The Ocean Club organised missing child procedures - who, where, when, what?

[G-Unit]

So very close to 10 pm a woman appears at the night creche. Was she there to share the news or to collect a child? We don't know, but I would have thought her name would have been known if she was collecting a child. She was said to be the mother of a child in the Toddler 2 group.

I have wondered if it could have been Fiona. She knew Madeleine had disappeared and she was out and about at that time. I can't work out why she wasn't identified, though. Anyone else would have had to have moved very quickly and decisively, however.

[Robittybob1]

Crossland's right hand woman was Silvia Batista, who worked for him and his partners for 21 years. She was informed by him at around 22.30. So John Hill rang Crossland and he rang Silvia. Crossland got the time wrong in my opinion.

What and the PJ hadn't noticed all these errors creeping into the statements! How many times have you have had to say they were mistaken by the time now?  All those mistakes gone unnoticed by the PJ.  I doubt that very much.

[Robittybob1]

They had begun the missing child procedure 10 minutes before informing manager John Hill. Emma went to apartment 5A straight away.

At about 22.17 I received a call from Lyndsey Johnson, the creche Manager, informing me that the girl had gone missing. I met Lyndsey and the Service Manager, Amy Tierney, near to the Tapas Bar and we initiated the 'Mark Warner procedures for the search of a missing child'.

I was told who the missing girl was and at the beginning of the procedure went to the McCann's apartment to obtain the girl's description and of the clothes she was wearing when she disappeared.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EMMA-LOUISE.htm

Unless a time is specified I think we have to accept Emma Knights went to the apartment (to obtain the girl's description and of the clothes she was wearing when she disappeared) before John Hill arrived on the scene.

[Robittybob1]

So very close to 10 pm a woman appears at the night creche. Was she there to share the news or to collect a child? We don't know, but I would have thought her name would have been known if she was collecting a child. She was said to be the mother of a child in the Toddler 2 group.

I have wondered if it could have been Fiona. She knew Madeleine had disappeared and she was out and about at that time. I can't work out why she wasn't identified, though. Anyone else would have had to have moved very quickly and decisively, however.

Look the only reason I can see is that there is an earlier incident the PJ and the Ocean Club wish to keep confidential.  So the times and information is correct, it is just that the identifying detail is kept out of it.

You seem to have sensed that too when you say "I can't work out why she wasn't identified".

Fiona is so unlikely to have been that woman.  They had the child monitor so they say they didn't move from the table.
It is the lady who had previously spoken to the man looking for the child that makes it all the way to the main reception.  Trouble was he called her Maddie or Gabbie, so could the other missing child in the earlier incident be named Gabriel, so gets called Gabbie as much as Madeleine is shortened to Maddie?

For it is the deduction work by the creche staff who figure that it could have been Madeleine McCann, on a different day their deductions could have been all wrong, but that night they fluked it and got it right.

So I find I've made a concession here, either there was a another missing girl named Gabbie or there was someone looking for Madeleine up to 20 minutes before Kate came back saying Madeleine has gone.

[Robittybob1]

If Madeleine is living under an assumed identity it could be Gabriela, Gabrielle, Gabbie or something like that.

[G-Unit]

Look the only reason I can see is that there is an earlier incident the PJ and the Ocean Club wish to keep confidential.  So the times and information is correct, it is just that the identifying detail is kept out of it.

You seem to have sensed that too when you say "I can't work out why she wasn't identified".

Fiona is so unlikely to have been that woman.  They had the child monitor so they say they didn't move from the table.
It is the lady who had previously spoken to the man looking for the child that makes it all the way to the main reception.  Trouble was he called her Maddie or Gabbie, so could the other missing child in the earlier incident be named Gabriel, so gets called Gabbie as much as Madeleine is shortened to Maddie?

For it is the deduction work by the creche staff who figure that it could have been Madeleine McCann, on a different day their deductions could have been all wrong, but that night they fluked it and got it right.

So I find I've made a concession here, either there was a another missing girl named Gabbie or there was someone looking for Madeleine up to 20 minutes before Kate came back saying Madeleine has gone.

Fiona could have reached the night creche by 22.05; she went off on her own. Where did you get this 'man looking for the child' idea from?

[G-Unit]

Look the only reason I can see is that there is an earlier incident the PJ and the Ocean Club wish to keep confidential.  So the times and information is correct, it is just that the identifying detail is kept out of it.

You seem to have sensed that too when you say "I can't work out why she wasn't identified".

Fiona is so unlikely to have been that woman.  They had the child monitor so they say they didn't move from the table.
It is the lady who had previously spoken to the man looking for the child that makes it all the way to the main reception.  Trouble was he called her Maddie or Gabbie, so could the other missing child in the earlier incident be named Gabriel, so gets called Gabbie as much as Madeleine is shortened to Maddie?

For it is the deduction work by the creche staff who figure that it could have been Madeleine McCann, on a different day their deductions could have been all wrong, but that night they fluked it and got it right.

So I find I've made a concession here, either there was a another missing girl named Gabbie or there was someone looking for Madeleine up to 20 minutes before Kate came back saying Madeleine has gone.

I'm more inclined to think that the disappearance of Madeleine was discovered before 10 pm.

Later, at around 21:40, he left the restaurant passing through the same esplanade where moments before, he had seen the same table occupied by the three couples, empty, who had left in the meanwhile various items, principally clothing. He was told by his colleagues that the child who had disappeared was a child of one of those couples;
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ARLINDO-PELEGA.htm

On the night of the disappearance, 3rd May, she was working in her bar when some employee who she cannot identify (but whom she knows works for Mark Warner) informed them that a girl had disappeared from the OC. The time would have been about 22.15.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JUNE_WRIGHT.htm

He heard about the news being investigated on the evening of 3rd May at about 21.30 - 21.40 from P**** B******, a Dutchman and owner of the Atlantico restaurant, who passed by the witness near the Baptista supermarket, in P da L and who asked for his help in searching for Madeleine.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/BAREND_WEIJDOM.htm

[Robittybob1]

Fiona could have reached the night creche by 22.05; she went off on her own. Where did you get this 'man looking for the child' idea from?

Charlotte Pennington on the dispatches documentary IIRC.

[slartibartfast]

I'm more inclined to think that the disappearance of Madeleine was discovered before 10 pm.

Later, at around 21:40, he left the restaurant passing through the same esplanade where moments before, he had seen the same table occupied by the three couples, empty, who had left in the meanwhile various items, principally clothing. He was told by his colleagues that the child who had disappeared was a child of one of those couples;
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ARLINDO-PELEGA.htm

On the night of the disappearance, 3rd May, she was working in her bar when some employee who she cannot identify (but whom she knows works for Mark Warner) informed them that a girl had disappeared from the OC. The time would have been about 22.15.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JUNE_WRIGHT.htm

He heard about the news being investigated on the evening of 3rd May at about 21.30 - 21.40 from P**** B******, a Dutchman and owner of the Atlantico restaurant, who passed by the witness near the Baptista supermarket, in P da L and who asked for his help in searching for Madeleine.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/BAREND_WEIJDOM.htm

It starts to shrink the window of opportunity IMO.

[Robittybob1]

Charlotte Pennington on the dispatches documentary IIRC.

https://youtu.be/InJLmyakzeE?t=186 For what Charlotte says.

[jassi]

https://youtu.be/InJLmyakzeE?t=186 For what Charlotte says.

Does that differ from her statement at the time?
If so, I'd go with the earlier statement as the more reliable.

[Robittybob1]

I'm more inclined to think that the disappearance of Madeleine was discovered before 10 pm.

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He heard about the news being investigated on the evening of 3rd May at about 21.30 - 21.40 from P**** B******, a Dutchman and owner of the Atlantico restaurant, who passed by the witness near the Baptista supermarket, in P da L and who asked for his help in searching for Madeleine.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/BAREND_WEIJDOM.htm

That statement from Barend would totally support my concept of an earlier incident.

"He then went to the place where the events occurred which was at about 21.45 - 21.50. At this time various local people and MW staff were present.

When questioned he said that the police wasn’t there yet but arrived about 5 minutes later.

He is actually saying the Police arrived at 10:00 PM or 22.00 Now how do you tie all that in with the actual phone call evidence and the reports from the GNR officers themselves that it was nearer 11:00 PM rather than 10:00 PM?

[Robittybob1]

Does that differ from her statement at the time?
If so, I'd go with the earlier statement as the more reliable.

You do what you like.

[G-Unit]

https://youtu.be/InJLmyakzeE?t=186 For what Charlotte says.

I notice she says there was one child left and the woman was there to collect that child.  According to her colleague;

The witness immediately helped in the searches, whilst her colleague Charlotte remained at the crêche, looking after the other children that were there and waiting for the arrival of the last parents, after which she also began searching.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JACQUELINE_WILLIAMS.htm

[Robittybob1]

I'm more inclined to think that the disappearance of Madeleine was discovered before 10 pm.

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On the night of the disappearance, 3rd May, she was working in her bar when some employee who she cannot identify (but whom she knows works for Mark Warner) informed them that a girl had disappeared from the OC. The time would have been about 22.15.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JUNE_WRIGHT.htm

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What June Wright says would tie perfectly with what Emma Knight said. 22.15 is around the time   Lyndsay Johnson rang her.
"On the night of the disappearance, 3rd May, she was working in her bar when some employee who she cannot identify (but whom she knows works for Mark Warner) informed them that a girl had disappeared from the OC. The time would have been about 22.15." 
So quoting her doesn't help your case.