Sandra Lean and Billy Middleton (WAP) exit from Luke Mitchell case!

[John]

Well, knock me down with a feather!!...Sandra Lean gets it wrong again!!

After many long years promoting the 'Luke Mitchell is innocent' agenda, Dr Sandra Lean and Billy Middleton have called it a day and exited from the case.  Has this something to do with what I predicted quite some time ago and that it that the SCCRC have refused to refer the case to Edinburgh's Court of Appeal.

Sandra Leans co admin at Wrongly Accused Person Organsation, Billy Middleton, explains in his latest rendering...

The road to where things now are for Luke and his case has been a long, difficult and often stressful one for all those who have genuinely believed in and supported him. I say genuinely because, as we know from experience, not everyone who becomes involved in cases such as this have genuine motives. Sandra became involved at a much earlier stage than most, but I don't think anyone with any credibility would suggest she has been anything other than supportive, or that she hasn't tried hard for almost 11 years, at great personal hardship, and often in difficult circumstances, to both help and to expose facts of the case which otherwise would probably still not be known.

Unfortunately, shortly before the SCCRC refusal, at a time when she knew it's decision was imminent, Sandra came to a point whereby she was no longer prepared to carry on and wrote to Luke explaining why. She remains supportive to this day. Anyone involved in the horror of fighting a wrongful conviction will understand the ever present difficulties of the situation.

Luke was merely a child himself when he was incarcerated, now, although he's not been allowed to develop as he should have been, he's a man. What he does now, and the choices he now makes are his alone to make and his responsibility. I wish him well, hope he makes wise choices and is someday successful. For me every day longer will be yet another too long for both him and Jodi to finally get the justice they deserve. However, in the absence of the connection that once existed, and the mandate which went along with it to validate what has been exposed both here on the forum and on his caseblog, WAP is in a difficult position. It is the most sensitive of cases, and the extent and nature of what has been highlighted could only be done in large part due to the fact it has been done on the basis of having access to the supporting documents. Clearly that is no longer the case, and while I had hoped to be able to archive it due to a SCCRC referral, I don't really see how it can remain available.

So while I wish Luke well and hope for a positive outcome, anything which depends on access to his paperwork will have to be taken offline in a week's time roughly. It does not in any way reflect a change in opinion on his case, and if anyone wants to start a topic which isn't notably said to be backed up by case papers they are perfectly free to do so in the general forum area as with any other deserved case providing discussion remains polite, respectful to all concern and dignified.l

Considerable thought has been given to this decision, and it has not been arrived at lightly, but sadly I can't see how, given the nature of the case and all that goes along with it how it can remain now.


www.forum.wronglyaccusedperson.org.uk/series-on-cases-from-sandra-leans-book-no-smoke/luke-mitchell-wrongly-convicted-of-murder-general/150/

[insider]

It is being alleged that Corinne Mitchell (Luke's mother) was banned from posting on WAP two years ago and that someone with access to her account had been posting fake comments in her name.  Both Middleton and Lean have refused to answer this accusation and what has followed is a massive falling out.

Middleton has now decided to make some of this public in an attempt to save face but it is too little, too late.  Wrongly Accused Person Org has been shown up once and for all as a sham organisation and will find it difficult to recover from the shame.  There's always the mussel sheds Billy!

[ActualMat]

I think that Sandra Lean can now officially be called - disgraced.

[Mr.Rabbit]

Sandra Lean is a bully as well as a liar. I was one of the so called accused, not a shred of evidence against me except a statement from a man who has a severe criminal record that has since came to light. I knew all about it from the start I knew it would eventually catch up with him and Sandra Lean. Anytime I contacted her on the 'Luke Mitchell' is innocent website she got right onto her cronies and I would receive death threats over the phone, be visited n public places by he man with the long and hash criminal record who would make threats against and my family. He even went to my mothers door, she is her Sixties and disabled  just to show me she could be got at! What type of human being does such a thing? He assaulted me in full view of half a dozen people after I had left a comment on Ms.Leans web pag. All of this I reported to the police. Just to set a couple of things straight I never had big cuts on my face the day after the murder I had a tiny scratch is all, he did not drive me to the police station the day after and he never said what amount of money we would get but he did say we would get money if we spoke to the press and get a wee holiday out of it. I never wanted anything to do with it it was sick, the man bullied me. He got a holiday out of it as the daily record accidentally used his name as the suspect he got just over a grand in damages. I have never received anything for the mental anguish myself and family have been through. I think he was merely a puppet in Sandra Leans games which have now came to a head but I'm still stuck with totally untrue accusations against me and haven't even received a sorry let alone anything else. I knew about his criminal past but I never mentioned it, I never spoke to reporters, which he wanted me to. He used to make jokes about it and him and him only ever brought it up as you know it was nearly 4 years before he came forward after a falling out between us, the police didn't take him serious and he gave a high court statement Han is all lies and I have many witness that can back that up. He bullied me after he had went to the police, trying to keep me in line and watch who I spoke to but I just didn't want anything to do with it god I wasn't even sure he was telling the truth about talking to the police cause like I said he used to make jokes about it. If they haughty they were right then how come whenever I questioned Sandra lean she would get right on to him to go and do her dirty work which was harass me. I have a load of witness to prove everything he said is a lie that's why I was never worried. I just think it's shocking that a man can take half truths, 3rd hand stories and just lies then go to the police with this rubbish and before you know it my name is on the 6 o'clock news, in newspapers giving totally false information about me and iv never received any type of closure or apology or anything from the people involved. Maybe karma has just taken it's time he's been exposed for the violent criminal who done jail for armed robbery and Sandra Lean, not for the first time, is wrong. I went through hell and back because of them but I'm not going to waste my life looking for revenge I knew in time it would all come out. Here's to the innocent among us, don't let the b........s grind you down.

[Paranoid Android]

Good for you, bud - you've kept a dignified silence throughout, and have been through the mill with everything that's happened. Fair play to you - hope you're well.

[Spanny]

Sandra  Lean ? She's the type of person I'm talking about when I say some people do more harm than good in high profile MOJs and her association with the Mitchell case is a great example

Her motive for getting involved in this case goes back to the original case where there might be a case of Mitchell's conviction being overturned . Sandra wasn't having this , no to murderers walking the streets so got all the court papers to put a stop to this only to find there was no evidence whatsoever to convict Mitchell and was obviously innocent

Nice story but not one that never rings true since there's no legal precedent for this . If the appeal court rule the conviction is unsafe you're walking out of court regardless of what outraged mother of Daily Mail land thinks

According to Lean and her WAP website she knows Luke is innocent and she can prove it . A pity she didn't prove it to the appeal court in 2009 and the knockbacked appeal of 2011 . Despite having all this proof she claims to have in private , publically she's left pointing the finger at nearly every male in Dalkeith while clutching at straws such as the polygraph test

Ah yes the polygraph test which isn't used anywhere outside of the Jeremy Kyle Show but didn't Lean proclaiming to the world it proves Corinne and Luke are the most honest people on the planet

As a footnote to the polygraph test the topic crop cropped up in a thread on the Jambos Kickback forum , the unofficial website for fans of Hearts Football club . Hearts being an Edinburgh club it does have many fans in the Dalkeith area and with a couple of pages everyone universally condemned the lie detector test as a gimmick . Strangely at this point two people who had never posted before registered with the site to point out that the police , media , jury and everyone else is wrong to think Mitchell is guilty and if they take the time to visit Sandra's WAP website and buy her book No Smoke they'll find out there's been a worldwide conspiracy against him and he got stiched up . After 15 pages of the forum asking " Where you getting this rubbish that Mitchell is innocent from ? "  only to be told " Sandra Lean knows the truth she's not allowed to go in to details " Dr Sandra Lean herself turned up saying she can answer questions on Luke Mitchell " But I'm not allowed to go in to details " . At this point that int the admin intervened and stated " This is a forum for football fans and not for soapboxing , shrills or peddling wares " and the thread was locked with the implication Dr Sandra Lean were one orboth of these two newly registered members defending Mitchell

As it stands despite claiming for years that Mitchell was innocent Lean has now walked away from the case . So much for all this evidence you had eh Sandra ? I don't suppose you want to tell us why you've changed your mind Sandra ? She has form for backing losers . Simon Hall features in No Smoke and later confessed to the murder and the way Lean Hall's widow afterwards was disgraceful . Adrian Prout was another of her lost causes . At the time I do remember thinking Mitchell was treated disgracefully by the media and police . I still do and the appeal courts and the SCCRC have confirmed this . However no new evidence has been presented and I'm fairly convinced with hindsight that the jury made the correct decision helped in no small part by Lean's hysterical finger pointing and straw clutching

In short it's got to the point where if Lean associates herself with a case I'd be 100 per cent convinced of that person's guilt simply because they're associating themselves with Lean who so far has a failure rate of 100 per cent and can't see how it's possible for her to improve on this

Do yourself a favour Sandra and get yourself a new hobby . No one is interested in hiring Judi Dench or Helen Mirren to star as you in a bio=pic of your life story 

ETA read the forum rules so here's the link to the 15 page jambos kickback thread

http://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/110882-luke-mitchell/

Make up your own mind about who Allan M and Consider This might be

[John]

Thanks for the interesting comments guys.  I know exactly what you are talking about Mr Rabbit, your former pal threatened me too some time ago when his name came up on our previous forum.  Apparently he felt having his name plastered all over the internet would not be conducive to his new career.

On another note, I see Billy Middleton has pulled all the Luke Mitchell posts from the Wrongly Accused Person forum on the basis that Sandra no longer holds a Power of Attorney on behalf of Luke Mitchell.  I fail to see the connection since nobody needs a POA to discuss cases in the public domain.  Just another sad excuse if the truth be known. Corinne gave Sandra the boot...end off!   

[Paranoid Android]

On another note, I see Billy Middleton has pulled all the Luke Mitchell posts from the Wrongly Accused Person forum on the basis that Sandra no longer holds a Power of Attorney on behalf of Luke Mitchell.  I fail to see the connection since nobody needs a POA to discuss cases in the public domain.  Just another sad excuse if the truth be known. Corinne gave Sandra the boot...end off!

I agree - I don't see the connection either. I would guess that the Luke Mitchell threads have been removed for one of two reasons:

Sandra Lean no longer wishes to be associated with the case; or

The Mitchells no longer wish to be associated with Sandra Lean, and have insisted on the threads being pulled.

For what it's worth, I think Sandra Lean gave everything she had to the cause, and genuinely seemed/seems convinced of Luke Mitchell's innocence.

[Spanny]

Any idea what convinced her he was innocent apart from what the rest of the Scottish public read and heard in the lead up and during the trial ?

And this is what gets me about Lean and her followers . For several years she has constantly bawled that Mitchell is innocent , she has all the court papers and evidence that he's innocent and yet all during this time claimed Donald Findley screwed up the entire trial  posted innuendo about the Jones family and other people in the area , clutched at straws claiming Robert Green might have been responsible and came up with the laughable gimmick of having Mitchell and his mother doing a polygraph test knowing fine well it doesn't hold up in court . For someone who is adamant that Mitchell is innocent and claims she has proof she has not revealed a single piece of evidence that he is

Now she's departed from the case she still lamely claims he's innocent but is as coy as to why she's doing it as she was in producing the evidence that Mitchell was innocent

Oh BTW if I'm ever find myself in the unfortunate position  of being on trial for anything can I respectfully ask that Lean , Billy Middleton and Nugnug stay away from my case . Having them fronting a campaign is like having Adolph Hitler in charge of race relations

[Paranoid Android]

Any idea what convinced her he was innocent apart from what the rest of the Scottish public read and heard in the lead up and during the trial ?

I can't speak for her, obviously. but i think she claimed that the supposed timeline 'proved' that Mitchell couldn't have done it. Not buying that, myself.

There was also the lack of definite proof of Mitchell's guilt - the evidence used against him was circumstantial.

[John]

The discrepancies between the brothers testimonies was the killer blow imo.  Shane was warned that he would be done for perjury if he lied under oath which sort of put the kibosh on any concocted tale.

I have always said that the two of them could never have been at home at the same time and not known that the other was there.  In any event Shane was on alert for anyone coming into the house as he claimed to have been watching porn on his computer, he certainly didn't want his mother catching him out.

For his part, Luke claimed to be home cooking and burning dinner, not an operation one could undertake without the person upstairs hearing and smelling it.

Basically a load of bull from one of them!

[Nicholas]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-41528919

[Nicholas]

Here's another of the cases WAP were supporting -


Nicks Letter to his supporters re the Lie detector issue and bullying tactics of Jammi Dodger:

Dear Members,

I know I only wrote a couple of weeks ago but due to an issue that has come up I feel I should explain things. My Mum told me today that someone posted something on the group wall about the “Lie-detector” issue, it’s been going on for a couple of months now, it was put to me that the Sun newspaper wanted to print an article after I passed & after some consideration weighing up all the pro’s & con’s I have declined the offer & since then Jammi Dodger has been on the offensive about doing it even after I explained to him all my issues & concerns so much so he is upsetting my mum, which I’m not having, so now he’s gone public on the group about it, it’s my turn now to go public with my concerns, firstly it’s not & never will be recognised by the british justice system as it would open up all kinds of problems for them, so because it’s not recognised, to get it done it need to be approved by the likes of the home office, justice officials, prison governors & psychology department in the prison & whether they allow it or not one thing is for sure is all my progress goes out of the window & goes down on my file, all the people I’ve mentioned are the same people who decide on my progress through the system & eventually my parole (if no new evidence comes in), so either two things could happen either I could be sent back to the high security prisons or stay here for about 10 years when I’ve already been told that if I behave and keep my head down for 4-5 years I can go to a cat C prison which is where they prepare you for open conditions & release, as a lifer you have to be in an open prison to be considered for release, I lower my risk to the public with the courses I do & they are based on my previous convictions, that’s the only way lifers get released (innocent or guilty ones), that’s the official part of it & now for the personal part of it, I’ve spent over 8 years in prisons that they send the worst of the worst, in this time we have thrown everything into an appeal & I’m still not home, a few years ago my outlook on life was “if I don’t get my appeal in 10 years I would give up on life all together” I’ve been close to doing myself in twice since I’ve been in prison because of that outlook on life & still keep the last letters I wrote to my loved ones in case my head ever went again, because writing them letters was so hard, my outlook changed when I went to Long Lartin, because of a friend of my families who was there, he sat me down & gave me a talk & pulled no punches, he told me “Yes I’ve been dealt a rough card in life & don’t deserve to be in prison but look at the worst outcome of my life, if I get my appeal then it’s great but if I don’t get it & keep my head in prison & do my courses I’ll be home in my forties with a chance to live a bit of life” & then he told me some examples of other people who are worse of than me, if I’m honest he made me look small but I knew it was the truth, he don’t know it but he probably saved my life that day because I’ve changed my whole outlook on my situation & yes in a way I’ve half accepted I might have to do this sentence, the only question is how I do the sentence, one option is don’t conform & spend maybe another 20 years in prison or do it the way I’m doing it by behaving myself, doing the courses as an appellant & at least this way I’m progressing through the system to release & at the same time still appealing, I would understand people may not see it the way I do & may have concerns, but what I would say to them is to understand me you need to have been through the last 8+ years I’ve been through, also to know my innocent campaign is mainly based on evidence & the witnesses that saw Charlotte alive after I was seen with her & the fact is new evidence is the only thing that will get me back to the appeal court & not a lie-detector, it would ruin things in jail for me, all for an article in the Sun, who were one of the papers that wrote terrible things about me in the past.
I would completely understand if anyone wanted to leave the group if they don’t agree with my decision, it would hurt but like I said I would understand, I just had to write this to you all to give you my side of what Jammi Dodger put on the group.
The stuff about the way my outlook used to be may shock people but it’s how I was & the truth….
Sorry it’s all a bit of a downer again.

Take care

Nicky
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=2992.30

[Nicholas]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2083600/I-asked-fiance-lie-detector-test-didnt-murder-wife--proved-killer.html

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=595.0

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/jul/28/justice-on-trial-nick-rose

And another

https://insidetime.org/truth-justice-certainty-and-finality/

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scots-mum-tells-relief-murdering-6414735

"If you’d like to take the mic, or have someone read one of your pieces for you, please contact Graham Robinson or Joy France (links are facebook pages). Alternatively, you can email Billy Middleton (admin@wronglyaccusedperson.org.uk) and he will forward them your information. http://www.false-allegations.org.uk/2014-miscarriage-justice-day-public-meeting/

[Guiltyascharged]

its said there was a big falling out between luke and sandra and corine, i dont think luke and sandra have spoken for many years. can anyone shed some light on this?