Could an intruder have opened the shutter and climbed in the window?

[G-Unit]

From that video, I am surmising that Madeleine was assumed to have been on or very close to the bed in front of the window, otherwise he could not have  reached her

There's a lot of difference between an inanimate object (was that a pillow?) and a child.

[Alice Purjorick]

There's a lot of difference between an inanimate object (was that a pillow?) and a child.

According to Alf she weighed 28kg!
28lb more like but still a fair to weight to lift at arms length. See guides on manual handling.

As I understood it and from the photos there is an internal central locking CDA on the window that cannot be overridden from outside. So the window must have been left open.

[Alfred R Jones]

According to Alf she weighed 28kg!
28lb more like but still a fair to weight to lift at arms length. See guides on manual handling.

As I understood it and from the photos there is an internal central locking CDA on the window that cannot be overridden from outside. So the window must have been left open.

No, I said I was under the impression it had been decided by forumistas that she was 28kg but I did concede I may have been mistaken, please get it right.

[misty]

According to Alf she weighed 28kg!
28lb more like but still a fair to weight to lift at arms length. See guides on manual handling.

As I understood it and from the photos there is an internal central locking CDA on the window that cannot be overridden from outside. So the window must have been left open.

I wonder if Mrs Fenn's window was also unlocked when she was intruded upon?

[pathfinder73]

Indeed, Being possible doesn't mean that something actually happened.

If those shutters weren't  touched by anybody the investigators may have found they weren't marked on the outside and therefore were raised from the inside. But the crime scene was compromised so we don't know.

[G-Unit]

According to Alf she weighed 28kg!
28lb more like but still a fair to weight to lift at arms length. See guides on manual handling.

As I understood it and from the photos there is an internal central locking CDA on the window that cannot be overridden from outside. So the window must have been left open.

Height would also have been a difficulty. You can't lift a child and angle her through a window like Heri angled his pillow. The child's legs would dangle and scrape on the window ledge, wouldn't they?

[pathfinder73]

Height would also have been a difficulty. You can't lift a child and angle her through a window like Heri angled his pillow. The child's legs would dangle and scrape on the window ledge, wouldn't they?

Of course that didn't happen. Look at the child's bed. If she was in it she was carefully lifted from it. You go away from danger in that dark scary room not towards it. That window is very narrow and wouldn't be so easy to get through - definitely not with a child unless you passed her to an accomplice.  You would have to be crazy to open those noisy shutters if you didn't enter that way. The front recessed door is the safer exit. No need to naff about!

[Alice Purjorick]

No, I said I was under the impression it had been decided by forumistas that she was 28kg but I did concede I may have been mistaken, please get it right.

No comment on the substance of my post then?

[Alfred R Jones]

No comment on the substance of my post then?

As you often pluck a short phrase or word from others' posts to extemporize on in your inimitably pedantic fashion, I think you've got some cheek asking that question.  I commented only to correct the false impression you gave regarding what I had said earlier.

[pegasus]

Of course that didn't happen. Look at the child's bed. If she was in it she was carefully lifted from it. You go away from danger in that dark scary room not towards it. That window is very narrow and wouldn't be so easy to get through - definitely not with a child unless you passed her to an accomplice.  You would have to be crazy to open those noisy shutters if you didn't enter that way. The front recessed door is the safer exit. No need to naff about!

"You would have to be crazy to open those noisy shutters if you didn't enter that way."

I'm adding 2 words to that
"You would have to be crazy to open those noisy shutters if you didn't intend to enter that way."

[pathfinder73]

"You would have to be crazy to open those noisy shutters if you didn't enter that way."

I'm adding 2 words to that
"You would have to be crazy to open those noisy shutters if you didn't intend to enter that way."

And it couldn't be Madeleine who do it but she's gone.

[mercury]

"You would have to be crazy to open those noisy shutters if you didn't enter that way."

I'm adding 2 words to that
"You would have to be crazy to open those noisy shutters if you didn't intend to enter that way."

Why?People have said you hear that noise all the time, so not a suspect noise at all unless you are talking about something else

[Brietta]

Why?People have said you hear that noise all the time, so not a suspect noise at all unless you are talking about something else

In a town where every window and patio door had shutters it would be unlikely that anyone would take any notice of the noise ... it would be the equivalent of a car door closing where I live,  it would be unusual to bother with it or even look out to see.

[pegasus]

And it couldn't be Madeleine who do it but she's gone.

IMO someone opened the shutter from outside because he intended to enter that way.
An intended action is not necessarily completed Pathfinder.
What if immediately after opening the shutter he was suddenly disturbed by another person a few metres away?
Obviously he would then abandon his intended action of climbing in.

[misty]

IMO someone opened the shutter from outside because he intended to enter that way.
An intended action is not necessarily completed Pathfinder.
What if immediately after opening the shutter the person was disturbed by another person a few metres away?
Obviously he would then abandon his intended action of climbing in.

Would an opportunist intruder lift a shutter knowing that the window behind it could be locked?