Author Topic: Could an intruder have opened the shutter and climbed in the window?  (Read 414057 times)

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AnneGuedes

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Re: Could an intruder have opened the shutter and climbed in the window?
« Reply #315 on: November 29, 2013, 07:51:45 PM »
Nope. I'm asking on what basis Amaral and Moita Flores are asserting this. They are basing their assertions on the publicly available files, aren't they?
Either they know how to read fingerprints or they were informed by a specialist.

AnneGuedes

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Re: Could an intruder have opened the shutter and climbed in the window?
« Reply #316 on: November 29, 2013, 07:52:45 PM »

Although he is an expert, IMO there is one mistake,
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AnneGuedes

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Re: Could an intruder have opened the shutter and climbed in the window?
« Reply #317 on: November 29, 2013, 07:55:47 PM »
If it were me I'm not sure I'd come forward, and especially not if I saw Crimewatch. Would you want to risk this country's newspapers learning your name and address?
But Innocentman wasn't identified, we only know from him that he keeps rotten pyjamas for years, we don't even know how he carried his child, nor where he stayed, nor why he went around PDL..

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Re: Could an intruder have opened the shutter and climbed in the window?
« Reply #318 on: November 29, 2013, 07:57:44 PM »
If you have watched the Verdade video, what the expert is demonstrating, based on what is claimed to be the exact identification location and orientation of prints, is that KM certainly opened the window.

Although he is an expert, IMO there is one mistake, which makes the conclusion, that KM opened the window, completely incorrect.

 Actually KM is telling the truth when she says she found the window already opened, IMO.

 'KM is telling the truth'

I find that difficult to believe.
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Lyall

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Re: Could an intruder have opened the shutter and climbed in the window?
« Reply #319 on: November 29, 2013, 08:05:15 PM »
But Innocentman wasn't identified, we only know from him that he keeps rotten pyjamas for years, we don't even know how he carried his child, nor where he stayed, nor why he went around PDL..

True, but he was seen by a friend of the McCanns. The 10pm man wasn't. The newspapers demonstrably are happy to accept everything said about 9.15 at face value, because they don't want to go back to 2007/8 and risk the legal repercussions of asking questions about people who are well protected. But there's no such concern about the people involved at 10pm.

If I were 10pm man I wouldn't come forward unless I had legal protection that could guarantee the same anonymity as 9.15 man.

Offline pegasus

Re: Could an intruder have opened the shutter and climbed in the window?
« Reply #320 on: November 29, 2013, 08:51:41 PM »
'KM is telling the truth'

I find that difficult to believe.
In another part of the Verdade video, a child wakes up. The video gives no specific reason for waking up. IMO the obvious cause for this is the noise of someone opening the shutter.

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Re: Could an intruder have opened the shutter and climbed in the window?
« Reply #321 on: November 29, 2013, 09:24:04 PM »
In another part of the Verdade video, a child wakes up. The video gives no specific reason for waking up. IMO the obvious cause for this is the noise of someone opening the shutter.

Gerry or Kate?
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Offline pegasus

Re: Could an intruder have opened the shutter and climbed in the window?
« Reply #322 on: November 29, 2013, 09:41:04 PM »
Gerry or Kate?
IMO no.
Window and shutter are opened from outside by a person who thinks everyone is out, and is intending to climb in steal money cameras etc, but doesn't climb in, because he gets scared by suddenly seeing/hearing that not everyone is out, so he flees empty-handed. IMO.

Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: Could an intruder have opened the shutter and climbed in the window?
« Reply #323 on: November 29, 2013, 10:55:12 PM »
I don't think that Smithman as an innocent outsider will be found. I don't think he will be found as an abductor (the author of a planned abduction) as well, as he was walking and taking risks to be spotted.
The only chance for Smithman is to be a local man who found Madeleine outside and lost. But who ?

So why hasn't he come forward?  Or been approached and interviewed by local police?

And if he found her lost why didn't he take her to the police station?

AnneGuedes

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Re: Could an intruder have opened the shutter and climbed in the window?
« Reply #324 on: November 29, 2013, 11:17:11 PM »
True, but he was seen by a friend of the McCanns. The 10pm man wasn't. The newspapers demonstrably are happy to accept everything said about 9.15 at face value, because they don't want to go back to 2007/8 and risk the legal repercussions of asking questions about people who are well protected. But there's no such concern about the people involved at 10pm.

If I were 10pm man I wouldn't come forward unless I had legal protection that could guarantee the same anonymity as 9.15 man.
I understand what you mean, Lyall, but now things are different, aren't they ? 10pm man could be Rightman, couldn't he ?
I think the PJ inquired in the village and got people talk. SY reached to the same conclusion than the PJ, by other means and with more respect for the sighter, but all the same Tannerman was a fake.
SY's explanation will convince me only when told the time, the route and the way (and reason for the way) of carrying (because I still think Ms Tanner saw something).
The fact it took 2 years and a half to SY to reach the conclusion of the PJ turns the wish of joined troops rather hilarious.

Offline Carana

Re: Could an intruder have opened the shutter and climbed in the window?
« Reply #325 on: November 30, 2013, 09:29:40 AM »
Either they know how to read fingerprints or they were informed by a specialist.

After his "we policemen, experts, say that the cadaver was frozen or preserved in the cold..." statement, I'm somewhat sceptical about it.

The report would have noted it, in theory, if that had been the case, don't you think? The photo is just of isolated prints for identification purposes.


AnneGuedes

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Re: Could an intruder have opened the shutter and climbed in the window?
« Reply #326 on: November 30, 2013, 12:18:57 PM »
After his "we policemen, experts, say that the cadaver was frozen or preserved in the cold..." statement, I'm somewhat sceptical about it.

The report would have noted it, in theory, if that had been the case, don't you think? The photo is just of isolated prints for identification purposes.
What has a frozen corpse to do with fingerprints ?
The interest of these fingerprints is mainly that they were the only ones : no stranger opened the window and may be nobody opened it as well. Mrs McCann might have first tried to do it then thought that call for help was better.

AnneGuedes

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Re: Could an intruder have opened the shutter and climbed in the window?
« Reply #327 on: November 30, 2013, 12:34:11 PM »
So why hasn't he come forward?  Or been approached and interviewed by local police?

And if he found her lost why didn't he take her to the police station?
That's what he intented to do because he didn't understand what she was saying and he couldn't see from where she came. He soon realised that she was afraid and was going to scream. He was even more frightened, he put his hand on her face, he was in a panic. She calmed down. He remembered there was a medical centre and decided to take her there, but it was closed. He took her to his place and waited for the morning to come. He then would know what to do. When he finally fell asleep he had a terrible nightmare that woke him up, he understood that horror was real. He opened the door and heard something had happened, unusual noises were flying in the air. He stayed at home all day, there was only one way to escape, he needed the dead of night.

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Re: Could an intruder have opened the shutter and climbed in the window?
« Reply #328 on: November 30, 2013, 04:52:57 PM »
That's what he intented to do because he didn't understand what she was saying and he couldn't see from where she came. He soon realised that she was afraid and was going to scream. He was even more frightened, he put his hand on her face, he was in a panic. She calmed down. He remembered there was a medical centre and decided to take her there, but it was closed. He took her to his place and waited for the morning to come. He then would know what to do. When he finally fell asleep he had a terrible nightmare that woke him up, he understood that horror was real. He opened the door and heard something had happened, unusual noises were flying in the air. He stayed at home all day, there was only one way to escape, he needed the dead of night.

All conjecture, isn't it?

And why would he in a panic before he did anything wrong? And Madeleine, in the company of a panicking stranger with his hand over her mouth, decides to calm down?

AnneGuedes

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Re: Could an intruder have opened the shutter and climbed in the window?
« Reply #329 on: November 30, 2013, 05:11:53 PM »
All conjecture, isn't it?

And why would he in a panic before he did anything wrong? And Madeleine, in the company of a panicking stranger with his hand over her mouth, decides to calm down?
Conjecture of course, but not implausible.
"calm down" is metaphorical.