Could an intruder have opened the shutter and climbed in the window?

[mercury]

There are things which have paled into insignificance since the PJ and SY found enough new evidence to justify to their political masters that Madeleine McCann's case should be reopened.

Therefore us amateurs puzzling about the mechanics of Madeleine's removal from the scene is logical.  Puzzling about what her mother may or may not have said is not.  If it was relevant in any way ~ she would have been reconstituted arguida.

She was not ... but other people were.

It is not illogical to question (possible) red flags or anything at all in any cold case , it is illogical to dictate that it is illogical

And the reason others were made arguidos post reopening of the case were more relevant? I don't thnk so somehow....

[Brietta]

...and what has come of it ?

More letters of request.

Thankfully Madeleine McCann is the only British pre teen who is missing in a foreign land and who is at long last being looked for by two national law enforcement agencies.

We have been told that we will not be updated on the progress of Madeleine's case; so is there any good reason for your repetitiveness?

[pegasus]

Two small clues. The window at 5A now has external metal security bars fitted. The window at the matching flat in the next block (identical flat and identical window position) has internal sliding locking metal security bars fitted and possibly a window alarm too. Does anyone here still believe that opening from outside by a burglar is impossible, and that the owners have wasted their money installing extra security?

[Brietta]

Two small clues.
The window at 5A now has external metal security bars fitted over it.
The window at the matching flat in block 4 (identical flat and identical window position) has sliding locking metal security bars fitted inside it.

A sensible precaution ... but it doesn't explain whether 5A windows were subject to internal or external interference or the reason for it.

Unlikely but possible is that entry was made via the unlocked sliding door and the window opened because it was thought the wooden door was deadlocked.  We simply don't know.

[pegasus]

A sensible precaution ... but it doesn't explain whether 5A windows were subject to internal or external interference or the reason for it.

Unlikely but possible is that entry was made via the unlocked sliding door and the window opened because it was thought the wooden door was deadlocked.  We simply don't know.

In your scenario, it would have been much easier and quicker to simply test the front door and see if it was deadlocked, instead of opening a noisy shutter from inside.

[mercury]

Two small clues. The window at 5A now has external metal security bars fitted. The window at the matching flat in the next block (identical flat and identical window position) has internal sliding locking metal security bars fitted and possibly a window alarm too. Does anyone here still believe that opening from outside by a burglar is impossible, and that the owners have wasted their money installing extra security?

no one is still denying the shutters there could be opened from outside as per the poster who made that YouTube video doing it

But there are different types sizes and qualities of shutters....not all can be raised easily if at all and without damage, in fact most used are not of this flimsy type..but proper security ones, hence the many posts over the years saying you can't open from outside

[pegasus]

Added information - the only accessible window at the flat, two floors above 5A, where there was a burglary a few weeks before 5A, now also appears to have external metal security bars fitted.

[pegasus]

no one is still denying the shutters there could be opened from outside as per the poster who made that YouTube video doing it

But there are different types sizes and qualities of shutters....not all can be raised easily if at all and without damage, in fact most used are not of this flimsy type..but proper security ones, hence the many posts over the years saying you can't open from outside

IMO all flats in these two blocks at construction were fitted with identical model windows and shutters.

[mercury]

All flats in these two blocks at construction were fitted with identical model windows and shutters.

So? that has nothng to do with my explanatory post to you

[misty]

I always thought burglars' primary interest is what's inside a property worth stealing, How to achieve the objective is a secondary consideration.

[Brietta]

In your scenario, it would have been much easier and quicker to simply test the front door and see if it was deadlocked, instead of opening a noisy shutter from inside.

It is my opinion that the intruder used a key to open the wooden front door. 

However had the intruder entered via the sliding door it was for one reason and one reason only ... therefore speed was of the essence ... no time to faff around checking doors.
Perhaps it was even coordinated with an accomplice raising the outside shutter and opening the window as the lounge was crossed, the child lifted and passed through?

We simply do not know.  The only hard and fast thing that we do know is that when her mother checked on her at 10.00pm Madeleine McCann was missing from her bed.

[pegasus]

So? that has nothng to do with my explanatory post to you

Yes I understand your post. But if any people have based their views on other designs of shutters and windows then obviously they would need to look at the relevant designs as fitted in blocks 5 and 4 instead.
For example the Dispatches program examined a completely different shutter design in a flat in in the Estrela complex, an electric shutter with a remote control, therefore it was inevitable they would not solve the opening method.

[pegasus]

I always thought burglars' primary interest is what's inside a property worth stealing, How to achieve the objective is a secondary consideration.

At 5A the burglar couldn't see in so his assumption would be simply that there would be a few things in the apartment maybe some currency a camera some jewellery. His main concerns would be that the occupants are out and his method of entry.

[mercury]

Yes I understand your post. But if any people have based their views on other designs of shutters and windows then obviously they would need to look at the relevant designs as fitted in blocks 5 and 4 instead.
For example the Dispatches program examined a completely different shutter design in a flat in in the Estrela complex, an electric shutter with a remote control, therefore it was inevitable they would not solve the opening method.

No Pegasus, my point was that most shutters are normally more heavy duty, so people made their posts/comments, if they didn't consult architects digest for the algarve at the time is neither here nor there lol

[misty]

At 5A the burglar couldn't see in so his assumption would be simply that there would be a few things in the apartment maybe some currency a camera some jewellery. His main concerns would be that the occupants are out and his method of entry.

You believe he was interrupted & left, empty-handed. Why no other burglaries/attempted burglaries - the night was young?