Could an intruder have opened the shutter and climbed in the window?

[faithlilly]

Mark Bridger was intelligent was he?  If you say so.

He would certainly have known there was a good chance he would be caught.

[Alfred R Jones]

He would certainly have known there was a good chance he would be caught.

Yes, that is my point, well done for underlining it.  However your thinly disguised attempt to turn this around as evidence that the McCanns dunnit is somewhat undermined by the fact that Bridger's lifestyle choices and behaviour contrast rather sharply with those of the objects of your opprobrium:

The college drop-out had drifted through a series of jobs, including an unsuccessful stint with the London Fire Brigade. After moving to Wales following a row with his family in Surrey, he worked as a life guard, a slaughter house worker and in forestry – an occupation which gave him specialist knowledge of the tracks and hills surrounding the market town.

[Alfred R Jones]

Not only that, but people like Bridger DELIBERATELY set out to commit a heinous crime such as rape, abduction and murder despite the risks involved, something which only the most barmy conspiracy theorist would believe of the McCanns.

[faithlilly]

Yes, that is my point, well done for underlining it.  However your thinly disguised attempt to turn this around as evidence that the McCanns dunnit is somewhat undermined by the fact that Bridger's lifestyle choices and behaviour contrast rather sharply with those of the objects of your opprobrium:

Then let me introduce you to Ted Bundy Alfie.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Bundy

[pegasus]

Noise when the abductor raised the shutter
Noise when The Mccanns (in your mind) raised the shutter.
What's the difference as far as noise is concerned?
Nobody that we know of heard the noise. 
Why?
Because it was an everyday sound that was happening all around.  The mind didn't acknowledge the noise, it was too mundane.

"Nobody that we know of heard the noise."
But Sadie what about the important witness who was never interviewed by the police who was just a few metres away?   

[sadie]

"Nobody that we know of heard the noise."
But Sadie what about the important witness who was never interviewed by the police who was just a few metres away?

Who was that?

[pegasus]

Who was that?

The most important witness of all Sadie.
Who almost certainly IMO heard the shutter being raised all the way up.
At about 3 metres with no intervening wall or glass it is rather likely isn't it?

[sadie]

The most important witness of all Sadie.
Who almost certainly IMO heard the shutter being raised all the way up.
At about 3 metres with no intervening wall or glass it is rather likely isn't it?

.... and who was that?

[Alfred R Jones]

Then let me introduce you to Ted Bundy Alfie.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Bundy

FFS. What point are you trying to make? 

[pegasus]

.... and who was that?

The most important witness of all is the missing child.
Who never was interviewed by police.
Who at a distance of 3 metres with no intervening wall or glass is highly likely to have heard the shutter being fully raised.

[sadie]

The most important witness of all is the missing child.
Who never was interviewed by police.
Who at a distance of 3 metres with no intervening wall or glass is highly likely to have heard the shutter being fully raised.

Oh Pegasus, you make me laugh.

But you do some really good work.  I like you.

[pegasus]

Oh Pegasus, you make me laugh.

While the shutter was being fully raised, the child was about 3 metres from the shutter.
Can we agree on that much?

[sadie]

Pegasus, my post was in response to Briettas post below

You have as usual made a very valid point, Sadie.

Why would an abductor raising the shutter waken and alert everyone in Praia da Luz ... but no-one would be able to hear Madeleine McCann's parents allegedly performing the same action.

When Dr McCann was outside, trying to raise it after lowering it ... did anyone who happened to be passing remark on the event?

You are quite correct that Madeleine was close by  ... and the twins even closer

BUT you are jumping a great big hurdle by making huge assumptions that Madeleine heard the shutter being opened.

Yet the twins did not?



If you remember, it was Madeleine who was shattered that night. 
She was so tired that she had to be carried home and was in bed first it seems, with the twins, I think from ?Kates? description sitting on her bed to hear the story.
Are you claiming that she who was furthest away and the most sleepy heard the intruder, but not the twins?


Of course they may all have been given a sleeping draught with their meal,.  That we do not know.

[Alice Purjorick]

Why risk breaking into a house and stealing a fully conscious child from her bath, a child that could also scream like a banshee?  Why break into a dormitory full of sleeping children, rape and murder one of them, when at any moment one or more of the others could have woken up and screamed like a banshee?  Perhaps the high risk factors involved are part of the thrill?  Crazily illogical thought I realise.

Did these people run around laying false trails for the investigating officers after the event before leaving the building?
Brietta's more or less thesis is that the "abductor" in the McCann case did just that. I think it highly improbable.
More like in and out like Flynn.

[Alfred R Jones]

Did these people run around laying false trails for the investigating officers after the event before leaving the building?
Brietta's more or less thesis is that the "abductor" in the McCann case did just that. I think it highly improbable.
More like in and out like Flynn.

I agree - shock, horror!