Could an intruder have opened the shutter and climbed in the window?

[misty]

From the pic:
Plenty of room for the abductor to hide in there. (reference a theory being put about earlier)
My perception is he would be as unobtrusive as an alligator in a bath.

I agree there was insufficient room for the abductor to hide in there. I believe he/she went into the parents' bedroom.

[pegasus]

There was no indication that Madeleine had got out of bed whilst the parents were dining during the previous 4 evenings.

That's because there were only 3 people there Misty and none of them gave witness statements.
It's obvious that the mobile child must have got out of bed sometimes IMO.

[mercury]

.........or someone staged it to appear the child got out of the bed herself.

That's silly, why would any abductor do that, honestly...about as convincing as theories the window was opened to let the smell of chloroform out...as if any abductir would care

[misty]

That's silly, why would any abductor do that, honestly...about as convincing as theories the window was opened to let the smell of chloroform out...as if any abductir would care

Most criminals like to make life as difficult as possible for the police to solve a crime.
Nitrous Oxide acts in 20 seconds & the kit is small & easily carried. You need ventilation, though.

[pegasus]

.........or someone staged it to appear the child got out of the bed herself.
Do you believe GM saw Madeleine on top of the covers - that is the crucial question - and also explains 2 door moves if the abductor was interrupted.

IMO no intruder entered the apartment.
So the "intruder hiding in apartment during a check" theory is incorrect IMO
But if you are interested in that theory, I can give you a link to another case where an interrupted intruder did hide in a bedroom.

[mercury]

Most criminals like to make life as difficult as possible for the police to solve a crime.
Nitrous Oxide acts in 20 seconds & the kit is small & easily carried. You need ventilation, though.

Well I don't know how criminals try to trick police but what use would it be to dissipate any potential smell of a drug in an abduction, I mean how would it help police if they knew a drug was used lol

[misty]

IMO no intruder entered the apartment.
So the "intruder hiding in apartment during a check" theory is incorrect IMO
But if you are interested in that theory, I can give you a link to another case where an interrupted intruder did hide in a bedroom.

We will agree to differ on the intruder, Pegasus, but, yes please, I would appreciate that link.

[pegasus]

Most criminals like to make life as difficult as possible for the police to solve a crime.
Nitrous Oxide acts in 20 seconds & the kit is small & easily carried. You need ventilation, though.

Police are looking for a man with a hypnotist-style goatee carrying an inflated balloon.

[misty]

Police are looking for a man with a hypnotist-style goatee carrying an inflated balloon.

Please don't go the same way as the rest of the disrupters on here :)

Seriously, though - check out the kit for nitrous oxide - mask & a very small canister. I was looking at fast-acting safe alternatives to chloroform. There's also a nasal spray form of Midazolam

[pegasus]

We will agree to differ on the intruder, Pegasus, but, yes please, I would appreciate that link.

hid in a wardrobe for 13 hours

[pegasus]

Please don't go the same way as the rest of the disrupters on here :)

Seriously, though - check out the kit for nitrous oxide - mask & a very small canister. I was looking at fast-acting safe alternatives to chloroform. There's also a nasal spray form of Midazolam

Thanks Misty I will have a look. ETA the wiki page about the second one is an interesting read.

[mercury]

Please don't go the same way as the rest of the disrupters on here :)

Seriously, though - check out the kit for nitrous oxide - mask & a very small canister. I was looking at fast-acting safe alternatives to chloroform. There's also a nasal spray form of Midazolam

so you think a hypnotist is a great theory ? And we awful disrupters make a comment in this silliness? Ok then that makes you even sillier than the hypnotist proclaimed who actually was it in here that suggested this utter tosh in the first place, anyone know?

[misty]

so you think a hypnotist is a great theory ? And we awful disrupters make a comment in this silliness? Ok then that makes you even sillier than the hypnotist proclaimed sho actually was it in here that suggested this uttef tosh in the first place, anyone know?

I have not engaged in conversation about hypnotism if you care to view my post history.

[mercury]

I have not engaged in conversation about hypnotism if you care to view my post history.

Sorry my mistake.......

[misty]

Thanks Misty I will have a look. ETA the wiki page about the second one is an interesting read.

Do you mean the chloroform or Midazolam?

Have just read the story of the "garden gnome" in the wardrobe, aka someone she'd fostered. Did our police really miss his presence?? He's out of jail already by the looks of it.
I'm surprised the lady hadn't installed CCTV before.  Yelverton is fairly isolated place, surrounded by moorland and not too far from Dartmoor prison.