Could an intruder have opened the shutter and climbed in the window?

[pegasus]

In Verdade film reason for climbing up is hearing chat which is very close to beneath lounge window.

Moving the chat over the road and south would negate the climb up theory.

[sadie]

That day was better weather than the other days. No gusts of wind moved that door IMO. You only have to look at Gerry's first statement saying the door was half-open which was the usual. So when Matt came in at 9.30 and found it half-open that's exactly the way it was left. Only in Gerry's 2nd statement the door was found to be unusual being found half-open. Before you sign a statement you read it to see if everything is ok. Contradictions like this and using the front door key and then changing it to using unlocked patio door stand out as big discrepancies to investigators.

There were 20mph gusts that night pathfinder.  Official records posted earlier on this forum confirm that.

Do you have any scientific knowledge about gusts and how a 20 mph gust might have affected that door?

In this instance, I am asking for facts, not thoughts, please

[pathfinder73]

Sadie if 20 mph winds were coming through that window then the door would be slammed shut and not open when Kate arrived.

[sadie]

How can using a key to the door be a translation error to using the unlocked patio door? It's easy for anyone to say it's a translation error.

My understanding is that the patio door only locked from the inside.  If that is the case it is unlikely that it would lock with a lose key, cos no keyhole.

We have travelled extensively, business and pleasure, and in our experience all the patio doors that only lock from the inside have a slider that locks them, just on the inside.  No key


Please correct me if I am wrong about the door not locking from the outside, but I think I am remembering correctly.

[John]

My understanding is that the patio door only locked from the inside.  If that is the case it is unlikely that it would lock with a lose key, cos no keyhole.

We have travelled extensively, business and pleasure, and in our experience all the patio doors that only lock from the inside have a slider that locks them, just on the inside.  No key


Please correct me if I am wrong about the door not locking from the outside, but I think I am remembering correctly.

The patio door did not have a keyhole thus no key, it locked only from the inside.  Any patrons wishing to leave their apartment secure will lock the patio door from the inside before leaving via the front door which did have a key operated locking mechanism.

[Mr Gray]

Which file? Gerry, Jane's or Jez's?

 Almost certainly none of them will have exactly what Gerry said...thats why uk police use audio recording

[pegasus]

Looking at "dragons blood" photos in the files, IMO......

On the lounge patio door: many prints, of those the only identifiable one was of a GNR officer.
On the bedroom shutter: many prints, none identifiable.
On the bedroom window: many prints, of those the only identifiable ones were of KM.

The allegation, that the locations of KMs prints on the window are  "indicating that she opened the window", is false IMO.
 

[Heriberto Janosch]

Hi all,

I am leaving the Madeleine case, and wrote here the reasons why ... http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com ...

Even though I'd like to know if it is possible (and how) to obtain information about a Portugal mobile phone number. Directories, inverse searching and the like ...

Do you know how to proceed?

Thanks. Heri.

[stephen25000]

Hi all,

I am leaving the Madeleine case, and wrote here the reasons why ... http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com ...

Even though I'd like to know if it is possible (and how) to obtain information about a Portugal mobile phone number. Directories, inverse searching and the like ...

Do you know how to proceed? (the phone number is in the picture).

Thanks. Heri.

Deja vu..............

Proof of abduction ?

[Mr Gray]

Deja vu..............

Proof of abduction ?

no proof but certainly evidence...do you know the difference

[John]

Hi all,

I am leaving the Madeleine case, and wrote here the reasons why ... http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com ...

Even though I'd like to know if it is possible (and how) to obtain information about a Portugal mobile phone number. Directories, inverse searching and the like ...

Do you know how to proceed? (the phone number is in the picture).

Thanks. Heri.

Sorry to hear that you have given up Heri.  Before you go I want to mention the following claims you have made...

"I am also almost sure of the following: (a) Jane Tanner saw the abductor with Madeleine at about 21:50; (b) members of the Smith family saw the abductor with Madeleine at about 22:00; (c) the abduction was not planned, it was a burglary that gone wrong; (d) the abductor opened Madeleine's room window from the outside; (e) at least an Ocean Club employee was involved in the abduction (see "A QUESTION" in the right column)."

Firstly, (a) Jane never claimed to have seen any abductor at 9.50pm.  (b) There is no evidence that any member of the Smith family saw an abductor, they saw a man carrying a child. (c) Burglars are petty thieves and as such are only interested in items which they can readily be disposed of.  Secondly, burglars are not in the habit of stealing children.  If Madeleine was abducted it was as a result of a planned operation.  (d) There is no evidence one way or another as to who opened the children's bedroom window or how. (e) Your contention that a member of the staff at Ocean Club was involved is pure speculation, without evidence it is meaningless.

[stephen25000]

no proof but certainly evidence...do you know the difference

Pray tell, what evidence ?

N.B. Someone seen carrying a child is nae evidence.

[Mr Gray]

Pray tell, what evidence ?

N.B. Someone seen carrying a child is nae evidence.

 Yes it is...not good evidence but it is evidence...witness statements are also evidence

[stephen25000]

Yes it is...not good evidence but it is evidence...witness statements are also evidence

It's no evidence at all, seeing a child being carried, pure supposition which would be laughed out of court.

[Mr Gray]

It's no evidence at all, seeing a child being carried, pure supposition which would be laughed out of court.

whatever the court thought of it ..it would be classed as evidence