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Offline j.rob

Another inexplicable aspect of the McCann version of events is this. Jane Tanner claims she saw a man carrying a sleeping child at 9.15pm. At the time she did not consider this to be suspicious because Gerry had just checked on Madeleine and everything seemed to be fine.

Okay - so far so good. That is credible.

At 10pm Kate enters the apartment and finds Madeleine missing. She runs out of the apartment to raise the alarm.

Okay - odd, but let's believe everything up to this point.

This is when it gets curiouser and curiouser, as Alice would say.

According to Kate in her book, the Mark Warner missing child alert is not activated until 10.30pm That strikes me as a long time, given that Kate claims to 'know' that a stranger has abducted her child. Why wait half an hour to alert hotel reception. That's ages.

Odder still, is Jane Tanners behaviour. You would reasonably expect, given what she had seen at 9.15pm, that once Kate raised the alarm and claimed that a stranger had stolen Madeleine from her bed, Jane Tanner would immediately put two and two together and call the police.    ...... factually incorrect thus removed .......

But what DID Jane Tanner do? Helpfully, as always, Kate explains on page 76 of her book: 'When I'd discovered that Madeleine was missing she (Jane) had beeen in her apartment three doors along. Hearing the commotion, she had come out and discovered what was going on. '

Okay. So now what?!

This is the moment of truth, right? Still within the critical hour or so after a child has gone missing. Those first few hours are vital, we are told.

Well: 'Taking Fiona to one side, she told her how, after leaving the restaurant.....and having passed Gerry....she had seen this man......Obviously at the time she had thought little of it: as far as any of us knew, Madeleine was asleep in her bed, and, having just seen Gerry, Jane was well aware that he had been in our apartment only a few minutes before........As soon as she heard about Madeleine's disappearance, everything fell into place and she felt sick.'

Okay - so Jane Tanner has seen the man who she thinks abducted Madeleine.

According to Kate in her book: 'She (Jane) immediately reported this sighting to the police.'

But according to the PJ files, the first call logged at GNR in Lagos was at 22.50. The GNR then arrived between 12 and 15 minutes later.

Why did it take 50 minutes for Jane Tanner to alert the police, given that 'she felt sick' over what she had seen. In other words, the inference being that she had seen Madeleine being abducted.

According to Kate's book the alarm was raised at 10pm but if you look at the PJ files witnesses give different times for when they heard the alarm being raised - as early as 9.20pm - the Chef, 21.30 - 21.40 - the Property Manager. At 21.45 a waiter reports seeing no-one at the table as they had all left in a panic. Many other witnesses report the alarm being raised at between 9.30pm and 9.40pm.

So what is going on here? Are all those witnesses wrong about the time that the alarm was raised? Or has Kate chosen to adjust the timings, to allow a bit of extra time before the police were called and to allow for the extra '10pm 'check'.

In any event, even if you ignore this glaring discrepancy (which is glaring - just look at the PJ files, there are loads of witnesses reporting what they saw and heard that evening) it is recorded that the first call logged at GMR Lagos is 22.50pm.

If we are to believe the witnesses who said they heard a commotion and news of a missing child at times between 9.20pm and 9.40pm, that places an even longer gap between the alarm being raised and a call to the police station being logged.  A gap of well over an hour.

But whatever the precise time that the alarm was raised, there is no record of a call to the police from the McCanns or their friends at 10pm, Which is what you would expect given the apparent importance of Jane Tanner's sighting.

Instead, on page 73 of Kate's book we learn that: 'Just after 10.10pm, Gerry asked Matt to run to the Ocean Club's 24-hour reception to get staff to call the police.' She then states on the next page that: 'AT 10.35 the police had still not arrived.'

That's because the McCanns or their friends didn't call them. Why didn't Fiona immediately alert the police herself? What about Mrs Fenn? she offered to lend Gerry her phone to call police but he said it had already been done. What nonchalance!!He hadn't even bothered to call police himself and he couldn't even be bothered to call on a neighbour's phone.

What does that tell you?

From this point onwards everything is everyone else's fault - especially the police - they are too late, too inefficient, too Portuguese and, worst of all, they don't take the McCann's story seriously.

So we can deduce from this that the Portuguese police were probably quite bright - a lot brighter than some people.

And the McCanns and their friends are seemingly believing that Madeleine's mystery abductor has spirited her far away from the resort: 'Aware that we were only an hour and a quarter's drive from southern Spain, and beyond that lay the borderless continent of Europe - not to mention the short hop across the Strait of Gibraltar to north Africa - David was saying: 'We need roadblocks set up. The borders to Spain, Morocco and Algiers need to be alerted.'

Notice how soon the McCanns and their friends are moving Madeleine away from the Ocean Club and towards some unknown destination which could be - practically anywhere in the world.

And, of course, the world is a big place and finding a child in the world is a bit like looking for a needle in a haystack. It could take years and years. Year's of fund money. Years of selling newspapers. Years of 'mystery sightings'. Not to mention a shed-load of tax-payers money.

Funny old world, eh?

« Last Edit: September 25, 2014, 01:40:09 AM by John »

Offline pathfinder73

Re: A child abducted yet nobody thought to phone the police immediately?
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2014, 08:22:44 PM »
But whatever the precise time that the alarm was raised, there is no record of a call to the police from the McCanns or their friends at 10pm, Which is what you would expect given the apparent importance of Jane Tanner's sighting.

The police would have been called straight away at 10pm if you knew an abduction had taken place as they claim but Smithman hasn't finished his job yet. Can't call them until he's safely back.

Instead, on page 73 of Kate's book we learn that: 'Just after 10.10pm, Gerry asked Matt to run to the Ocean Club's 24-hour reception to get staff to call the police.' She then states on the next page that: 'AT 10.35 the police had still not arrived.'

According to Matt is was Fiona who asked him not Gerry. Matt always puts a spanner in the works  8)-)))
« Last Edit: January 28, 2014, 04:09:35 AM by John »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

AnneGuedes

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Re: A child abducted yet nobody thought to phone the police immediately?
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2014, 09:23:41 PM »
In the case of a witnessed abduction or a high probability of abduction, the European abduction alert is deployed within 1 hour, supposing the authorities are alerted right away through the European alert number 112 or through the specific number 116000, because the authorities have to know the situation in order to write down the message that will appear on TVs, highways and public spaces.

Offline j.rob

Re: A child abducted yet nobody thought to phone the police immediately?
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2014, 12:56:47 AM »
Yes indeed....and it seems that Gerry McCann, despite apparently ardently believing that his daughter had been abducted by an unknown paedophile ....simply cannot bring himself to call the police.

We know he has a mobile phone because he used it quite a bit before, during and after his daughter's alleged abduction. But it seems that, however keen he was to use his phone, he did not want to use it in connection with the (paedophile) abduction of his daughter.

Poor old  Matt seems to be the stooge here.  It is almost as though mobile phones have not been invented, when it comes to Madeleine.

In Kate's book, Madeleine:  'Just after 10.10pm, Gerry asked Matt to run to the Ocean Club's 24-hour reception to get staff to call the police.'

Errr.....Gerry was mighty busy on his phone in the days surrounding the disappearance of his daughter so it seems more than extraordinary that he would not use the device that was, according to his wife attached to his ear AFTER her disappearance, AT THE TIME of her disappearance. Would that not be a vital time to use your mobile? I think it would be.

But no - it appears that Gerry doesn't think it appropriate to use his mobile to call the police when he apparently believes that his daughter has been abducted by a paedophile, instead he prefers to involve a friend in his sordid drama and get him to 'run to the reception'....

What was Gerry thinking - he might almost have used a carrier pigeon....why did he have to involve Matt, when he could perfectly well have used his mobile phone - or, in fact, how about running to reception himself, rather than getting everyone else to do his donkey work?

And Matt gets used once again, at 10.35pm (according to Kate's book) when the police have still not arrived (nor surprising really since the McCanns have not called them) .....Gerry STILL has a problem with his mobile. Once again, he adopts the carrier pigeon approach - stooge Matt is sent running up to reception to 'find out what is happening'. See - Gerry still has to get other people to carry out the donkey work so he can distance himself from what is really happening.

After this, Kate and Gerry seem to be screaming at everyone that 'nothing is happening' or 'where are the police' or shouting at people that are potentially helpful, but simply do not believe the McCircus.

Hmmm....



Offline sadie

Re: A child abducted yet nobody thought to phone the police immediately?
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2014, 01:08:26 AM »
Another inexplicable aspect of the McCann version of events is this. Jane Tanner claims she saw a man carrying a sleeping child at 9.15pm. At the time she did not consider this to be suspicious because Gerry had just checked on Madeleine and everything seemed to be fine.

As far as we are aware j.Rob, at the relevant sighting time, Jane Tanner never gave the man and child a thought, as to be doing anything wrong.  As far as we are aware Gerry didn't even enter into her head relative to the man and the child, cos that man could have come from any of the flats, indeed from anywhere in a westerly direction. 
Can we be accurate please.


Okay - so far so good. That is credible.

At 10pm Kate enters the apartment and finds Madeleine missing. She runs out of the apartment to raise the alarm.

Okay - odd, but let's believe everything up to this point.

What a vivid imagination you have to find it odd that she runs 70 metres (50 metres crow flies) to alert her husband and friends and get immediate support.  An athletic woman like kate would have done that distance in a trice

This is when it gets curiouser and curiouser, as Alice would say.

According to Kate in her book, the Mark Warner missing child alert is not activated until 10.30pm That strikes me as a long time, given that Kate claims to 'know' that a stranger has abducted her child. Why wait half an hour to alert hotel reception. That's ages.
Get your facts right J.Rob.  Matt ran to OC main reception as soon as they realised that Madeleine was not wandering around in the immediate vicinity.  IIRC he asked for the Police to be called by 10.15pm, but reception did not react properly.  Seems an official OC process had to be gone thru. before calling Police.


But what DID Jane Tanner do? Helpfully, as always, Kate explains on page 76 of her book: 'When I'd discovered that Madeleine was missing she (Jane) had been in her apartment three doors along. Hearing the commotion, she had come out and discovered what was going on. '

Okay. So now what?!

This is the moment of truth, right? Still within the critical hour or so after a child has gone missing. Those first few hours are vital, we are told.

Well: 'Taking Fiona to one side, she told her how, after leaving the restaurant.....and having passed Gerry....she had seen this man......Obviously at the time she had thought little of it: as far as any of us knew, Madeleine was asleep in her bed, and, having just seen Gerry, Jane was well aware that he had been in our apartment only a few minutes before........As soon as she heard about Madeleine's disappearance, everything fell into place and she felt sick.'

Okay - so Jane Tanner has seen the man who she thinks abducted Madeleine.

According to Kate in her book: 'She (Jane) immediately reported this sighting to the police.'
When the Police, who were only the GNR, finally arrived.  Remember Madeleine was reported missing at 10.15 ish and the police were expected any second.  The Mccann Family were really let down by the late arrival of the GNR, who failed to arrive for approximately 50 minutes.  The first golden hour gone !

Again total ignorance of the truth.  Jane Tanner is NOT a doctor.


But according to the PJ files, the first call logged at GNR in Lagos was at 22.50. The GNR then arrived between 12 and 15 minutes later.

Why did it take 50 minutes for Jane Tanner to alert the police, given that 'she felt sick' over what she had seen. In other words, the inference being that she had seen Madeleine being abducted.
AS said before, reception was alerted almost immediately.  As far as the Tapas Group were concerned the Police would be arriving very soon.  Jane expecting the imminent arrival of the police, waited .. and waited .. and waited .. until the GNR finally arrived after 11 oclock.

According to Kate's book the alarm was raised at 10pm but if you look at the PJ files witnesses give different times for when they heard the alarm being raised - as early as 9.20pm - the Chef, 21.30 - 21.40 - the Property Manager. At 21.45 a waiter reports seeing no-one at the table as they had all left in a panic. Many other witnesses report the alarm being raised at between 9.30pm and 9.40pm.
Who are all these so called witnesses reporting the alarm being raised before 10pm?   Are you sure ... cos I have read the files and didn't find them.  Please will you list them or remove your assertion

So what is going on here? Are all those witnesses wrong about the time that the alarm was raised? Or has Kate chosen to adjust the timings, to allow a bit of extra time before the police were called and to allow for the extra '10pm 'check'.

In any event, even if you ignore this glaring discrepancy (which is glaring - just look at the PJ files, there are loads of witnesses reporting what they saw and heard that evening) it is recorded that the first call logged at GMR Lagos is 22.50pm.
If we are to believe the witnesses who said they heard a commotion and news of a missing child at times between 9.20pm and 9.40pm, that places an even longer gap between the alarm being raised and a call to the police station being logged.  A gap of well over an hour.
Please will you list these supposed witnesses to the alarm being raised and the commotion before 10pm .  Or kindly remove your assertion of a gap of over an hour, before it becomes yet another forum myth.

Instead, on page 73 of Kate's book we learn that: 'Just after 10.10pm, Gerry asked Matt to run to the Ocean Club's 24-hour reception to get staff to call the police.' She then states on the next page that: 'AT 10.35 the police had still not arrived.'

That's because the McCanns or their friends didn't call them. Why didn't Fiona immediately alert the police herself? What about Mrs Fenn? she offered to lend Gerry her phone to call police but he said it had already been done. What nonchalance!!He hadn't even bothered to call police himself and he couldn't even be bothered to call on a neighbour's phone.
i)   J.rob are you Portuguese? 
ii)   if you are British, do you speak Portuguese?
iii)  Before this case did you know the number to phone the police in Portugal?  Cos I am very well travelled including many trips to PT and I didn't know
iv)  Have you ever stayed in a moderately smart place in a foreign Country that has reception staff on who are bi-lingual?   I have ... and the first port of call in such circumstances is the Reception ... for an English /PT bi-lingual speaker.





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Offline Benice

Re: A child abducted yet nobody thought to phone the police immediately?
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2014, 01:12:25 AM »
Yes indeed....and it seems that Gerry McCann, despite apparently ardently believing that his daughter had been abducted by an unknown paedophile ....simply cannot bring himself to call the police.

We know he has a mobile phone because he used it quite a bit before, during and after his daughter's alleged abduction. But it seems that, however keen he was to use his phone, he did not want to use it in connection with the (paedophile) abduction of his daughter.

Poor old  Matt seems to be the stooge here.  It is almost as though mobile phones have not been invented, when it comes to Madeleine.

In Kate's book, Madeleine:  'Just after 10.10pm, Gerry asked Matt to run to the Ocean Club's 24-hour reception to get staff to call the police.'

Errr.....Gerry was mighty busy on his phone in the days surrounding the disappearance of his daughter so it seems more than extraordinary that he would not use the device that was, according to his wife attached to his ear AFTER her disappearance, AT THE TIME of her disappearance. Would that not be a vital time to use your mobile? I think it would be.

But no - it appears that Gerry doesn't think it appropriate to use his mobile to call the police when he apparently believes that his daughter has been abducted by a paedophile, instead he prefers to involve a friend in his sordid drama and get him to 'run to the reception'....

What was Gerry thinking - he might almost have used a carrier pigeon....why did he have to involve Matt, when he could perfectly well have used his mobile phone - or, in fact, how about running to reception himself, rather than getting everyone else to do his donkey work?

And Matt gets used once again, at 10.35pm (according to Kate's book) when the police have still not arrived (nor surprising really since the McCanns have not called them) .....Gerry STILL has a problem with his mobile. Once again, he adopts the carrier pigeon approach - stooge Matt is sent running up to reception to 'find out what is happening'. See - Gerry still has to get other people to carry out the donkey work so he can distance himself from what is really happening.

After this, Kate and Gerry seem to be screaming at everyone that 'nothing is happening' or 'where are the police' or shouting at people that are potentially helpful, but simply do not believe the McCircus.

Hmmm....

What you seem to be saying is because no-one behaved how YOU would have behaved there is something sinister about it. 

You can have no idea how you would react in the same panic-stricken circumstances  - you only think you do.  IMO

And once again - a typical example of hindsight being a wonderful thing.   We can all be wise after the event.




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AnneGuedes

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Re: A child abducted yet nobody thought to phone the police immediately?
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2014, 01:21:01 AM »
Nine persons, nine cell phones, send one of them walking 300x2m to not obtain that the police is called !
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Offline sadie

Re: A child abducted yet nobody thought to phone the police immediately?
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2014, 01:27:01 AM »
Yes indeed....and it seems that Gerry McCann, despite apparently ardently believing that his daughter had been abducted by an unknown paedophile ....simply cannot bring himself to call the police.

We know he has a mobile phone because he used it quite a bit before, during and after his daughter's alleged abduction. But it seems that, however keen he was to use his phone, he did not want to use it in connection with the (paedophile) abduction of his daughter.

Poor old  Matt seems to be the stooge here.  It is almost as though mobile phones have not been invented, when it comes to Madeleine.

In Kate's book, Madeleine:  'Just after 10.10pm, Gerry asked Matt to run to the Ocean Club's 24-hour reception to get staff to call the police.'

Errr.....Gerry was mighty busy on his phone in the days surrounding the disappearance of his daughter so it seems more than extraordinary that he would not use the device that was, according to his wife attached to his ear AFTER her disappearance, AT THE TIME of her disappearance. Would that not be a vital time to use your mobile? I think it would be.

But no - it appears that Gerry doesn't think it appropriate to use his mobile to call the police when he apparently believes that his daughter has been abducted by a paedophile, instead he prefers to involve a friend in his sordid drama and get him to 'run to the reception'....

What was Gerry thinking - he might almost have used a carrier pigeon....why did he have to involve Matt, when he could perfectly well have used his mobile phone - or, in fact, how about running to reception himself, rather than getting everyone else to do his donkey work?

And Matt gets used once again, at 10.35pm (according to Kate's book) when the police have still not arrived (nor surprising really since the McCanns have not called them) .....Gerry STILL has a problem with his mobile. Once again, he adopts the carrier pigeon approach - stooge Matt is sent running up to reception to 'find out what is happening'. See - Gerry still has to get other people to carry out the donkey work so he can distance himself from what is really happening.

After this, Kate and Gerry seem to be screaming at everyone that 'nothing is happening' or 'where are the police' or shouting at people that are potentially helpful, but simply do not believe the McCircus.

Hmmm....

i)   J.rob are you Portuguese? 
ii)   if you are British, do you speak Portuguese?  Would you expect the PT police to be able to understand and converse in English?
iii)  Before this case did you know the number to phone the police in Portugal?  Cos I am very well travelled including many trips to PT and I didn't know
iv)  Have you ever stayed in a moderately smart place in a foreign Country that has reception staff on who are bi-lingual?   I have ... and the first port of call in such circumstances is the Reception ... for an English /PT bi-lingual speaker.

Now, consider, is Gerry a Portuguese speaker?  Did he do the right thing sending Matt to Reception?  Yes, of course he did.  Less than 280 metres away and matt like the others was fit.  He ran.

Think about it j.rob



And I bet any parents would be getting hysterical at the non appearance of Police after such a huge wait ... on such a vital thing as their young child abducted.

Are you a parent j.rob?  Where is your empathy and understanding.?


Offline colombosstogey

Re: A child abducted yet nobody thought to phone the police immediately?
« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2014, 06:54:21 AM »
i)   J.rob are you Portuguese? 
ii)   if you are British, do you speak Portuguese?  Would you expect the PT police to be able to understand and converse in English?
iii)  Before this case did you know the number to phone the police in Portugal?  Cos I am very well travelled including many trips to PT and I didn't know
iv)  Have you ever stayed in a moderately smart place in a foreign Country that has reception staff on who are bi-lingual?   I have ... and the first port of call in such circumstances is the Reception ... for an English /PT bi-lingual speaker.

Now, consider, is Gerry a Portuguese speaker?  Did he do the right thing sending Matt to Reception?  Yes, of course he did.  Less than 280 metres away and matt like the others was fit.  He ran.

Think about it j.rob



And I bet any parents would be getting hysterical at the non appearance of Police after such a huge wait ... on such a vital thing as their young child abducted.

Are you a parent j.rob?  Where is your empathy and understanding.?

Oh come on really. The father can take a heart out of someones chest and repair it, yet he doesnt know that in any European country you just dial 112 for emergency services. Its not like they havent been on holiday before.

Didnt the late Mrs Fenn offer to ring the police?

ITS our responsibility, to make sure we know how to deal with emergencys whilst on holiday, BEFORE we leave.

Offline John

Re: A child abducted yet nobody thought to phone the police immediately?
« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2014, 07:30:36 AM »
Oh come on really. The father can take a heart out of someones chest and repair it, yet he doesnt know that in any European country you just dial 112 for emergency services. Its not like they havent been on holiday before.

Didnt the late Mrs Fenn offer to ring the police?

ITS our responsibility, to make sure we know how to deal with emergencys whilst on holiday, BEFORE we leave.

I know we have looked at this question previously under the guise of another question but it is intriguing.  A 3-year-old child disappears, her bedroom window and outside shutter supposedly wide open and all her parents and group effectively do is run around like headless chickens for an hour until the GNR arrive.

Remember, this was 10 o-clock at night, not morning or afternoon.  From all accounts Kate realised Madeleine had been abducted almost immediately so why delay?

Sadie has always suggested the language barrier and ignorance of the international emergency number 112.   I don't buy it, here we had a group of 8 professionals who were widely travelled and we are expected to believe they don't know what to do in an emergency?

Even assuming for a moment that they didn't know, there were several members of staff a few yards away who knew what to do, some of whom could speak both Portuguese and English.  The police could have been informed as early as a few minutes after ten and been there almost immediately.  Even Mrs Fenn upstairs offered to phone the police but her kind offer was declined.

If it had been my child I would have phoned 112 or had a local do it for me immediately, better safe than sorry as they say!

« Last Edit: January 28, 2014, 07:45:13 AM by John »
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: A child abducted yet nobody thought to phone the police immediately?
« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2014, 08:42:56 AM »
I know we have looked at this question previously under the guise of another question but it is intriguing.  A 3-year-old child disappears, her bedroom window and outside shutter supposedly wide open and all her parents and group effectively do is run around like headless chickens for an hour until the GNR arrive.

Remember, this was 10 o-clock at night, not morning or afternoon.  From all accounts Kate realised Madeleine had been abducted almost immediately so why delay?

Sadie has always suggested the language barrier and ignorance of the international emergency number 112.   I don't buy it, here we had a group of 8 professionals who were widely travelled and we are expected to believe they don't know what to do in an emergency?

Even assuming for a moment that they didn't know, there were several members of staff a few yards away who knew what to do, some of whom could speak both Portuguese and English.  The police could have been informed as early as a few minutes after ten and been there almost immediately.  Even Mrs Fenn upstairs offered to phone the police but her kind offer was declined.

If it had been my child I would have phoned 112 or had a local do it for me immediately, better safe than sorry as they say!

"If it had been my child I would have phoned 112 or had a local do it for me immediately"


I would do the same,  unless my child hadn't actually been abducted & I needed that extra time to conceal his/her dead body.
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Offline Angelo222

Re: A child abducted yet nobody thought to phone the police immediately?
« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2014, 08:59:20 AM »
I know we have looked at this question previously under the guise of another question but it is intriguing.  A 3-year-old child disappears, her bedroom window and outside shutter supposedly wide open and all her parents and group effectively do is run around like headless chickens for an hour until the GNR arrive.

Remember, this was 10 o-clock at night, not morning or afternoon.  From all accounts Kate realised Madeleine had been abducted almost immediately so why delay?

Sadie has always suggested the language barrier and ignorance of the international emergency number 112.   I don't buy it, here we had a group of 8 professionals who were widely travelled and we are expected to believe they don't know what to do in an emergency?

Even assuming for a moment that they didn't know, there were several members of staff a few yards away who knew what to do, some of whom could speak both Portuguese and English.  The police could have been informed as early as a few minutes after ten and been there almost immediately.  Even Mrs Fenn upstairs offered to phone the police but her kind offer was declined.

If it had been my child I would have phoned 112 or had a local do it for me immediately, better safe than sorry as they say!

For some reason the tapas group did not feel they could trust the restaurant staff and that is something which has always bothered me.  I have read through all the staff statements and in virtually every case they were in a state of confusion as to what was really going on.  It was as if they were being treated as aliens or even worse, suspects?
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Offline Angelo222

Re: A child abducted yet nobody thought to phone the police immediately?
« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2014, 09:01:35 AM »
"If it had been my child I would have phoned 112 or had a local do it for me immediately"


I would do the same,  unless my child hadn't actually been abducted & I needed that extra time to conceal his/her dead body.

or time for someone else to do it??
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: A child abducted yet nobody thought to phone the police immediately?
« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2014, 09:31:54 AM »
or time for someone else to do it??

In the Mikaeel Kular case for example, his mother claimed he was in bed at 9pm which obviously wasn't true,
So who put Maddie to bed, Kate, Gerry, both or possibly neither.

KM (statement to police, 6.9.07): 'They also kissed Madeleine, who was already lying down. She was under the covers, she thinks, because it was a bit cold... She remained lying down on her left side, with the soft toy and a pink blanket, which she thinks was covering her.'


GM (from the documentary, Madeleine Was Here):"So, I actually came in and Madeleine was just at the top of the bed here, where I'd left her lying and the covers were folded down and she had her cuddle cat and blanket, were just by her head."


KM (6.9.07): 'After Gerry arrived the children went to brush their teeth and she then read them another story, this time all four of them sitting on Madeleine's bed. She thinks that Gerry entered the room, but does not recall him sitting on the bed.… she thinks that Gerry was in the room, and each one of them, the deponent and Gerry, placed a twin in its cot at the same time, between Madeleine's bed and the bed under the window. They also kissed Madeleine, who was already lying down.'

 
GM (statement to police, 10.5.07): 'At around 19H00, he made his way to the apartment, finding Kate and the children playing on the sofa. About 10 to 15 minutes later, they took the children to the bedroom and they all sat on Madeleine's bed to read a story.'
 

KM (6.9.07): 'They talked while they drank, until they left for the Tapas restaurant at around 8.30-8.35 p.m. Before leaving they checked on the children, she doesn't know who; however Gerry says it was him. She only knows the children were quiet. She doesn't know if they were in their same positions. She says she is sure that they were asleep, because Gerry told her so and all was quiet.'
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Offline Benice

Re: A child abducted yet nobody thought to phone the police immediately?
« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2014, 09:50:08 AM »
or time for someone else to do it??

Ahhh so their actions re phoning the police are yet ANOTHER part of this cunning plan which is now so massive and complicated  it would have required  more planning than Montgomery's Desert Campaign.      FGS They were in a holiday complex, their child was abducted - do they waste time running  around in the hopes of findings some Portuguese person who can speak English and who knows the Emergency number, or do they go straight to Reception where they already KNOW an English speaking person will be immediately available?  They did what any normal person in those particular circumstances would do IMO. 

If the McCanns had wanted to conceal their child's dead body - they would NOT have done it this way.   They would have waited until the dead of the night when they could take their time and did NOT have to rely on or involve anyone else - let alone 7 other people who all had to learn their lines and remember all the details of not only the  parts -  they had agreed to play, but also what everyone else had  agreed to do -  as part of this alleged massive cover up plan.   

 Too daft for words IMO when there were much easier and safer alternatives open to them.   They were NOT simpletons.














 

     
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