Could an intruder have opened the shutter and climbed in the window?

[Eleanor]

We do know that the shutters can be raised from outside.  And we don't know if the window was locked.

[Montclair]

We do know that the shutters can be raised from outside.  And we don't know if the window was locked.

Do you have any idea how much noise those shutters make? If those shutters were closed all the way down, with no spaces between the slats, there is no way they could be raised from the outside. Therefore, I don't know where you get your information.

[Eleanor]

Do you have any idea how much noise those shutters make? If those shutters were closed all the way down, with no spaces between the slats, there is no way they could be raised from the outside. Therefore, I don't know where you get your information.

There are identical shutters close by to my house, and I am completely unaware when they are raised or lowered.

[Brietta]

Do you have any idea how much noise those shutters make? If those shutters were closed all the way down, with no spaces between the slats, there is no way they could be raised from the outside. Therefore, I don't know where you get your information.

You are wrong Montclair.

There is a record of Heri raising shutters of the type, sliding the window opening and completing raising the shutter using the interior cord.

 - SNIP - "So how can you open the window from the outside and avoid them falling again, without harming nothing? It is possible, if the glass doors are not locked.

You have to do the following steps:

1. Raise from outside the shutters to from half to three quarters of the window height.
2. Mantain the shutters in this position with your left hand.
3. If the left glass door (seen from outside) is closed, open it to the right ...
4. Always maintaining the shutters with your left hand, introduce your right hand to catch the cord and gently open the shutters as usual …

Heriberto Janosch González
Original photographs courtesy Pamalam.
http://exposingthemyths.blogspot.co.uk/2012/02/mechanism-of-roller-shutters.html

There is also Pat Brown's video of her visit to Luz in which Peter Mac carries out a demonstration of the same excercise.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeuMzyaCnnY

[pegasus]

1. Raise from outside the shutters to from half to three quarters of the window height.
2. Maintain the shutters in this position with your left hand.
3. If the left glass door (seen from outside) is closed, open it to the right ...
4. Always maintaining the shutters with your left hand, introduce your right hand to catch the cord and gently open the shutters as usual …

Watch Heri demonstrate
Start at 0:14 and finish at 0:40
It takes only 25 seconds to get shutter and window open from outside.

[Montclair]

Watch Heri demonstrate
Start at 0:14 and finish at 0:40
It takes only 25 seconds to get shutter and window open from outside.
http://youtu.be/fzpniKAWvUI?t=14s

This can only be done if the shutters are not fully closed all the way down and it seems that the shutters were tightly closed with no light coming through. Even so, pushing them up makes a lot of noise.

[pegasus]

@heriberto just a suggestion - publish a second version of this video, edited down to show just the  opening method.
by removing the first section from 0 to 14 seconds (it is unneccesary to triplicate the initial lifting of the shutter),
and removing the section after 40 seconds (which is not part of the opening method).
I think it important to allow people to see your excellent opening method demonstration, in isolation, and not combined with the seperate conjecture of what happened next.
Presenting an "opening method only" version of the video, by editing out the first and last sections, leaving only the section starting at 14 seconds and ending at 40 seconds, would enable people to better understand the opening method itself, I think.

[ferryman]

You are wrong Montclair.

There is a record of Heri raising shutters of the type, sliding the window opening and completing raising the shutter using the interior cord.

 - SNIP - "So how can you open the window from the outside and avoid them falling again, without harming nothing? It is possible, if the glass doors are not locked.

You have to do the following steps:

1. Raise from outside the shutters to from half to three quarters of the window height.
2. Mantain the shutters in this position with your left hand.
3. If the left glass door (seen from outside) is closed, open it to the right ...
4. Always maintaining the shutters with your left hand, introduce your right hand to catch the cord and gently open the shutters as usual …

Heriberto Janosch González
Original photographs courtesy Pamalam.
http://exposingthemyths.blogspot.co.uk/2012/02/mechanism-of-roller-shutters.html

There is also Pat Brown's video of her visit to Luz in which Peter Mac carries out a demonstration of the same excercise.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeuMzyaCnnY

A real thorn in the side of truth-deniers is Heri.

Bless him!

[pegasus]

From another thread:

This can only be done if the shutters are not fully closed all the way down and it seems that the shutters were tightly closed with no light coming through.

I think it can be done easily when the shutters are fully closed. The 5A shutters have no locking mechanism. There are plenty of places outside to get enough grasp of the fully closed shutter, to raise it a little (which is part one of the opening method).

Even so, pushing them up makes a lot of noise.

Agreed, and if someone is asleep in the room it may wake them up. But why dismiss the opening method because of that?

[Montclair]

From another thread:I think it can be done easily when the shutters are fully closed. The 5A shutters have no locking mechanism. There are plenty of places outside to get enough grasp of the fully closed shutter, to raise it a little (which is part one of the opening method).Agreed, and if someone is asleep in the room it may wake them up. But why dismiss the opening method because of that?

If the shutters are closed all the way you can't get your hand underneath to push them up and even then you can't if there are no spaces between the slats. You say there are plenty of place outside to get a grasp. What are these places because I don't see any on any of my shutters or any of my neighbours. I am dismissing the opening method because if the shutters are tightly closed, no way that they can be opened from the outside. Believe what you want.

[pegasus]

If the shutters are closed all the way you can't get your hand underneath to push them up and even then you can't if there are no spaces between the slats. You say there are plenty of place outside to get a grasp. What are these places because I don't see any on any of my shutters or any of my neighbours. I am dismissing the opening method because if the shutters are tightly closed, no way that they can be opened from the outside. Believe what you want.

I think this can be done by first inserting fingernails between the base of the shutter and the sill.
Or by inserting fingernails between any two slats near the base of the shutter.

[John]

I think this can be done by first inserting fingernails between the base of the shutter and the sill.
Or by inserting fingernails between any two slats near the base of the shutter.

That's correct, the shutter actually rest on the concrete window sill so all you have to do is push your fingers underneath the bottom slat and raise it or alternatively grab hold of one or both of the rubber bumpers at the bottom and lift it.

[Montclair]

I think this can be done by first inserting fingernails between the base of the shutter and the sill.
Or by inserting fingernails between any two slats near the base of the shutter.

If the shutters are tightly closed there is no space between the shutter and the sill and there is no space between the slats. You can't open them with your fingernails.

[John]

As far as I can see those shutters don't have the snib locking mechanism at the bottom which mine have in Spain which allows them to be locked down tight.  Consequently they are simply sitting on the sill by gravity and are easily lifted.

[pegasus]

As far as I can see those shutters don't have the snib locking mechanism at the bottom which mine have in Spain which allows them to be locked down tight.  Consequently they are simply sitting on the sill by gravity and are easily lifted.

Agreed. Photos of the 5A window show that the shutters have no locking mechanism.

And yes, thanks for pointing out the rubber bumpers, from outside one can simply grab them to raise shutter.