Could an intruder have opened the shutter and climbed in the window?

[mercury]

I did not quote a CR document Mercury. This was what I quoted

" http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P4/04_VOLUME_IVa_Page_890.jpg
MO enters flat, hears a sound in the children's bedroom that is probably one of the twins rolling over in their cot"

This is not a CR document. This document was written by the T9 and handed to the PJ before CR even arrived in Portugal.

So the joint statement  of 10 May was nothing  to do with CR group. If not, why do many people think so

 But it still doesn't explain the massive discrepancies between the 10 May joint statements and other statements made

sO Pegasus who penned the joint statement and why and especially if the joint statement was different in massive respects from sole statements....somethng booobooo here bye now....,

[pegasus]

So the joint statement  of 10 May was nothing  to do with CR group. If not, why do many people think so

 But it still doesn't explain the massive discrepancies between the 10 May joint statements and other statements made

sO Pegasus who penned the joint statement and why and especially if the joint statement was different in massive respects from sole statements....somethng booobooo here bye now....,

The T9 wrote it Mercury.
On a laptop borrowed from GB.
It was handed to the PJ on a flash memory card on Thu 10 May.
The first statements of any of the T9 to CR detectives were on Sun 13 May. 

[mercury]

The T9 wrote it Mercury.
On a laptop borrowed from GB.
It was handed to the PJ on a flash memory card on Thu 10 May.
The first interviews of T9 with CR detectives were on Sun 13 May.

So...the massive discrepancies stay.....! And can't be assigned to language differences...
joint statement  = really different from both PJ statements and their own Engkish statements..wtf as they say...bye <<>>>tonorrows

[pegasus]

So...the massive discrepancies stay.....! And can't be assigned to language differences...
joint statement  = really different from both PJ statements and their own Engkish statements..wtf as they say...bye <<>>>tonorrows

I am interested in
"21:30 ... hears a sound in the childrens bedroom"
These are the exact words - there are no translation errors in this three-page document Mercury - it's the original english typed by the T9 themselves.

[slartibartfast]

A combined witness statement must run the risk of being seen as collusion.

[pathfinder73]

I did not quote a CR document Mercury. This was what I quoted

" http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P4/04_VOLUME_IVa_Page_890.jpg
MO enters flat, hears a sound in the children's bedroom that is probably one of the twins rolling over in their cot"

This is not a CR document. This document was written by the T9 and handed to the PJ before CR even arrived in Portugal.

Not what Matt said so it is irrelevant. Matt is the witness not any T9 document.

"So I approached the room but I didn't actually go in because you could see the twins in the cots and one of the, you could see the twins in the cots because they're in with, sort of the cots were in the middle of the room with sort of a gap of about sort of maybe a foot between the two, the cots had sort of got that fabric end and sort of a mesh side, so you could see the sides and you could see them, erm, see them breathing and there were two there and it was all completely quiet."

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm

[pegasus]

Not what Matt said so it is irrelevant. Matt is the witness not any T9 document.

"So I approached the room but I didn't actually go in because you could see the twins in the cots and one of the, you could see the twins in the cots because they're in with, sort of the cots were in the middle of the room with sort of a gap of about sort of maybe a foot between the two, the cots had sort of got that fabric end and sort of a mesh side, so you could see the sides and you could see them, erm, see them breathing and there were two there and it was all completely quiet."

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm

He heard the noise when he first entered the apartment Pathfinder, not when he was just outside the bedroom.
The fact that MO heard this noise was typed on a laptop with MO present and saying what to type. No intermediaries, no private sector undercover operatives working secretly for the Blair government, no translators, no foreign transcribers with antique typewriters. There were only 7 people in the room when that sentence about the noise was typed.

[pathfinder73]

He heard the noise when he first entered the apartment Pathfinder, not when he was just outside the bedroom.
The fact that MO heard this noise was typed on a laptop with MO present and saying what to type. No intermediaries, no private sector undercover operatives working secretly for the Blair government, no translators, no foreign transcribers with antique typewriters. There were only 7 people in the room when that sentence about the noise was typed.

Not in his rog but this was. Matt noticed the shutters weren't down in the other bedroom where Eddie alerted so that door could have been used as it was in my theory i.e. the simplest way which is also the quickest.

4078 'I am sorry, you already said how long you think you were in the apartment for, I have forgotten''
Reply 'It can't have been more than a couple of minutes, because, erm, I mean, there was no, you know, it was just sort of a check and then it was back really. I remember sort of being able to pivot here and be able to see this room door was open as well and those shutters weren't down, they were just curtains and that was fairly, fairly light as well. And I just sort of came back out really through the same way and shutting the patio doors'.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm

[Brietta]

Not in his rog but this was. Matt noticed the shutters weren't down in the other bedroom where Eddie alerted so that door could have been used as it was in my theory i.e. the simplest way which is also the quickest.

4078 'I am sorry, you already said how long you think you were in the apartment for, I have forgotten''
Reply 'It can't have been more than a couple of minutes, because, erm, I mean, there was no, you know, it was just sort of a check and then it was back really. I remember sort of being able to pivot here and be able to see this room door was open as well and those shutters weren't down, they were just curtains and that was fairly, fairly light as well. And I just sort of came back out really through the same way and shutting the patio doors'.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm

When was the photograph of the bedroom taken ... Foto 17 http://www.mccannfiles.com/id155.html ... the shutters are clearly down.

[mercury]

The T9 wrote it Mercury.
On a laptop borrowed from GB.
It was handed to the PJ on a flash memory card on Thu 10 May.
The first statements of any of the T9 to CR detectives were on Sun 13 May.

Where did you get that date from?
Do you know what happened to these CRG statements? Were they passed on to the PJ and if not why not? Seeing as the purpose of them was to iron out any possible translation errors/misunderstandings which might have occurred in their interviews.

You still have not addressed the question of why there are discrepancies between the joint statement and their other statements...(in any language and various media) for example, in the joint statement typed in English by the tapas 9 as you say, Gerald says he had a conversation by the gate with Wilkins.....in his police statement as in TV he says he crossed the road....Tanner also says (consistently) the pair of them were on the apartment  side of the road as does Wilkins, it seems any mistranslations/misunderstandings were NOT ironed out by the joint English statement...?

 &%+((£

As for MO, a few examples were given by me before from the joint statement which thoroughly contradict past and future statements made by certain members of the party (in both language situations) so I wouldn't take it as written in stone that MO said he heard any noise

[pegasus]

When was the photograph of the bedroom taken ... Foto 17 http://www.mccannfiles.com/id155.html ... the shutters are clearly down.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/foto17.jpg the shutter is down however the upper 60% of the slats are open allowing light to pass through.

[Brietta]

http://www.mccannfiles.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/foto17.jpg the shutter is down however the upper 60% of the slats are open allowing light to pass through.

I think that would be the position of the shutter and the slats on the third.

[pathfinder73]

When was the photograph of the bedroom taken ... Foto 17 http://www.mccannfiles.com/id155.html ... the shutters are clearly down.

If they were up at 9:30 then that door was used. The simplest/quickest way of entering and leaving from that bedroom where Eddie alerted but not the normal way.

Outside of one patio door: Eight inadequate prints were recovered.- Outside of [the other] patio door: One inadequate print was recovered.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FINGERPRINTS.htm

[pegasus]

I think that would be the position of the shutter and the slats on the third.

Agreed because soon after the alarm, a test of whether it was possible to raise the adult bedroom door shutter from outside was made by FP see rog

[jassi]

Agreed because soon after the alarm, a test of whether it was possible to raise the adult bedroom door shutter from outside was made by FP see rog

So they tampered with that one as well ?
Nothing like covering all bases, then?