I don't live in UK anymore, and don't actually want to. But half of me still cares.
Anyway, it's all academic to me,
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I think Parliament should decide because the norm for doing anything is by Parliament tvoting on a bill and creating an Act of Parliament as a result. It's in the hands of the court at present. In this instance if Parliament decides then the bill needs to be very prescriptive to prevent time wasting. There is already a cross party select commitee set up to oversee the government so a prescriptive bill should pose no problems. It will of course because everyone will want a finger in the pie. I'll be long in my box by the time this has played out.
I would assume the referendum was legally insituted as the act was passed in 2015 and no complaints were made pre referendum as far as I am aware.
The referendum was held to honour a manifesto commitment,
Voting was in accordance with our current system of boundaries and simple majority.
That gave victory to the “leave party”
Parliament having decided to hold the referendum, and the electorate having participated fully in it, the result should be respected and not turned over.
I don't agree with the result because I think we will finish up with the worst of both worlds; but neither do I belong to the "I want what I want and I want it now because I am worth it" brigade.
Yes I agree. We do not need the usual tit for tat parliament kinder garden mentality, and get together to discuss what do we want our country to look like. Aims and objectives clearly stated.
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Yes I agree. We do not need the usual tit for tat parliament kinder garden mentality, and get together to discuss what do we want our country to look like. Aims and objectives clearly stated.
So who is going to get together to discuss the countries future ?
Just the Brexiters, who form a minority of the electorate ?
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Interesting.
The Scottish and Welsh parliaments/ governments have been given permission to give depositions in the Supreme Court in December, as regards the application of Scottish and Welsh laws , in regard to Brexit.
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So according to the latest announcement, will be paying money to the EU until at least 2030.
The sum being at least £40,000,000,000.
Chicken feed of course.
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Interesting.
The Scottish and Welsh parliaments/ governments have been given permission to give depositions in the Supreme Court in December, as regards the application of Scottish and Welsh laws , in regard to Brexit.
Indeed it is interesting, the new ruler of Scotland 'Herr strurgeon' is determined to see the break up of the UK. against the wishes of the Scottish people)Now, about that Brexit, any views on how that will work? How about the joining fee where will that come from? or how about what amount of our income will we have to pay,same as UK or a quarter of it? figures ladies please...
OR are we thinking the Scottish Brexit is great or not so great based on? We want independance screeches Nick oh well actually we don't really, I mean we want all the good bits from the EU paid for by the English, Germans etc, but we don't want to be ruled by people we don't vote for... Oh yeah Nick, you been reading the funny papers.... heard about Mr Unelected President of EU doll?
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So according to the latest announcement, will be paying money to the EU until at least 2030.
The sum being at least £40,000,000,000.
Chicken feed of course.
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yeah we all saw that paper being signed just the other day... like really hahahaha latest announcment ...oh look the sky is falling...
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yeah we all saw that paper being signed just the other day... like really hahahaha latest announcment ...oh look the sky is falling...
You really can't see what's coming, can you.
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You really can't see what's coming, can you.
Yes, lies , lies and more damn lies. These announcements mean nothing at all Stephen.
I am very worried that France is going down the NAZI route with Le Pen. The EU have only themselves to blame. It is what happens you see. People are seen to be tolerant, they want show themselves as good people. Little things it is what Hitler was great at, introducing things little by little, before the Germans knew where they were, WW2 was foist upon them and the slaughter of the innocents is there shame. It is the liberal left who create very right wing parties. Look what happened to BNP people voted for them, also UKIP.
UK Brexit is just the beginning, others will follow.
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Yes, lies , lies and more damn lies. These announcements mean nothing at all Stephen.
I am very worried that France is going down the NAZI route with Le Pen. The EU have only themselves to blame. It is what happens you see. People are seen to be tolerant, they want show themselves as good people. Little things it is what Hitler was great at, introducing things little by little, before the Germans knew where they were, WW2 was foist upon them and the slaughter of the innocents is there shame. It is the liberal left who create very right wing parties. Look what happened to BNP people voted for them, also UKIP.
UK Brexit is just the beginning, others will follow.
How has being in the EU hurt you, financially, morally or emotionally ?
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Yes, lies , lies and more damn lies. These announcements mean nothing at all Stephen.
I am very worried that France is going down the NAZI route with Le Pen. The EU have only themselves to blame. It is what happens you see. People are seen to be tolerant, they want show themselves as good people. Little things it is what Hitler was great at, introducing things little by little, before the Germans knew where they were, WW2 was foist upon them and the slaughter of the innocents is there shame. It is the liberal left who create very right wing parties. Look what happened to BNP people voted for them, also UKIP.
UK Brexit is just the beginning, others will follow.
You're WORRIED?! I'd have thought based on your support for Brexit and Trump that you would have been delighted!
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You're WORRIED?! I'd have thought based on your support for Brexit and Trump that you would have been delighted!
Oh you just don't get it do you! It was consecutive governments playing the EU brand is best policies which led to Brexit! yes those who refused to listen, and still doing it are bringing us right wing policies.
It is people like you and Stephen, the remainers, who are unaffected by these policies, who choose to dictate what others have to life like. So why dodn't you tell us why BNP and UKIP came about and grew in popularity- not because the voting public wanted them in gorvernment, but because they wanted a voice! It was a warning shot..AND IGNORED again.
name calling... yeah you lost that argument.
It is remainers who are the Nazis, refusing to listen to the pleas from women and childern living with oppression you couldn't even think of, yeah British Born. I won't bore you with details as you have shown you are happy for sex slaves to be brought over under the guise of refugees, you don't mind BRITISH children being taken abroad for the 'cutting' season, or African witch doctors being brought over to solve child witches by torturing them.. oh you just love being the bigger person huh...
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Oh you just don't get it do you! It was consecutive governments playing the EU brand is best policies which led to Brexit! yes those who refused to listen, and still doing it are bringing us right wing policies.
It is people like you and Stephen, the remainers, who are unaffected by these policies, who choose to dictate what others have to life like. So why dodn't you tell us why BNP and UKIP came about and grew in popularity- not because the voting public wanted them in gorvernment, but because they wanted a voice! It was a warning shot..AND IGNORED again.
name calling... yeah you lost that argument.
It is remainers who are the Nazis, refusing to listen to the pleas from women and childern living with oppression you couldn't even think of, yeah British Born. I won't bore you with details as you have shown you are happy for sex slaves to be brought over under the guise of refugees, you don't mind BRITISH children being taken abroad for the 'cutting' season, or African witch doctors being brought over to solve child witches by torturing them.. oh you just love being the bigger person huh...
NAme calling?! You're being thoroughly irrational. I have called you no names, yet you have called me racist, sexist and misogynistic all in the last hour. Get a grip, then when you have calmed down and started posting rationally I will answer your posts, until then forget it.
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Oh you just don't get it do you! It was consecutive governments playing the EU brand is best policies which led to Brexit! yes those who refused to listen, and still doing it are bringing us right wing policies.
It is people like you and Stephen, the remainers, who are unaffected by these policies, who choose to dictate what others have to life like. So why dodn't you tell us why BNP and UKIP came about and grew in popularity- not because the voting public wanted them in gorvernment, but because they wanted a voice! It was a warning shot..AND IGNORED again.
name calling... yeah you lost that argument.
It is remainers who are the Nazis, refusing to listen to the pleas from women and childern living with oppression you couldn't even think of, yeah British Born. I won't bore you with details as you have shown you are happy for sex slaves to be brought over under the guise of refugees, you don't mind BRITISH children being taken abroad for the 'cutting' season, or African witch doctors being brought over to solve child witches by torturing them.. oh you just love being the bigger person huh...
How has in the being in the EU harmed you ?
Slavery has existed throughout history, so what is your point ?
Supporting Brexit, won't stop that.
Where does African Witch Doctors come in the argument about Brexit ?
That is the result of ignorant superstition.
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NAme calling?! You're being thoroughly irrational. I have called you no names, yet you have called me racist, sexist and misogynistic all in the last hour. Get a grip, then when you have calmed down and started posting rationally I will answer your posts, until then forget it.
You have insinuated that those who voted Brexit would be pleased that a right wing fascist may win an election. I was merely passing on the names you used to describe others yet you secretly harbour them yourself.
I am very calm indeed, no doubt you will assign me as an hysterical women who should not step out of line when the men talk politics huh. *&*%£
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How has in the being in the EU harmed you ?
Slavery has existed throughout history, so what is your point ?
Supporting Brexit, won't stop that.
Where does African Witch Doctors come in the argument about Brexit ?
That is the result of ignorant superstition.
I can very clearly state how it has harmed many tens of thousands in this country, but you wouldn't listen anyway.
The slavery issue was not as big an issue before the EU and it was seen to be addressed.
the African Witch Doctor is a reality- check child protection, these mena re comming hre under the guise as 'ministers', but oh well, why don't you just keep on ignoring what people are telling you.. Just as a fact can you tell me how many British childen were taking out of the coutry for the cutting season to be mutilated and how many of those died?
no stats oh well never mind it goes on all the time nothing for, us white women here to worry her little herself about.
tsk Witch doctors indeed , what next? ISIS killers on the lose, mass rapes, murders all worth it for the economy.. we do need Polish plumbers.
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I can very clearly state how it has harmed many tens of thousands in this country, but you wouldn't listen anyway.
The slavery issue was not as big an issue before the EU and it was seen to be addressed.
the African Witch Doctor is a reality- check child protection, these mena re comming hre under the guise as 'ministers', but oh well, why don't you just keep on ignoring what people are telling you.. Just as a fact can you tell me how many British childen were taking out of the coutry for the cutting season to be mutilated and how many of those died?
no stats oh well never mind it goes on all the time nothing for, us white women here to worry her little herself about.
tsk Witch doctors indeed , what next? ISIS killers on the lose, mass rapes, murders all worth it for the economy.. we do need Polish plumbers.
You know what they say about paranoia...
It will get you in the end.
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You have insinuated that those who voted Brexit would be pleased that a right wing fascist may win an election. I was merely passing on the names you used to describe others yet you secretly harbour them yourself.
I am very calm indeed, no doubt you will assign me as an hysterical women who should not step out of line when the men talk politics huh. *&*%£
A more measured post from you, thanks (shame about the rolling smiley but never mind).
I am genuinely surprised that you are worried about the rise of the Far Right in France. I personally can see little difference between what they want and what UKIP want. I assumed (possibly incorrectly, I don't know - it's hard to tell when you're ranting) that you broadly supported the policies of UKIP. Perhaps you could tell me why you fear Marine Le Pen, when you don't appear to fear similar policies being implemented in this country?
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You know what they say about paranoia...
It will get you in the end.
Apathetic response Stephen, Oh how these childen suffer.. lets ignore it.
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Apathetic response Stephen, Oh how these childen suffer.. lets ignore it.
Which children are you referring to ?
Second, where have I said I support the suffering of children ?
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A more measured post from you, thanks (shame about the rolling smiley but never mind).
I am genuinely surprised that you are worried about the rise of the Far Right in France. I personally can see little difference between what they want and what UKIP want. I assumed (possibly incorrectly, I don't know - it's hard to tell when you're ranting) that you broadly supported the policies of UKIP. Perhaps you could tell me why you fear Marine Le Pen, when you don't appear to fear similar policies being implemented in this country?
Alfie, I am glad you asked that question. Here is my answer. A lot of negative things have been happening in communities up and down the country for many years now, some of our towns have become dumping grounds for criminal elements, Many very ordinary people saw things were happening in NHS, Social services, they tried to highlight these issues and were accused of being racists and this was a cultural thing. The budgets for schools were being cut because not enough money could be raised locally to provide even basic education, this was highlighted and again the race card was thrown in the face of many. Many more instances in many more towns and villages were coming to light due to the overwhelming rise of immigrants, coming to live and work, and refugees, and illegal immigrants. Councils could not cope, can't cope. As thrse ssues were affecting a great many who were reasonable tolerant people, there concerns were being ignored, and it didn't hel when Governments were signing all our freedoms away because they thought that is what they had to do. Anyway the surge came and peopole were looking for some where to get there message across. I and many others were warning ignore at your peril. That is where BNP began to gain momemtum, they picked on all negative forms or immigration, and lets face it there are many! the local council elections got a freight when BNP began gaining seats, Then a more moderate face showed up in UKIP, still right wing but a more acceptable face to voters- still people tried to warn the governement and still they kind of listened, but not really. This is the ourcome. Brexit. I have never voted for BNP or UKIP I do not favour any political party. I vote in who will deliver most of what I believe would be good for my community and country.
I have said that if BREXIT does not go ahead then a civil war will be a reallity because the next government will be a Nazi type party. I really, really do not want that for my country.
I don't think remainers have the slightest incling how many millions in Asia and Africa are trying to reach the UK- not all are plumbers and electricians.
Does my reply satisfy you?
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Alfie, I am glad you asked that question. Here is my answer. A lot of negative things have been happening in communities up and down the country for many years now, some of our towns have become dumping grounds for criminal elements, Many very ordinary people saw things were happening in NHS, Social services, they tried to highlight these issues and were accused of being racists and this was a cultural thing. The budgets for schools were being cut because not enough money could be raised locally to provide even basic education, this was highlighted and again the race card was thrown in the face of many. Many more instances in many more towns and villages were coming to light due to the overwhelming rise of immigrants, coming to live and work, and refugees, and illegal immigrants. Councils could not cope, can't cope. As thrse ssues were affecting a great many who were reasonable tolerant people, there concerns were being ignored, and it didn't hel when Governments were signing all our freedoms away because they thought that is what they had to do. Anyway the surge came and peopole were looking for some where to get there message across. I and many others were warning ignore at your peril. That is where BNP began to gain momemtum, they picked on all negative forms or immigration, and lets face it there are many! the local council elections got a freight when BNP began gaining seats, Then a more moderate face showed up in UKIP, still right wing but a more acceptable face to voters- still people tried to warn the governement and still they kind of listened, but not really. This is the ourcome. Brexit. I have never voted for BNP or UKIP I do not favour any political party. I vote in who will deliver most of what I believe would be good for my community and country.
I have said that if BREXIT does not go ahead then a civil war will be a reallity because the next government will be a Nazi type party. I really, really do not want that for my country.
I don't think remainers have the slightest incling how many millions in Asia and Africa are trying to reach the UK- not all are plumbers and electricians.
Does my reply satisfy you?
Yes, thank you very much.
ETA: except you didn't realy explain in what ways you think Marine Le Pen is materially different from UKIP...
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I can very clearly state how it has harmed many tens of thousands in this country, but you wouldn't listen anyway.
The slavery issue was not as big an issue before the EU and it was seen to be addressed.
the African Witch Doctor is a reality- check child protection, these mena re comming hre under the guise as 'ministers', but oh well, why don't you just keep on ignoring what people are telling you.. Just as a fact can you tell me how many British childen were taking out of the coutry for the cutting season to be mutilated and how many of those died?
no stats oh well never mind it goes on all the time nothing for, us white women here to worry her little herself about.
tsk Witch doctors indeed , what next? ISIS killers on the lose, mass rapes, murders all worth it for the economy.. we do need Polish plumbers.
'I can very clearly state how it has harmed many tens of thousands in this country, but you wouldn't listen anyway.'
Try me.
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'I can very clearly state how it has harmed many tens of thousands in this country, but you wouldn't listen anyway.'
Try me.
No, I don't think I will waste time. The evidence is all around this country- you can't see it- it doesn't affect you then Good. Cheers!
Out side your bubble-Homelessness, food banks, rise in crime and bursting at the seems prisons, Schools, NHS almost bankrupt, terror plots, no go areas, and none of this affects you at all. Lucky You.
None of these issues will be addressed or fixed by staying in the EU unless...
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No, I don't think I will waste time. The evidence is all around this country- you can't see it- it doesn't affect you then Good. Cheers!
Out side your bubble-Homelessness, food banks, rise in crime and bursting at the seems prisons, Schools, NHS almost bankrupt, terror plots, no go areas, and none of this affects you at all. Lucky You.
None of these issues will be addressed or fixed by staying in the EU unless...
Would you care to explain LOGICALLY, why the EU is responsible for all this ?
P.S. I don't live in a bubble, but it isn't hard to see those who are.
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Would you care to explain LOGICALLY, why the EU is responsible for all this ?
P.S. I don't live in a bubble, but it isn't hard to see those who are.
I have already explained logically. The social impact, the cost to accommodate the 'free movemnent' of what we thought would be a some migrants seeking employment as many UK citizens do within the EU.
Our benefit system has been pushed to accommodate part time workers, provide housing,social care, education,health care all free to all and sundry who aRrive in France to claim enterance to the UK. We do not have the infrastructure in place and our own people are suffering great hardship as a result.
The EU is almost debunked anyway, Greece and Italy already to collapse. Can we afford to keep propping these countries up as well with our contributions. Do we want to be ruled by EU presidents? do we really what to give our stupid governements civil servants which don't even bother to read most of the dictats that come from EU PEN PUSHERS, the rights to sell out our rights. We the people are never consulted on very important matters. AND as has been shown if we were onsulted and didn't like anything and voted against it the EU would simple ignore it and thrust it upon us anway, because they know better. apparently.
Oh that is just a few of my reasons.
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I have already explained logically. The social impact, the cost to accommodate the 'free movemnent' of what we thought would be a some migrants seeking employment as many UK citizens do within the EU.
Our benefit system has been pushed to accommodate part time workers, provide housing,social care, education,health care all free to all and sundry who aRrive in France to claim enterance to the UK. We do not have the infrastructure in place and our own people are suffering great hardship as a result.
The EU is almost debunked anyway, Greece and Italy already to collapse. Can we afford to keep propping these countries up as well with our contributions. Do we want to be ruled by EU presidents? do we really what to give our stupid governements civil servants which don't even bother to read most of the dictats that come from EU PEN PUSHERS, the rights to sell out our rights. We the people are never consulted on very important matters. AND as has been shown if we were onsulted and didn't like anything and voted against it the EU would simple ignore it and thrust it upon us anway, because they know better. apparently.
Oh that is just a few of my reasons.
It has already been explained to you and others logically, that immigrants from the EU and outside, are net beneficiary's to the UK economy.
The UK has a skills shortage, merely closing your eyes and ears to that, won't make it disappear.
All EU legislation has to be passed by Parliament, and there have been exclusions for the UK.
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It has already been explained to you and others logically, that immigrants from the EU and outside, are net beneficiary's to the UK economy.
The UK has a skills shortage, merely closing your eyes and ears to that, won't make it disappear.
All EU legislation has to be passed by Parliament, and there have been exclusions for the UK.
It has been explained. I don't see it myself, the skill shortage is a old rope being swung around. how much skill does it take to work in a cafe' or an Indian takeaway exactly? Jobs for minorities for the sake of employng minorities does not tie up with your speech Stephen.
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It has been explained. I don't see it myself, the skill shortage is a old rope being swung around. how much skill does it take to work in a cafe' or an Indian takeaway exactly? Jobs for minorities for the sake of employng minorities does not tie up with your speech Stephen.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/22/curry-restaurants-crisis-immigration-rules-chefs
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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/22/curry-restaurants-crisis-immigration-rules-chefs
Same with pubs closing oh but wait.. Only Indians can work in Curry houses ? what really wow racists.
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It has been explained. I don't see it myself, the skill shortage is a old rope being swung around. how much skill does it take to work in a cafe' or an Indian takeaway exactly? Jobs for minorities for the sake of employng minorities does not tie up with your speech Stephen.
It isn't just me saying that, it is employers all around the country.
Do keep up. 8(0(*
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Same with pubs closing oh but wait.. Only Indians can work in Curry houses ? what really wow racists.
If you want a decent curry, yes.
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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/22/curry-restaurants-crisis-immigration-rules-chefs
From your linked article:
"Current immigration rules stipulate that a chef from outside the UK must be paid £29,570, after deductions for accommodation and meals, which is too expensive for most curry restaurants. Moreover, the jobs cannot be in a restaurant with a takeaway service, which most curry houses rely upon". One wonders what the objective is.
When did the Indian Sub-Continent move into Europe?
"Invoking Article 50" ........ &%+((£
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From your linked article:
"Current immigration rules stipulate that a chef from outside the UK must be paid £29,570, after deductions for accommodation and meals, which is too expensive for most curry restaurants. Moreover, the jobs cannot be in a restaurant with a takeaway service, which most curry houses rely upon". One wonders what the objective is.
When did the Indian Sub-Continent move into Europe?
"Invoking Article 50" ........ &%+((£
Global warming melted the ice cap due to over heating our houses, and driving cars.. this moved countries nearer to us...
OR just for fun.. how about a refugee 'migrant' can claim they are here to work by being...waiters, car washers, big issue sellers. Jobs for the boys! and some girls too. This entitles them to Tax credits, housing benefit, child benefit and makes them 'vulnerable'.
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Global warming melted the ice cap due to over heating our houses, and driving cars.. this moved countries nearer to us...
OR just for fun.. how about a refugee 'migrant' can claim they are here to work by being...waiters, car washers, big issue sellers. Jobs for the boys! and some girls too. This entitles them to Tax credits, housing benefit, child benefit and makes them 'vulnerable'.
Oh, not again. &%&£(+ &%&£(+ &%&£(+
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It looks like the Supreme Court have settled one issue already:
The ball will go on the spot; it's just a matter of who boots it into play.
On that basis Ms May has played a blinder.
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Oh, not again. &%&£(+ &%&£(+ &%&£(+
lol not listening does not make it go away...
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lol not listening does not make it go away...
I do listen.
I also meet and work with people from several different countries, often who are more civilised than my fellow Brits.
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I do listen.
I also meet and work with people from several different countries, often who are more civilised than my fellow Brits.
As do many people Stephen. I spend a lot of time abroad and enjoy the company of a very mixed bunch of friends. Every race in every country in the world, there are good people and nasty people so what is your point?
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As do many people Stephen. I spend a lot of time abroad and enjoy the company of a very mixed bunch of friends. Every race in every country in the world, there are good people and nasty people so what is your point?
Your posts seem to tarnish anyone coming to this country.
The reality is, there are endemic s..mbags in this country, as well as some trying to come here from abroad, or already here, and that is true for many other countries as well.
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Your posts seem to tarnish anyone coming to this country.
The reality is, there are endemic s..mbags in this country, as well as some trying to come here from abroad, or already here, and that is true for many other countries as well.
Stephen you can read into my posts what you wish, but please do not feel free to try and rewrite them. I have never tarnished people who come here to live and work legally. I am not anti immigration. I am concerned with open door policy because I see the problems and ill afffects this is having in my village and community, and other communities. There are negatives to open door policy. We have our own s..m bags here so who wants to import some more?
The threat from Muslim fanatics is very real Stephen- changing the face of the UK and not for the better. So forgive me if I don't share your enthusiasim to welcome such cretins. We don't need to import vile creatures if we already have them here.
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Stephen you can read into my posts what you wish, but please do not feel free to try and rewrite them. I have never tarnished people who come here to live and work legally. I am not anti immigration. I am concerned with open door policy because I see the problems and ill afffects this is having in my village and community, and other communities. There are negatives to open door policy. We have our own s..m bags here so who wants to import some more?
The threat from Muslim fanatics is very real Stephen- changing the face of the UK and not for the better. So forgive me if I don't share your enthusiasim to welcome such cretins. We don't need to import vile creatures if we already have them here.
How do you decide who is a vile creature and who is not when offering jobs to immigrants or refuge to asylum seekers? What are your criteria? Obviously anyone with a criminal record is a no-no but are there any other vile attributes that you feel should be proscribed when deciding who to let in?
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Stephen you can read into my posts what you wish, but please do not feel free to try and rewrite them. I have never tarnished people who come here to live and work legally. I am not anti immigration. I am concerned with open door policy because I see the problems and ill afffects this is having in my village and community, and other communities. There are negatives to open door policy. We have our own s..m bags here so who wants to import some more?
The threat from Muslim fanatics is very real Stephen- changing the face of the UK and not for the better. So forgive me if I don't share your enthusiasim to welcome such cretins. We don't need to import vile creatures if we already have them here.
You talk of twisting words, yet that is exactly what you have done in your second paragraph, and one has to ask the reason why you are doing that. Perhaps you can cite where I have said I welcome Muslim fanatics. If you can't, withdraw the comment and apologize.
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Stephen you can read into my posts what you wish, but please do not feel free to try and rewrite them. I have never tarnished people who come here to live and work legally. I am not anti immigration. I am concerned with open door policy because I see the problems and ill afffects this is having in my village and community, and other communities. There are negatives to open door policy. We have our own s..m bags here so who wants to import some more?
The threat from Muslim fanatics is very real Stephen- changing the face of the UK and not for the better. So forgive me if I don't share your enthusiasim to welcome such cretins. We don't need to import vile creatures if we already have them here.
Very well said, not only do we have them here already but they are multiplying at a horrendous rate. If I had my way they would all be sent back to the shithole where they originated. Any immigrant naturalised into British society or given indefinite leave to remain in the UK who commits a criminal act should be deported immediately imo.
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Very well said, no only do we have them here already but they are multiplying at a horrendous rate.
You have personal experience of that then Angelo ? @)(++(* @)(++(*
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You have personal experience of that then Angelo ? @)(++(* @)(++(*
www.express.co.uk/news/uk/606926/Number-migrant-babies-born-UK-SOAR-new-record-high
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www.express.co.uk/news/uk/606926/Number-migrant-babies-born-UK-SOAR-new-record-high
Any figures for the birth rate among chavs ? 8**8:/:
...the Express of course is totally neutral in brexit.
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Any figures for the birth rate among chavs ? 8**8:/:
...the Express of course is totally neutral in brexit.
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Statistics are what they are.
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Statistics are what they are.
You know the old saying Angelo,....
There are lies, damn lies and then there are statistics.
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Very well said, not only do we have them here already but they are multiplying at a horrendous rate. If I had my way they would all be sent back to the shithole where they originated. Any immigrant naturalised into British society or given indefinite leave to remain in the UK who commits a criminal act should be deported immediately imo.
What level of "crime" do you mean? A speeding offence or more?
Some treaties already exist to enable convicts to appeal to serve the rest of their sentences in their countries of origin.
What do you do with people who have no second nationality?
What do you do with people who commit crimes from countries that would apply the death sentence?
Currently, albeit with exceptions, crimes in many countries are tried in the country in which the offence took place. That includes the numerous UK sex offenderers overseas.
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Any figures for the birth rate among chavs ? 8**8:/:
...the Express of course is totally neutral in brexit.
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I don't see how that can be significant without demogaphics of the general ageing of the population.
If immigrants are breeding like rabbits and are there simply to scrounge benefits, that's one thing (to be verified). However, if the UK indigenous population is ageing / not reproducing to a sustainable level, who pays for old-age pensions?
If ever a significant proportion of the indigenous UK population is scrounging (to be verified), who pays the taxes for their benefits?
No country wants more scroungers than they already have. However, what does this birth rate mean in context?
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Fury as deluded Brussels DEMANDS EU nationals in Britain should live by EUROPE’S laws
THE EU is determined to keep European nationals living in Britain firmly under the iron fist of the European Court of Justice even after Brexit is completed, it has been revealed.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/742775/EU-European-Union-Brussels-Britain-Theresa-May-Jean-Claude-Juncker-politics?utm_source=traffic.outbrain&utm_medium=traffic.outbrain&utm_term=traffic.outbrain&utm_content=traffic.outbrain&utm_campaign=traffic.outbrain
Erm, what about all the UK citizens currently living in mainland Europe?
What's the solution? Everyone should be sent back to where they were born? Or not even the country of birth?
Who is going to deal with all this?
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So the Supreme Court say there must be an Act of Parliament to trigger Article 50.
I bet T.M already has such bill in her handbag.
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So the Supreme Court say there must be an Act of Parliament to trigger Article 50.
I bet T.M already has such bill in her handbag.
Is that the £900 handbag, to go along with her trousers. 8)-)))
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Interesting that the Supreme Court makes simple majority verdicts. The Government is lucky that they maintain a comfortable majority in Parliament, consider what could have happened had EU supporters held the majority. Would Parliament really defy the majority wishes of the electorate?
What the court said:
Reading out the judgement, Supreme Court President Lord Neuberger said: "By a majority of eight to three, the Supreme Court today rules that the government cannot trigger Article 50 without an act of Parliament authorising it to do so."
He added: "Withdrawal effects a fundamental change by cutting off the source of EU law, as well as changing legal rights.
"The UK's constitutional arrangements require such changes to be clearly authorised by Parliament."
The court also rejected, unanimously, arguments that the Scottish Parliament, Welsh Assembly and Northern Ireland Assembly should get to vote on Article 50 before it is triggered.
Lord Neuberger said: "Relations with the EU are a matter for the UK government."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38720320
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Interesting that the Supreme Court makes simple majority verdicts. The Government is lucky that they maintain a comfortable majority in Parliament, consider what could have happened had EU supporters held the majority. Would Parliament really defy the majority wishes of the electorate?
What the court said:
Reading out the judgement, Supreme Court President Lord Neuberger said: "By a majority of eight to three, the Supreme Court today rules that the government cannot trigger Article 50 without an act of Parliament authorising it to do so."
He added: "Withdrawal effects a fundamental change by cutting off the source of EU law, as well as changing legal rights.
"The UK's constitutional arrangements require such changes to be clearly authorised by Parliament."
The court also rejected, unanimously, arguments that the Scottish Parliament, Welsh Assembly and Northern Ireland Assembly should get to vote on Article 50 before it is triggered.
Lord Neuberger said: "Relations with the EU are a matter for the UK government."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38720320
37% of the electorate is not a majority.
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37% of the electorate is not a majority.
Last time I looked 37% was greater than 34%.
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Last time I looked 37% was greater than 34%.
Yet not a majority.
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Interesting that the Supreme Court makes simple majority verdicts. The Government is lucky that they maintain a comfortable majority in Parliament, consider what could have happened had EU supporters held the majority. Would Parliament really defy the majority wishes of the electorate?
What the court said:
Reading out the judgement, Supreme Court President Lord Neuberger said: "By a majority of eight to three, the Supreme Court today rules that the government cannot trigger Article 50 without an act of Parliament authorising it to do so."
He added: "Withdrawal effects a fundamental change by cutting off the source of EU law, as well as changing legal rights.
"The UK's constitutional arrangements require such changes to be clearly authorised by Parliament."
The court also rejected, unanimously, arguments that the Scottish Parliament, Welsh Assembly and Northern Ireland Assembly should get to vote on Article 50 before it is triggered.
Lord Neuberger said: "Relations with the EU are a matter for the UK government."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38720320
Well I suppose we have Gina Miller to thank for that clarification.... ?{)(**
So there we have it:
The referendum vote cannot be overturned except by the Government who can refuse to be bound by it.
Parliament must enact a bill to agree to Article 50 being invoked.
Any negotiations will be between the UK Government and The EU.
Anyone trying to fillibuster will be seen as being opposed to democracy within its definition in the UK political process.
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A near 400 member majority in the Commons yesterday puts pay to any doubt that Brexit is well and truly on the way. Hurrah Bremoaners !
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A near 400 member majority in the Commons yesterday puts pay to any doubt that Brexit is well and truly on the way. Hurrah Bremoaners !
...but what exactly is brexit ?
Inflation is already on the up.
Wages are stagnated.
Businesses are relocating.
New trade deals take time to deliver, and can't start until brexit terms are agreed with the EU Countries.
...and if May is seriously thinking she can get a deal which is as good as being in the EU without being in it , she is even more round the twist than she acts.
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...but what exactly is brexit ?
Inflation is already on the up.
Wages are stagnated.
Businesses are relocating.
New trade deals take time to deliver, and can't start until brexit terms are agreed with the EU Countries.
...and if May is seriously thinking she can get a deal which is as good as being in the EU without being in it , she is even more round the twist than she acts.
It's kind of like a Yeti or a Sasquatch; every one is talking about it but no one has actually seen one or has much idea what one looks like.
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Apparently, some stupid woman on Question Time last night said she changed her vote to leave in the referendum after seeing a straight banana in a supermarket.
*&*%£ %&5%£ %&5%£ %&5%£
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Apparently, some stupid woman on Question Time last night said she changed her vote to leave in the referendum after seeing a straight banana in a supermarket.
*&*%£ %&5%£ %&5%£ %&5%£
That is not surprising.
Looking at some of the small print that David Davies is dropping out some folk are in for a shock should they be fortunate enough to live that long.
It is best not to watch Question Time. It's the same tired old format Lefty Righty Middly politicos; lefty or righty writer a professional comedian and an advertised for audience. Just like the Freddie Grisewood chaired Steam Radio jobby of years ago. Whatever happened to Russell "bring in the troops" Braddon I wonder?....replaced by Mel Phillips? and where did she go?. Central Weekened Live when it was on was much more entertaining.
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That is not surprising.
Looking at some of the small print that David Davies is dropping out some folk are in for a shock should they be fortunate enough to live that long.
It is best not to watch Question Time. It's the same tired old format Lefty Righty Middly politicos; lefty or righty writer a professional comedian and an advertised for audience. Just like the Freddie Grisewood chaired Steam Radio jobby of years ago. Whatever happened to Russell "bring in the troops" Braddon I wonder?....replaced by Mel Phillips? and where did she go?. Central Weekened Live when it was on was much more entertaining.
So, what you are saying is Questions Time isn't a comedy? FFS aww. I voted brexit because my Romain lettice wasn't from Romania! I mean It's just not on, trying to con me like that.