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Offline Holly Goodhead

My email to Kerry Daynes
« on: December 20, 2015, 01:52:29 PM »
Many of you will recall Kerry Daynes' contribution to the tv programme 'Killing Mum and Dad'.  Kerry is a forensic psychologist.

http://www.expertsearch.co.uk/cgi-bin/find_expert?5788

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcTvqLk0MWU

Dear Kerry

I am sure you will recall your contribution to 'Killing Mum and Dad' regarding the above.  As an aide-memoire I have detailed your input as follows:
 
"It's likely that he felt incredibly rejected on many different fronts and that this caused him to feel that he desperatly wanted attention.  He wanted to be loved but that if he actually attempted to get this he would be rejected again.  This causes a terrible conflict for a child and one way of coping with it might be simply to detach.  You detach from your emotions so you can't be hurt.  What could of happened is that the emotional switches in Jeremy's brain could have been permanently jammed in the off position.

It's possible that these are the early signs that in actual fact that he has got psychopathic traits.  So breaking rules, constantly breaking rules in many different ways.  Also being sexually promiscious and really needing a high level of stimulation.  They are very prone to boredom.

I think that is classic behaviour of a psychopath.  I think that in essence Jeremy painted on his emotions.  The emotions that he felt he should portray for that day.  And then when he felt that nobody was watching him, or nobody that mattered was watching him, he simply took the mask off and put it to one side.

He certainly ticks an awful lot of the boxes for a psychopath.  Here is somebody who is grandiose.  He's arrogant.  He seems to have very little emotion and what he does is very shallow and rather fake.  He manipulates other people and he's quite happy to use people to meet his own needs.

I believe that in the past he has coped with overwhelming emotions by simply cutting off from them.  And really he has done the same thing in response to his offences.  Denial of his offences is the biggest form of cutting off you can have.  In his mind he probably believes that he really didn't do it
".

I would like to raise a few points and ask a few questions:

-  Were you aware that Sheila Caffell (nee Bamber) and Jeremy Bamber were adopted by Nevill and June Bamber shortly after birth?

- It is reported that Sheila spent two weeks with her birth mother before spending the next 2/3 months in a children's home pending adoption.

-  Were you aware that June Bamber suffered two breakdowns requiring in-patient psychiatric care before and after adopting Sheila?  The first breakdown occurred in 1955 and according to June's friends was bound up with her inability to conceive children.  The second breakdown occurred in 1959, at which time Sheila was circa 2 years of age, and according to June's psychiatrist was caused by her decision to adopt.  The second breakdown required electroconvulsive treatment.

- Following June's second breakdown a full-time 17 year old nanny was employed to care for Sheila.  During June's abscence I believe Nevill cared for Sheila with family support.

-  Despite the above Mr and Mrs Bamber were approved to adopt Jeremy Bamber in 1961.  Sheila's nanny continued to work full-time looking after Sheila and Jeremy until Jeremy was around 2 years of age at which time she worked as and when required until Jeremy was of school age.  Other girls, including a French au pair, were employed on the same causual basis.

-  Apparently Mr and Mrs Bamber told Sheila and Jeremy they were adopted when they were each around 7 years of age.   Jeremy attended boarding school around the age of 8 and Sheila from the age of 10 .  Their respective boarding schools were miles away from each other and White House Farm (the Bamber family home).

- Sheila was reunited with her birth mother and other birth family members some 3 months before the murders.

-  Are you aware that a pscyhology exists peculiar to adoption?  David Brodzinsky is argubably the world's expert on adoption and has authored and co-authored several books on the subject including 'The Psychology Of Adoption' co-authored with Dr Marshall Schechter, a child psychiatrist.  The book includes the largest study of adopted children where the authors have brought together a group of leading researchers from various disciplines to explore the complex, interdisciplinary subject of adoption.  Also 'The Lifelong Search For Self' based on Erik Erikson's model of psychosocial stages of development.

http://www.aclu-il.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/CV-David-Brodzinsky.pdf

http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Psychology-Adoption-David-Brodzinsky/dp/0195082737

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Being-Adopted-Lifelong-Search-Self/dp/0385414021

-  I will take it as a given that you are fully conversant with attachment theory.  Are you aware of the work of Dr Allan Schore?  His research shows a correlation between attachment and suicide.  I have linked below relevant presentations:

http://www.allanschore.com/pdf/AllanSchoreCV2012.pdf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQ236szRMD4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB51V3fAAvs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTZQhCMy3vU

- Are you aware of the National Scientific Council for the developing child?  Their research shows how maternal depression and neglect can adversely affect the developing child.  The definition of neglect is inadequate responsiveness to the needs of young children by caregivers.  I have linked below relevant material:

http://developingchild.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/The-Science-of-Neglect-The-Persistent-Absence-of-Responsive-Care-Disrupts-the-Developing-Brain.pdf

http://developingchild.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Maternal-Depression-Can-Undermine-Development.pdf

- I understand Jeremy has been assessed by numerous psychologists during his long incarceration and as far as I am aware no professional has identified any mental illness and/or personality disorder.

Surely my comments above are highly relevant to the Bamber family and yet you have not included any aspect in your contribution to 'Killing Mum and Dad'?  I would also add that as far as I am aware the psychiatrist that treated June and Sheila privately, Dr Hugh Ferguson, did not at any stage of treating either woman make reference to any aspect of the above.  Nor did he discuss any aspect of this with Jeremy's defence therefore jurors were denied full knowledge of the psychological backgrounds of the victims and defendent.

Thank you for taking the time to read my email.

I would welcome any comments you might wish to make.

Yours sincerely





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« Last Edit: April 25, 2018, 10:57:08 AM by John »
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Nicholas

Re: My email to Kerry Daynes
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2018, 10:42:30 PM »
Many of you will recall Kerry Daynes' contribution to the tv programme 'Killing Mum and Dad'.  Kerry is a forensic psychologist.

http://www.expertsearch.co.uk/cgi-bin/find_expert?5788

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcTvqLk0MWU

Dear Kerry

I am sure you will recall your contribution to 'Killing Mum and Dad' regarding the above.  As an aide-memoire I have detailed your input as follows:
 
"It's likely that he felt incredibly rejected on many different fronts and that this caused him to feel that he desperatly wanted attention.  He wanted to be loved but that if he actually attempted to get this he would be rejected again.  This causes a terrible conflict for a child and one way of coping with it might be simply to detach.  You detach from your emotions so you can't be hurt.  What could of happened is that the emotional switches in Jeremy's brain could have been permanently jammed in the off position.

It's possible that these are the early signs that in actual fact that he has got psychopathic traits.  So breaking rules, constantly breaking rules in many different ways.  Also being sexually promiscious and really needing a high level of stimulation.  They are very prone to boredom.

I think that is classic behaviour of a psychopath.  I think that in essence Jeremy painted on his emotions.  The emotions that he felt he should portray for that day.  And then when he felt that nobody was watching him, or nobody that mattered was watching him, he simply took the mask off and put it to one side.

He certainly ticks an awful lot of the boxes for a psychopath.  Here is somebody who is grandiose.  He's arrogant.  He seems to have very little emotion and what he does is very shallow and rather fake.  He manipulates other people and he's quite happy to use people to meet his own needs.

I believe that in the past he has coped with overwhelming emotions by simply cutting off from them.  And really he has done the same thing in response to his offences.  Denial of his offences is the biggest form of cutting off you can have.  In his mind he probably believes that he really didn't do it
".

I would like to raise a few points and ask a few questions:

-  Were you aware that Sheila Caffell (nee Bamber) and Jeremy Bamber were adopted by Nevill and June Bamber shortly after birth?

- It is reported that Sheila spent two weeks with her birth mother before spending the next 2/3 months in a children's home pending adoption.

-  Were you aware that June Bamber suffered two breakdowns requiring in-patient psychiatric care before and after adopting Sheila?  The first breakdown occurred in 1955 and according to June's friends was bound up with her inability to conceive children.  The second breakdown occurred in 1959, at which time Sheila was circa 2 years of age, and according to June's psychiatrist was caused by her decision to adopt.  The second breakdown required electroconvulsive treatment.

- Following June's second breakdown a full-time 17 year old nanny was employed to care for Sheila.  During June's abscence I believe Nevill cared for Sheila with family support.

-  Despite the above Mr and Mrs Bamber were approved to adopt Jeremy Bamber in 1961.  Sheila's nanny continued to work full-time looking after Sheila and Jeremy until Jeremy was around 2 years of age at which time she worked as and when required until Jeremy was of school age.  Other girls, including a French au pair, were employed on the same causual basis.

-  Apparently Mr and Mrs Bamber told Sheila and Jeremy they were adopted when they were each around 7 years of age.   Jeremy attended boarding school around the age of 8 and Sheila from the age of 10 .  Their respective boarding schools were miles away from each other and White House Farm (the Bamber family home).

- Sheila was reunited with her birth mother and other birth family members some 3 months before the murders.

-  Are you aware that a pscyhology exists peculiar to adoption?  David Brodzinsky is argubably the world's expert on adoption and has authored and co-authored several books on the subject including 'The Psychology Of Adoption' co-authored with Dr Marshall Schechter, a child psychiatrist.  The book includes the largest study of adopted children where the authors have brought together a group of leading researchers from various disciplines to explore the complex, interdisciplinary subject of adoption.  Also 'The Lifelong Search For Self' based on Erik Erikson's model of psychosocial stages of development.

http://www.aclu-il.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/CV-David-Brodzinsky.pdf

http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Psychology-Adoption-David-Brodzinsky/dp/0195082737

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Being-Adopted-Lifelong-Search-Self/dp/0385414021

-  I will take it as a given that you are fully conversant with attachment theory.  Are you aware of the work of Dr Allan Schore?  His research shows a correlation between attachment and suicide.  I have linked below relevant presentations:

http://www.allanschore.com/pdf/AllanSchoreCV2012.pdf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQ236szRMD4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB51V3fAAvs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTZQhCMy3vU

- Are you aware of the National Scientific Council for the developing child?  Their research shows how maternal depression and neglect can adversely affect the developing child.  The definition of neglect is inadequate responsiveness to the needs of young children by caregivers.  I have linked below relevant material:

http://developingchild.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/The-Science-of-Neglect-The-Persistent-Absence-of-Responsive-Care-Disrupts-the-Developing-Brain.pdf

http://developingchild.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Maternal-Depression-Can-Undermine-Development.pdf

- I understand Jeremy has been assessed by numerous psychologists during his long incarceration and as far as I am aware no professional has identified any mental illness and/or personality disorder.

Surely my comments above are highly relevant to the Bamber family and yet you have not included any aspect in your contribution to 'Killing Mum and Dad'?  I would also add that as far as I am aware the psychiatrist that treated June and Sheila privately, Dr Hugh Ferguson, did not at any stage of treating either woman make reference to any aspect of the above.  Nor did he discuss any aspect of this with Jeremy's defence therefore jurors were denied full knowledge of the psychological backgrounds of the victims and defendent.

Thank you for taking the time to read my email.

I would welcome any comments you might wish to make.

Yours sincerely

Did you receive a reply?

Do you not find it odd that Jeremy Bamber claims to be unaffected by his adoption; just as Simon Hall once also claimed?

Pre trial, Bamber's defence learned he was a psychopath.

Pre trial, Simon Halls defence learned he had a dissocial personality. Just like Bamber, Hall duped further prison assessments. Simon Hall's inquest concluded he was not suffering from any mental health issues prior to his suicide.

The fact is Holly, Jeremy Bamber has never disclosed his pre trial assessment to the public nor indeed his supporters.

"Dissocial personality disorder is one of ten personality disorders defined in the ICD-10 classification system. It is called [ censored word]ocial personality disorder in the DSM-IV and DSM-5 classification systems and is still sometimes referred to as such by professionals in the UK. For more information, see separate Personality Disorders and Psychopathy article.
People with dissocial personality disorder exhibit traits of impulsivity, high negative emotionality, low conscientiousness and associated behaviours, including irresponsible and exploitative behaviour, recklessness and deceitfulness. [1, 2]
People with dissocial personality disorder have often grown up with parental conflict and harsh inconsistent parenting. Their childhoods have typically featured parental inadequacies and often transfer of care to outside agencies. Associated with this is a high incidence of truancy, delinquency and substance misuse. [3] This in turn results in increased rates of unemployment, problems with housing and difficulties with relationships. Many people with dissocial personality disorder have a criminal conviction and are imprisoned or die prematurely as a result of reckless behaviour. [1, 2]
Criminal behaviour is central to the definition of dissocial personality disorder but there is much more to the disorder than just criminal behaviour. It is often preceded by other long-standing difficulties (socio-economic, educational, family, relationship). Psychopathy is considered to be a considerably severe form of dissocial personality disorder
https://medical.azureedge.net/pdf/9331.pdf


The victims weren't on tria!

Btw, how do you think your email was perceived by Kerry Daynes?



« Last Edit: April 24, 2018, 08:40:25 AM by Stephanie »
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Offline Nicholas

Re: My email to Kerry Daynes
« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2018, 09:35:00 AM »
Many of you will recall Kerry Daynes' contribution to the tv programme 'Killing Mum and Dad'.  Kerry is a forensic psychologist.

http://www.expertsearch.co.uk/cgi-bin/find_expert?5788

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcTvqLk0MWU

Dear Kerry

I am sure you will recall your contribution to 'Killing Mum and Dad' regarding the above.  As an aide-memoire I have detailed your input as follows:
 
"It's likely that he felt incredibly rejected on many different fronts and that this caused him to feel that he desperatly wanted attention.  He wanted to be loved but that if he actually attempted to get this he would be rejected again.  This causes a terrible conflict for a child and one way of coping with it might be simply to detach.  You detach from your emotions so you can't be hurt.  What could of happened is that the emotional switches in Jeremy's brain could have been permanently jammed in the off position.

It's possible that these are the early signs that in actual fact that he has got psychopathic traits.  So breaking rules, constantly breaking rules in many different ways.  Also being sexually promiscious and really needing a high level of stimulation.  They are very prone to boredom.

I think that is classic behaviour of a psychopath.  I think that in essence Jeremy painted on his emotions.  The emotions that he felt he should portray for that day.  And then when he felt that nobody was watching him, or nobody that mattered was watching him, he simply took the mask off and put it to one side.

He certainly ticks an awful lot of the boxes for a psychopath.  Here is somebody who is grandiose.  He's arrogant.  He seems to have very little emotion and what he does is very shallow and rather fake.  He manipulates other people and he's quite happy to use people to meet his own needs.

I believe that in the past he has coped with overwhelming emotions by simply cutting off from them.  And really he has done the same thing in response to his offences.  Denial of his offences is the biggest form of cutting off you can have.  In his mind he probably believes that he really didn't do it
".


I would like to raise a few points and ask a few questions:

-  Were you aware that Sheila Caffell (nee Bamber) and Jeremy Bamber were adopted by Nevill and June Bamber shortly after birth?

- It is reported that Sheila spent two weeks with her birth mother before spending the next 2/3 months in a children's home pending adoption.

-  Were you aware that June Bamber suffered two breakdowns requiring in-patient psychiatric care before and after adopting Sheila?  The first breakdown occurred in 1955 and according to June's friends was bound up with her inability to conceive children.  The second breakdown occurred in 1959, at which time Sheila was circa 2 years of age, and according to June's psychiatrist was caused by her decision to adopt.  The second breakdown required electroconvulsive treatment.

- Following June's second breakdown a full-time 17 year old nanny was employed to care for Sheila.  During June's abscence I believe Nevill cared for Sheila with family support.

-  Despite the above Mr and Mrs Bamber were approved to adopt Jeremy Bamber in 1961.  Sheila's nanny continued to work full-time looking after Sheila and Jeremy until Jeremy was around 2 years of age at which time she worked as and when required until Jeremy was of school age.  Other girls, including a French au pair, were employed on the same causual basis.

-  Apparently Mr and Mrs Bamber told Sheila and Jeremy they were adopted when they were each around 7 years of age.   Jeremy attended boarding school around the age of 8 and Sheila from the age of 10 .  Their respective boarding schools were miles away from each other and White House Farm (the Bamber family home).

- Sheila was reunited with her birth mother and other birth family members some 3 months before the murders.

-  Are you aware that a pscyhology exists peculiar to adoption?  David Brodzinsky is argubably the world's expert on adoption and has authored and co-authored several books on the subject including 'The Psychology Of Adoption' co-authored with Dr Marshall Schechter, a child psychiatrist.  The book includes the largest study of adopted children where the authors have brought together a group of leading researchers from various disciplines to explore the complex, interdisciplinary subject of adoption.  Also 'The Lifelong Search For Self' based on Erik Erikson's model of psychosocial stages of development.

http://www.aclu-il.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/CV-David-Brodzinsky.pdf

http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Psychology-Adoption-David-Brodzinsky/dp/0195082737

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Being-Adopted-Lifelong-Search-Self/dp/0385414021

-  I will take it as a given that you are fully conversant with attachment theory.  Are you aware of the work of Dr Allan Schore?  His research shows a correlation between attachment and suicide.  I have linked below relevant presentations:

http://www.allanschore.com/pdf/AllanSchoreCV2012.pdf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQ236szRMD4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB51V3fAAvs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTZQhCMy3vU

- Are you aware of the National Scientific Council for the developing child?  Their research shows how maternal depression and neglect can adversely affect the developing child.  The definition of neglect is inadequate responsiveness to the needs of young children by caregivers.  I have linked below relevant material:

http://developingchild.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/The-Science-of-Neglect-The-Persistent-Absence-of-Responsive-Care-Disrupts-the-Developing-Brain.pdf

http://developingchild.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Maternal-Depression-Can-Undermine-Development.pdf

- I understand Jeremy has been assessed by numerous psychologists during his long incarceration and as far as I am aware no professional has identified any mental illness and/or personality disorder.

Surely my comments above are highly relevant to the Bamber family and yet you have not included any aspect in your contribution to 'Killing Mum and Dad'?  I would also add that as far as I am aware the psychiatrist that treated June and Sheila privately, Dr Hugh Ferguson, did not at any stage of treating either woman make reference to any aspect of the above.  Nor did he discuss any aspect of this with Jeremy's defence therefore jurors were denied full knowledge of the psychological backgrounds of the victims and defendent.

Thank you for taking the time to read my email.

I would welcome any comments you might wish to make.

Yours sincerely


Kerry Daynes description of Bamber appears spot on to me Holly.

I'm unsure what you were hoping your email would achieve? What was your goal when you sent it?

In many of these cases, the prosecution do not look deeply into the background of the defendant. In the Simon Hall case, the police were aware Hall had been adopted but no further actioned this point. He was adopted, that was all they needed to know. Details of his adoption were irrelevant to the murder investigation.

Same applied to his psychological assessment pre trial. He was adopted. The forensic psychologist knew nothing other than what Hall told them. Even though many of the details he did tell them were inaccurate. These inaccurate details stayed on his files and went with him to prison, as I imagine they did with Bamber. Future prison assessments were based on these details.

Before Simon Hall died he came to learn much about his adoption, his bio parents, his younger bio siblings etc, and learned about their backgrounds. His bio father died by suicide for example. This information was not on Hall's prison records because Hall chose to not tell the prison.
« Last Edit: April 24, 2018, 09:40:29 AM by Stephanie »
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: My email to Kerry Daynes
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2018, 09:53:00 AM »
Did you receive a reply?

No.  I wasn't expecting one.

Do you not find it odd that Jeremy Bamber claims to be unaffected by his adoption; just as Simon Hall once also claimed?
No.
Pre trial, Bamber's defence learned he was a psychopath.
Please provide the evidence.

Pre trial, Simon Halls defence learned he had a dissocial personality. Just like Bamber, Hall duped further prison assessments. Simon Hall's inquest concluded he was not suffering from any mental health issues prior to his suicide.

The fact is Holly, Jeremy Bamber has never disclosed his pre trial assessment to the public nor indeed his supporters.

Ive no idea what a pre trial assessment is.  JB's trial was some 17 years before SH's maybe the process was different then?  SH had convictions for violent offending prior to his conviction for murder. 

I don't believe JB has duped anyone with regard to his physical or mental health.  Prof Egan no doubt had access to JB's complete prison file.  Do you think he would commit to the following without checking JB's prison records and background:

https://jeremybamber.org/psychological-reports/

"Dissocial personality disorder is one of ten personality disorders defined in the ICD-10 classification system. It is called [ censored word]ocial personality disorder in the DSM-IV and DSM-5 classification systems and is still sometimes referred to as such by professionals in the UK. For more information, see separate Personality Disorders and Psychopathy article.
People with dissocial personality disorder exhibit traits of impulsivity, high negative emotionality, low conscientiousness and associated behaviours, including irresponsible and exploitative behaviour, recklessness and deceitfulness. [1, 2]
People with dissocial personality disorder have often grown up with parental conflict and harsh inconsistent parenting. Their childhoods have typically featured parental inadequacies and often transfer of care to outside agencies. Associated with this is a high incidence of truancy, delinquency and substance misuse. [3] This in turn results in increased rates of unemployment, problems with housing and difficulties with relationships. Many people with dissocial personality disorder have a criminal conviction and are imprisoned or die prematurely as a result of reckless behaviour. [1, 2]
Criminal behaviour is central to the definition of dissocial personality disorder but there is much more to the disorder than just criminal behaviour. It is often preceded by other long-standing difficulties (socio-economic, educational, family, relationship). Psychopathy is considered to be a considerably severe form of dissocial personality disorder
https://medical.azureedge.net/pdf/9331.pdf

The victims weren't on trial!

No the victims weren't on trial but 2 of the 3 adult victims had long histories of mental illness. Furthermore CC drafted a letter intended for NB in which he stated he would not allow June to f**k up the minds of the twins as he suspected she had done with SC.

Btw, how do you think your email was perceived by Kerry Daynes?

I've no idea but it's there for the day of reckoning.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Nicholas

Re: My email to Kerry Daynes
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2018, 10:11:47 AM »
No.  I wasn't expecting one.
No.Please provide the evidence.

Ive no idea what a pre trial assessment is.  JB's trial was some 17 years before SH's maybe the process was different then?  SH had convictions for violent offending prior to his conviction for murder. 

Why then did you go to so much trouble to put your email together, send it to Kerry Daynes, then replicate it in order to post a copy on this forum?

What did you hope to achieve? What motivated you to do this in the first instance?

I do not need to provide evidence with regards Bambers pre trial assessment report confirming he was/is a psychopath.

Common sense would tell anyone the reason he has claimed for the last 3 decades he isn't one, says he was quite clearly labelled as one. Why would he go to such lengths in order to dupe his supporters and the public, if it was never suggested in the first place.

Simon Hall did indeed have previous convictions for violence in his youth and spent time in a young offenders institute.

However, Bamber committed a burglary some 5 months prior to the murders and admitted his guilt to police when arrested and questioned under caution in relation to the offence.

The fact Bamber robbed his own family business and admitted to it whilst under police caution gave him motive.
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Offline Nicholas

Re: My email to Kerry Daynes
« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2018, 10:27:24 AM »
Holly you stated:
"No the victims weren't on trial but 2 of the 3 adult victims had long histories of mental illness. Furthermore CC drafted a letter intended for NB in which he stated he would not allow June to f**k up the minds of the twins as he suspected she had done with SC."


What's your point?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: My email to Kerry Daynes
« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2018, 10:30:52 AM »
Ive no idea what a pre trial assessment is. 

Maybe you should look into it.

Then once you have, we could have an objective and reasoned debate about it.
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: My email to Kerry Daynes
« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2018, 10:50:48 AM »
Why then did you go to so much trouble to put your email together, send it to Kerry Daynes, then replicate it in order to post a copy on this forum?

It wasn't particularly troublesome.  Although admittedly it did extend to more than copying and pasting.

Debate and discussion.  Electronic footprint for the day of reckoning. 

What did you hope to achieve? What motivated you to do this in the first instance?

As above.  Studied psychology in the 80's.  The course didn't include PD's but it did include attachment and psychosocial development.  Experience and knowledge of adoption.  Think all of this has been overlooked in the case.  Thinks it's appalling that professionals ie Daynes can spout about an individual publically never having even met the individual. 


I do not need to provide evidence with regards Bambers pre trial assessment report confirming he was/is a psychopath.


No you don't to convince yourself but if you want to convince me and anyone who is evidence driven you will.

Common sense would tell anyone the reason he has claimed for the last 3 decades he isn't one, says he was quite clearly labelled as one. Why would he go to such lengths in order to dupe his supporters and the public, if it was never suggested in the first place.

I think it's like the bible ie I can't recall him making an issue out of not being a psychopath?  Please point me in the direction of where he has publicly stated this other than the OS and appearing in a tshirt with the slogan 'I'm not a psychopath'?

Simon Hall did indeed have previous convictions for violence in his youth and spent time in a young offenders institute.

However, Bamber committed a burglary some 5 months prior to the murders and admitted his guilt to police when arrested and questioned under caution in relation to the offence.

The fact Bamber robbed his own family business and admitted to it whilst under police caution gave him motive.

There's a big difference between violent offending and burglary/theft. 

Don't forget JM acted as look out during the burglary and carried out a fraud/theft independent of JB.  Would you label her a psychopath? 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Nicholas

Re: My email to Kerry Daynes
« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2018, 11:13:05 AM »
It wasn't particularly troublesome.  Although admittedly it did extend to more than copying and pasting.

Debate and discussion.  Electronic footprint for the day of reckoning. 


You state and I quote:
"Although admittedly it did extend to more than copying and pasting"

What volume of your email was copied and pasted or is this you having a snide dig?

"Electronic footprint for the day of reckoning"

So you openly admit to seeking out plaudits for your efforts over all these years?

What do you think we can conclude from these two observations Holly?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: My email to Kerry Daynes
« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2018, 12:38:40 PM »
It wasn't particularly troublesome.  Although admittedly it did extend to more than copying and pasting.

Debate and discussion.  Electronic footprint for the day of reckoning. 

As above.  Studied psychology in the 80's.  The course didn't include PD's but it did include attachment and psychosocial development.  Experience and knowledge of adoption.  Think all of this has been overlooked in the case.  Thinks it's appalling that professionals ie Daynes can spout about an individual publically never having even met the individual. 

No you don't to convince yourself but if you want to convince me and anyone who is evidence driven you will.
I think it's like the bible ie I can't recall him making an issue out of not being a psychopath?  Please point me in the direction of where he has publicly stated this other than the OS and appearing in a tshirt with the slogan 'I'm not a psychopath'?

There's a big difference between violent offending and burglary/theft. 

Don't forget JM acted as look out during the burglary and carried out a fraud/theft independent of JB.  Would you label her a psychopath?

Julie Mugford was and is a victim of Jeremy Bamber.

She turned Queens evidence and the jury in Bambers murder trial believed her over him.

Jeremy Bamber was found to be the "consummate actor!"

You and others can attempt to discredit JM as much as you wish but it only serves to highlight your own confirmation bias.
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Offline Nicholas

Re: My email to Kerry Daynes
« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2018, 05:16:14 PM »
September 2013
"A REAL-life Cracker has told how she was forced to take out an injunction
against a crazed stalker.

Serial-killer expert Kerry Daynes was targeted after she appeared on the first
series of When Life Means Life, which airs on the Crime & Investigation
Network.

She said: “I have had problems from supporters of serial killers, torturers
and rapists.

“There has been some unwanted attention and I even had to take an injunction
out on someone who was stalking me.

“It is still ongoing at court but I came to the attention of someone connected
to mass murderer Jeremy Bamber.


“They were constantly pestering me on the internet and I had to take legal
action. https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/tv/1031939/murder-expert-says-she-is-being-stalked/

“It is scary but generally, by and large, people who recognise me tend to just
be interested in what I do.”


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Offline Nicholas

Re: My email to Kerry Daynes
« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2018, 05:27:05 PM »
September 2013
"A REAL-life Cracker has told how she was forced to take out an injunction
against a crazed stalker
.

Serial-killer expert Kerry Daynes was targeted after she appeared on the first
series of When Life Means Life, which airs on the Crime & Investigation
Network.

She said: “I have had problems from supporters of serial killers, torturers
and rapists.

“There has been some unwanted attention and I even had to take an injunction
out on someone who was stalking me
.

“It is still ongoing at court but I came to the attention of someone connected
to mass murderer Jeremy Bamber.


“They were constantly pestering me on the internet and I had to take legal
action. https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/tv/1031939/murder-expert-says-she-is-being-stalked/

“It is scary but generally, by and large, people who recognise me tend to just
be interested in what I do.”

Jeremy Bambers supporters don't appear to be aware that many of "their" actions end up on Bamber's prison security files.

Wonder who Kerry Daynes alleged stalker is/was and who she had to take out an injunction on?

People who do this sort of thing aren't normal!
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Offline Nicholas

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Offline Nicholas

Re: My email to Kerry Daynes
« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2018, 05:52:55 PM »
This is some serious stuff though  *&^^&

http://www.itv.com/news/2018-04-19/strangers-website-offer-escalated-to-terrifying-stalking-ordeal-for-tv-forensic-psychologist-kerry-daynes/

https://www.suzylamplugh.org/blog/guest-blog-kerry-daynes-my-stalking-experience

"As a mental health professional I’m acutely aware that this man needs help. You don’t decide to stalk a person you have seen on TV because you are in a healthy and fulfilled place in your own life. Clearly he struggles with his own mental distress and, like most stalkers is consumed with a sense of entitlement that is triggered when he feels rebuffed and/or wronged. Nearly seven years in, he continues to re-register his website domain names -  as recently as Christmas last year. And, as it turns out, he has also received a Harassment Warning in relation to his behaviour towards another woman. He needs psychological treatment - just not from me
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Offline Nicholas

Re: My email to Kerry Daynes
« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2018, 06:40:33 PM »
It wasn't particularly troublesome.  Although admittedly it did extend to more than copying and pasting.

Debate and discussion.  Electronic footprint for the day of reckoning. 

As above.  Studied psychology in the 80's.  The course didn't include PD's but it did include attachment and psychosocial development.  Experience and knowledge of adoption.  Think all of this has been overlooked in the case.  Thinks it's appalling that professionals ie Daynes can spout about an individual publically never having even met the individual. 

No you don't to convince yourself but if you want to convince me and anyone who is evidence driven you will.
I think it's like the bible ie I can't recall him making an issue out of not being a psychopath?  Please point me in the direction of where he has publicly stated this other than the OS and appearing in a tshirt with the slogan 'I'm not a psychopath'?

There's a big difference between violent offending and burglary/theft. 

Don't forget JM acted as look out during the burglary and carried out a fraud/theft independent of JB.  Would you label her a psychopath?

https://www.pressreader.com/uk/sunday-sport/20101010/286057707905746
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