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1485 ”So the two phones, you’ve kept one and gave one to Kate and Gerry?”
Reply ”Kate and Gerry yeah.”
1485 ”And do you have the numbers of those phones in your phone?”
Reply ”I don’t, no, no.”
1485 ”Where are these phones now?”
Reply ”Err as far as I am aware that they, you know, remained in Portugal, again…”
1485 ”With whom?”
Reply ”With Kate and Gerry.”
1485 ”So Kate and Gerry took possession of that second phone which you had?”
Reply ”Well, they certainly kept the first one, the second one, the second one, sorry, no I think that’s rubbish. I think I, I may well have got the, I might have got the second phone.
1485 ”And then you spoke to Yvonne MARTIN around about nine o’ clock you said.”
Reply ”Mm.”
1485 ”Did you know her before that meeting?”
Reply ”Err no.”
1485 ”Did you advise the MCCANN’S to turn to her?”
Reply ”Not at all, no.”
1485 ”Not at all?”
Reply ”Not at all. She was someone I’d certainly say to, to keep clear of you know and I, and I think pretty much I was saying look you know, appreciate your concern at this stage but you know it’s not the right time to be talking to her, if you want to leave a card then you know perhaps there might be a time in the future but you know can you just leave us please, and that was you know the basics of the conversation that I had with her. Err you know her timing was just completely off, err you know there was, I say there was someone else who visited on the night that she was abducted, I think she was from the upstairs and she was again you know trying to say there, there Kate, you’re alright, and again it was just completely inappropriate timing.”
Reply ”Err I mean again I think Gerry had a white, a white top err I think he had a, you know, like a polo shirt.”
1485 ”Yeah.”
Reply ”Err sleeveless, err I, I keep thinking he’s got white trousers err shorts sorry, but I can’t remember.”
1485 ”What about a kit bag? Would they have a kit bag with them?”
Reply ”Err he certainly didn’t have a great big tennis bag
1485 ”You mentioned early on, on the last interview as well, about a photo. You spoke brief about a photo you’d shown, you’d shown a photo.”
Reply ”Oh yes, I mean…”
1485 ”Where did that come from?”
Reply ”Err where did the photo come from? That’s a very good question, err I’m not sure whether it was from Gerry’s digital camera or one of the digital cameras that we had there from my recollection. Err but you know, it was, sorry I can’t, I can’t remember exactly. I seem to remember it was one of the digital cameras but that’s about as far as it…”
1485 ”Can you remember the pose in which Madeleine was on the photo?”
Reply ”Err I can’t, no.”
1485 ”Do you recall me telling you about the London number, which you couldn’t find in your phone?”
Reply ”Yes.”
1485 ”That number actually transcribes back to the Crime Specialist Director in London.”
Reply ”Mm.”
1485 ”Did you contact them?”
Reply ”Err I did yes. My, err you know my sister err had been in contact with them and she was trying to do everything that she could knowing the, err, the difficulties that we were having out there so you know I did approach them just asking for advice but err I can’t remember, I don’t think I actually spoke to anyone there, but for some reason that wasn’t carried forward.”
1485 ”Yeah.”
Reply ”But I mean, you know, just into the context of the conversation you know we’re in a strange country, we’ve got no representeers we don’t know what’s going on, all hell’s broken loose and you know to see whether you can do anything to help Madeleine come back, you know and that was the lines that we were taking.”
1485 ”Do you remember who you spoke to?”
Reply ”I don’t know.”
1485 ”The call was made on the following day at twenty three thirteen, so that’s late at night.”
Reply ”Mm.”
1485 ”You don’t recollect anything else about the conversation that you had with that, was it you that made the call?”
Reply ”Err I, yeah I know that I got phone numbers from my sister which I did you know ring them but I can’t remember making one late at night.”
1485 ”Have you ever been at Kate and Gerry’s home when their children have been at home? And if so, how many times?”
Reply ”Yes, I mean we, err we know them when they were err living at, obviously when they were at Queniborough first, we’ve known Madeleine ever since, you know she’s err been around and we went over to see them in Amsterdam as well and you watched Madeleine, you know, we were all the staying there together then since the twins have been around we’ve been round as well so we’ve been many, many times you know when they’ve been together, you know the children have been there err so yeah.”
1485 ”Were your children present as well?”
Reply ”Yeah, yeah, you know because obviously between the five children and we’ve known them ever since, before we’ve had children and then when each one’s come along you know we’ve always been, you know each family’s been pleased for the other family if you like and there’s always, you know wanted to be available when you, your children are being born and congratulate and to help and err and so I think you know ever since we’ve known them and since we had children we’ve always been around.”
1485 ”Okay. I’ve got another sketch for you to draw now but I’m not looking for anything to Rolf Harris.”
Reply ”Yeah.”
