Could an intruder have opened the shutter and climbed in the window?

[mercury]

The document I read got its information from the witness IMO.
As well as a noise it also mentions did I recall a stairgate?

wHich document is that? dOnt know why you're not linking to it TBH instead of leaving readers wondering lol, see you, will check tomorrow

Having done a quick scour of MOs interviews and others in search, came across MO saying in his 10 May statement they drank "unusually high" (for them) amounts of alcohol...interesting..never spotted that before, I do wonder sometimes what effect if any, if true, this had on the whole evening and the next day, both action and memory wise, Gnite all

[pegasus]

wHich document is that? ...(snip)

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P4/04_VOLUME_IVa_Page_890.jpg

"MO enters flat, hears a sound in the children's bedroom that is probably one of the twins rolling over in their cot"

[mercury]

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P4/04_VOLUME_IVa_Page_890.jpg

"MO enters flat, hears a sound in the children's bedroom that is probably one of the twins rolling over in their cot"

Thanks, CR seems to have some pattern of inventing info?? That is in none of their statements?? Why?
Kate ran over to open the curtains?
Jane tanner didn't see the top of the child well but had pink top on?
Now Oldfield heard a noise?
All from CR joint statements which begs the question why they agreed it and presented it to the police!
Bye now

[pegasus]

Thanks, CR seems to have some pattern of inventing info?? That is in none of their statements?? Why?
Kate ran over to open the curtains?
Jane tanner didn't see the top of the child well but had pink top on?
Now Oldfield heard a noise?
All from CR joint statements which begs the question why they agreed it and presented it to the police!
Bye now

T9 statements direct to PJ 4th/10th May were transcribed in portuguese and the original english never written down.

But the document I posted is original english with no translation and no translation errors so it is more accurate.

[mercury]

T9 statements direct to PJ 4th/10th May were transcribed in portuguese and the original english never written down.

But the document I posted is original english with no translation and no translation errors so it is more accurate.

depends what you mean by accurate seeing as three statements given in that English CRG joint statement differ from three English TV statements by The same people, Tanner Gerald and Kate,so which one of these two English versions is more accurate? The CRG group statements or the TV interviews?

regarding what Tanner saw, (bottom of pyjamas not the top)  where Gerald was when he spoke to Jez (Opposite side of the road and not by the gate) and how the curtains came to be open by Kate,(opened by the wind and not her running over to open them) 
Sources:, Panorama BBC Jane Tanner interview, Madeleine Was Here, C4, K and G Mccann

 &%+((£

[pathfinder73]

Your theory claims that the child was never in that bedroom that evening, not even at 7.30pm, doesn't it?

You know my theory and it's not being discussed in a public forum.

[pathfinder73]

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P4/04_VOLUME_IVa_Page_890.jpg

"MO enters flat, hears a sound in the children's bedroom that is probably one of the twins rolling over in their cot"

SY should investigate these inventions. The curtains could be open? He never said anything of the sort. I wonder who was controlling it - not Matt! Kate still doesn't look out through the window to check after now opening the curtains. What a load of.............

[Benice]

SY should investigate these inventions. The curtains could be open? He never said anything of the sort. I wonder who was controlling it - not Matt! Kate still doesn't look out through the window to check after now opening the curtains. What a load of.............

Why would you expect every account to be identical?   Those which are summaries - are just that - summaries of points which the person who is writing up the summary believes to be pertinent enough to include in them.   They are not verbatim and so every word people say is not recorded.   IMO masses will be left out.

Going over every word of accounts with a fine tooth comb is a waste of time and energy IMO.   Only verbatim untranslated statements are reliable IMO - and even they won't cover every single second of events which occurred.

IMO your expectations are unrealistic PF.   IMO  SY will have already addressed anything which they thought needed further explanation or clarification with the people concerned.  That goes without saying surely?

[pathfinder73]

Tip No. 1: Inconsistencies
"When you want to know if someone is lying, look for inconsistencies in what they are saying," says Newberry, who was a federal agent for 30 years and a police officer for five.

When the woman he was questioning said she ran and hid after hearing gunshots -- without looking -- Newberry saw the inconsistency immediately.

"There was something that just didn't fit," says Newberry. "She heard gunshots but she didn't look? I knew that was inconsistent with how a person would respond to a situation like that."

So when she wasn't paying attention, he banged on the table. She looked right at him.

"When a person hears a noise, it's a natural reaction to look toward it," Newberry tells WebMD. "I knew she heard those gunshots, looked in the direction from which they came, saw the shooter, and then ran."

Sure enough, he was right.

"Her story was just illogical," says Newberry. "And that's what you should look for when you're talking to someone who isn't being truthful. Are there inconsistencies that just don't fit?"

[G-Unit]

Tip No. 1: Inconsistencies
"When you want to know if someone is lying, look for inconsistencies in what they are saying," says Newberry, who was a federal agent for 30 years and a police officer for five.

When the woman he was questioning said she ran and hid after hearing gunshots -- without looking -- Newberry saw the inconsistency immediately.

"There was something that just didn't fit," says Newberry. "She heard gunshots but she didn't look? I knew that was inconsistent with how a person would respond to a situation like that."

So when she wasn't paying attention, he banged on the table. She looked right at him.

"When a person hears a noise, it's a natural reaction to look toward it," Newberry tells WebMD. "I knew she heard those gunshots, looked in the direction from which they came, saw the shooter, and then ran."

Sure enough, he was right.

"Her story was just illogical," says Newberry. "And that's what you should look for when you're talking to someone who isn't being truthful. Are there inconsistencies that just don't fit?"

Inconsistences.

If you know immediately that your child has been snatched why keep searching in cupboards?
If you see an open window why close it? It's evidence. Leave the room alone, move the kids.
If you're concerned about the unusually deep of sleep your children why not mention it?
If you're sure someone entered your apartment and snatched one of your children why run out and leave the remaining two unprotected?
If one of you sees a man carrying a child why not mention it so people search in that direction immediately instead of rushing off in other directions?
If it's your child who disappeared why not go to reception yourself to make sure the police are called?
if the resort felt 'so safe' why tell relatives soon after your child disappears that the Algarve has 'lots of paedophile gangs'? Has someone just given you this news?
Why publicise a 'coloboma' which wasn't one?
If the curtains were closed and billowing why tell the police that the window, shutters and curtains were open when you discovered the child gone?

All things which I find strange.

[mercury]

Why would you expect every account to be identical?   Those which are summaries - are just that - summaries of points which the person who is writing up the summary believes to be pertinent enough to include in them.   They are not verbatim and so every word people say is not recorded.   IMO masses will be left out.

Going over every word of accounts with a fine tooth comb is a waste of time and energy IMO.   Only verbatim untranslated statements are reliable IMO - and even they won't cover every single second of events which occurred.

IMO your expectations are unrealistic PF.   IMO  SY will have already addressed anything which they thought needed further explanation or clarification with the people concerned.  That goes without saying surely?

PF was comparing the statements made to the PJ with statements made to Control Risks, they don't MATCH...

So why have a go?
Why did the tapas group give statements/a summmary to Control Risks in the first place?And how do you explain their testimonies/summaries being different? To their 4th AND 10th May statements to the PJ seeing as their second statements were also on the 10 May? and their joint statement to CRG was on the 10 May ? In other words, they said one thng to the PJ and another to CRG???

[pegasus]

This 3-page document was not written by the CR company.
It was written and printed by the T9 themselves.
No intermediary was involved in writing it, no translation, and no translation errors, this is the original english, by the T9.
All arguments such as "you better not be be quoting CR" are inapplicable.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P4/04_VOLUME_IVa_Page_890.jpg
It says "hears a sound in the children's bedroom that is probably one of the twins rolling over in their cot" and also mentions, you may recall, a stairgate.

[pegasus]

Matt is the witness not Control Risk reports. ... (snip)

Your assumption that this 3-page document is by CR is not correct Pathfinder.
Proof #1: The first page of the document itself states who wrote it.
Proof #2: The document was handed to the PJ before IFLG and CR even arrived in Portugal.
Proof #3: ROB rog clearly states who wrote it.
Actually it was written by the T9 themselves.

[mercury]

Your assumption that this 3-page document is by CR is not correct Pathfinder.
Proof #1: The first page of the document itself states who wrote it.
Proof #2: The document was handed to the PJ before IFLG and CR even arrived in Portugal.
Proof #3: ROB rog clearly states who wrote it.
Actually it was written by the T9 themselves.

I asked you yesterday post 1834  vis a vis this convo what document you were referring to and you quoted the control risks group document  now you are saying it  wasn't?
Is it possible  to keep some semblance and continuity here? Catch up
 Tomorrow!

[pegasus]

I asked you yesterday post 1834  vis a vis this convo what document you were referring to and you quoted the control risks group document  now you are saying it  wasn't?
Is it possible  to keep some semblance and continuity here? Catch up
 Tomorrow!

I did not quote a CR document Mercury. This was what I quoted

" http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P4/04_VOLUME_IVa_Page_890.jpg
MO enters flat, hears a sound in the children's bedroom that is probably one of the twins rolling over in their cot"

This is not a CR document. This document was written by the T9 and handed to the PJ before CR even arrived in Portugal.