Could an intruder have opened the shutter and climbed in the window?

[pathfinder73]

Yes but in your photo look at the bedcovers. It is quite obvious that the child was under the covers. If the child had not been under the covers, the covers would not be pulled down as we see in the photo.

And it's obvious that the child sat up and got out of bed by herself - because the slightly down position of the covers in the photo says that. If someone had lifted her out of bed the covers would be much further down.

So there is no need at all to imagine the presence of any intruder in this room.

Not according to the father. This a signed statement.

----- With respect to the bed where his daughter was on the night she disappeared he says that she slept uncovered, as usual when she was hot, with the bedclothes folded down. With respect to the other bed next to the window in the children's bedroom he says that it showed no signs that anyone had put their feet on it, namely, dirt or shoe prints.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm

---- He says that with respect to Madeleine she was in the same position in which he had left her at the beginning of the night. Madeleine was lying down on her left side, she was completely uncovered, that is, lying on top of the covers, with the soft toy and the blanket, both pink, next to her head, not knowing if they were placed in the position in which one can see them in the photograph attached to the files.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-ARGUIDO.htm

[Brietta]

Yes but in your photo look at the bedcovers. It is quite obvious that the child was under the covers. If the child had not been under the covers, the covers would not be pulled down as we see in the photo.

And it's obvious that the child sat up and got out of bed by herself - because the slightly down position of the covers in the photo says that. If someone had lifted her out of bed the covers would be much further down.

So there is no need at all to imagine the presence of any intruder in this room.

On the last occasion Madeleine McCann's father ever saw her ... she was lying soundly asleep on the top of her bed covers.  In my opinion ... she had already been lifted from her bed by an intruder who was disturbed by her father's entry.

The big flaw in your theory is ... what happened to Madeleine after she had taken fright and bolted? ... where is she? ... why was she not found?

There is no doubt Madeleine McCann was abducted which is why the police are looking for that abductor and anyone associated with him or her.

[jassi]

On the last occasion Madeleine McCann's father ever saw her ... she was lying soundly asleep on the top of her bed covers.  In my opinion ... she had already been lifted from her bed by an intruder who was disturbed by her father's entry.

The big flaw in your theory is ... what happened to Madeleine after she had taken fright and bolted? ... where is she? ... why was she not found?

There is no doubt Madeleine McCann was abducted which is why the police are looking for that abductor and anyone associated with him or her.

Don't seem to have found any evidence to support that idea despite their best efforts.

[stephen25000]

On the last occasion Madeleine McCann's father ever saw her ... she was lying soundly asleep on the top of her bed covers.  In my opinion ... she had already been lifted from her bed by an intruder who was disturbed by her father's entry.

The big flaw in your theory is ... what happened to Madeleine after she had taken fright and bolted? ... where is she? ... why was she not found?

There is no doubt Madeleine McCann was abducted which is why the police are looking for that abductor and anyone associated with him or her.

There is every doubt she was abducted.

Name me one piece of evidence that would stand up in court as regards that.

Don't bother with the 'belief' .

That won't stand scrutiny.

[pegasus]

Not according to the father. This a signed statement.

----- With respect to the bed where his daughter was on the night she disappeared he says that she slept uncovered, as usual when she was hot, with the bedclothes folded down. With respect to the other bed next to the window in the children's bedroom he says that it showed no signs that anyone had put their feet on it, namely, dirt or shoe prints.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm

---- He says that with respect to Madeleine she was in the same position in which he had left her at the beginning of the night. Madeleine was lying down on her left side, she was completely uncovered, that is, lying on top of the covers, with the soft toy and the blanket, both pink, next to her head, not knowing if they were placed in the position in which one can see them in the photograph attached to the files.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-ARGUIDO.htm

I like physical evidence Pathfinder. The position of the bedcovers (and the absence of a child) in the PJ photo says clearly imo that a child had slept under the covers, then awoke, sat up, and got out of bed, and did not return.

But why are you debating whether the child was under or on top of the covers Pathfinder? Your theory states that the child was never on or in that bed or even in that bedroom that evening doesn't it?

[mercury]

Be so kind as to look at the crime scene photographs as I have prior to making my post.  Please note that in the fawn coloured cot which is less visible from the bedroom door opaque material has been used.

The blue coloured cot is indeed "see through" ... the fawn coloured cot most definitely is not and I am surprised with your familiarity of the case you are ignorant of that fact.

You will note that it would be perfectly possible for an intruder to crouch down in a darkened room between the window and the cot and remain hidden from view by the opaque panel.


 

You only think all that because you're invested in Tannerman, now, perhaps you would also be so kind as to explain how, if your theory is true, did Gerry McCann state that on his check the window and shutters and curtains were closed if you believe the abductor opened the shutters and window before he picked the child up...or you can just leave it

[Brietta]

Don't seem to have found any evidence to support that idea despite their best efforts.

So there are two professional investigations happening at present both of which are looking for an abductor ... maybe you should take steps to contact them to point out the error of their ways.

[stephen25000]

So there are two professional investigations happening at present both of which are looking for an abductor ... maybe you should take steps to contact them to point out the error of their ways.

and tbey haven't found a dicky bird.

[Mr Gray]

and tbey haven't found a dicky bird.

Yes they have

[Brietta]

You only think all that because you're invested in Tannerman, now, perhaps you would also be so kind as to explain how, if your theory is true, did Gerry McCann state that on his check the window and shutters and curtains were closed if you believe the abductor opened the shutters and window before he picked the child up...or you can just leave it

             http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1868.msg274026#msg274026

[stephen25000]

Yes they have

30 letters.

No Madeleine.

Nothing to show what happened that night.

[misty]

You only think all that because you're invested in Tannerman, now, perhaps you would also be so kind as to explain how, if your theory is true, did Gerry McCann state that on his check the window and shutters and curtains were closed if you believe the abductor opened the shutters and window before he picked the child up...or you can just leave it

Gerry didn't notice the shutters up. Would he have noticed a different light level, given he had undertaken no visual checks during the week?
MO didn't notice the shutters up, but he did notice the room was perhaps lighter than it should have been. Perhaps the clue there is that he saw the curtains as green & yellow, rather than blue & white, so consistent with the amber light shining through.
KM didn't notice the shutters up at first. I don't know if she had performed any visual checks during the week. It was only because of the curtains whooshing (and Madeleine missing) that she checked behind the curtains.

So 3 people failed to notice the shutters were up after 9.05pm - meaning they could have been opened at any time after that.

[mercury]

             http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1868.msg274026#msg274026

a link to your theory doesn't answer my specific question oh well thanks for trying

[Brietta]

a link to your theory doesn't answer my specific question oh well thanks for trying

         Thought you might be interested since you had obviously not already read it ... my mistake.

[Brietta]

Gerry didn't notice the shutters up. Would he have noticed a different light level, given he had undertaken no visual checks during the week?
MO didn't notice the shutters up, but he did notice the room was perhaps lighter than it should have been. Perhaps the clue there is that he saw the curtains as green & yellow, rather than blue & white, so consistent with the amber light shining through.
KM didn't notice the shutters up at first. I don't know if she had performed any visual checks during the week. It was only because of the curtains whooshing (and Madeleine missing) that she checked behind the curtains.

So 3 people failed to notice the shutters were up after 9.05pm - meaning they could have been opened at any time after that.

                                              As usual Misty ~ an excellent synopsis.