Could an intruder have opened the shutter and climbed in the window?

[sadie]

What is wrong with her being in the apartment?   Why does she have to be outside it?  I don't get that.  Do you really think she was cool, calm and collected at that time?  According to the witnesses she was in the most terrible state and probably didn't know what she doing herself half the time.  IIRC it wasn't until the next day she realised the bruising on her hands etc were caused when she was hitting out (at the railings?) in her anguish.

Your expectations of how parents who had just been plunged into every parents worst nightmare would/should repond is completely unrealistic IMO.

   Well said Benice

Totally unrealistic and very uncaring.  No empathy.

[G-Unit]

Yes.
But if you were out you wouldn't even hear the knock.
It's a common burglar's check.

If they knocked gently, as you said, I still might not hear it. Then we'd both get a surprise.

[Mr Gray]

SY have found nothing.

FACT.

that is not a fact.....it may be true...we do not know

[pegasus]

If they knocked gently, as you said, I still might not hear it. Then we'd both get a surprise.

If you was a young child in bed and there was a knock on front door would you answer it?

[pegasus]

But Pegasus

You keep ignoring the obvious way in and out.

Via the Front door with a key and an accomplis.

Dont forget, the front dooir light was broken - hanging I think
The front door was completely hidden out of sight, no-one passed by and ... it was in utter blackness.

Key in the lock. turn it, push door open using the key.
On exit, pull the front door closed using the key again

NO FINGERPRINTS.

If someone had entered through the front door, that person would also depart through the front door.
And then KM would have found the shutter and window closed.

I am trusting in KM's statement that the shutter and window were open.
Also trusting her statement that no-one had checked if the window was locked.
Also trusting statements of a few other group members who found some windows in their apartments were unlocked.

[Brietta]

If someone had entered through the front door, that person would also depart through the front door.
And then KM would have found the shutter and window closed.

I am trusting in KM's statement that the shutter and window were open.
Also trusting her statement that no-one had checked if the window was locked.
Also trusting statements of a few other group members who found some windows in their apartments were unlocked.

There is no way of knowing why the shutter was raised and the window opened.  A variety of reasons can be speculated but until the PJ and SY ask the question of the relevant person we can't know the reason.

[G-Unit]

If you was a young child in bed and there was a knock on front door would you answer it?

Of course not.

[mercury]

Quite. First you have to establish that the child was actually abducted then you theorise about how it was accomplished.

ABC, 123 is normally the most sensible sequence, agree

[G-Unit]

If someone had entered through the front door, that person would also depart through the front door.
And then KM would have found the shutter and window closed.

I am trusting in KM's statement that the shutter and window were open.
Also trusting her statement that no-one had checked if the window was locked.
Also trusting statements of a few other group members who found some windows in their apartments were unlocked.

is there any particular reason why you are trusting KM's statement about the shutter and window?

[mercury]

  Well said Benice

Totally unrealistic and very uncaring.  No empathy.

Empathy is having feeling for someone ....if anybody doesnt believe the Mccanns, for whatever reason, its the logical and natural response to NOT empathise

Ie Why don't you have empathy for G Amaral?

Empathy is not a blank cheque moral requirement of anybody

Does that make sense?

Being considered innocent before proven otherwise is a totally different kettle of fish IMO, perhaps you confuse the two?

The Mccanns have done themselves little favours over time in so many ways and I don't think you or anyone can preach to people/dengrate them

[pegasus]

is there any particular reason why you are trusting KM's statement about the shutter and window?

Because the technical design of the shutter and window makes it probable they were easy to open from outside without force.
And because the scene described in that room (open window and shutter and door, and absence of child from that room) is exactly what would inevitably result if the window and shutter were opened from outside.

Therefore the crime scene description of this room by this witness is 100% truthful IMO.
(However I disagree with some of the witness's amateur deductions about the exact sequence which caused that scene).

It is important to seperate crime scene description by witness (truthful fact), from amateur deduction by witness (often incorrect) IMO.

[mercury]

There is no evidence the window was open allowing a burglar, even if he could raise the shutters, to gain entry

The Mccanns have said they never touched that window at all, ever, so unless the cleaners left it open, before their arrival, how did this happen?

And what about parental checks? Why didnt the parents ensure all was locked? Before venturing out and leaving three babies.??

[G-Unit]

Because the technical design of the shutter and window makes it probable they were easy to open from outside without force.
And because the scene described in that room (open window and shutter and door, and absence of child from that room) is exactly what would inevitably result if the window and shutter were opened from outside.

Therefore the crime scene description of this room by this witness is 100% truthful IMO.
(However I disagree with some of the witness's amateur deductions about the exact sequence which caused that scene).

It is important to seperate crime scene description by witness (truthful fact), from amateur deduction by witness (often incorrect) IMO.

So you're assuming that the witness was telling the truth. I see.

[pegasus]

So you're assuming that the witness was telling the truth. I see.

Not assuming anything, I worked it out.
The crime-scene description by the witness fits with the hard evidence in this room G-Unit.
For example do you realise that this window does not auto-lock?

[pegasus]

There is no evidence the window was open allowing a burglar, even if he could raise the shutters, to gain entry

The Mccanns have said they never touched that window at all, ever, so unless the cleaners left it open, before their arrival, how did this happen?

And what about parental checks? Why didnt the parents ensure all was locked? Before venturing out and leaving three babies.??

IMO a person opened it from outside but never entered, Mercury.  The reason is obvious.

And before you assume the window was locked - have you read the T7 rogs - about some windows being not locked ?