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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #180 on: November 19, 2016, 11:01:43 PM »
Sorry Nine, VT admitted his guilt now let him serve his sentence in peace. His family aren't banging on and pleading for a miscarriage of justice and his girlfriend of that time certainly isn't. She and her family are just thankful that she didn't meet the same fate as the victim, FACT!  No matter what anyone says on here, if they don't conform to your way of thinking then you shout them down or worse still, you go and find a link to suit your own belief. Sorry but anyone can produce a link to agree with the ridiculous to the sublime. You mention about other forums that you have commented on having been taken down, have you sat back and asked yourself why? After reading some of the stuff on this board it isn't too hard to see why. Oh and the repatriation of him to his own country, I recommend you take a look at what Jixy mentioned, PSI for prisoners. Another thing to consider, his home nation can decline any request from him to be sent back. Oh and the other thing Jixy mentioned, the Salvation army that's  another good read. At least you can read from two legitimate and credible websites. Just a little question if I may, do you and mrswah know each other? I only ask as at times when you've both been posting it is as if you were in the same room. My mistake if not.

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« Reply #181 on: November 19, 2016, 11:20:48 PM »
Sorry Nine, VT admitted his guilt now let him serve his sentence in peace. His family aren't banging on and pleading for a miscarriage of justice and his girlfriend of that time certainly isn't. She and her family are just thankful that she didn't meet the same fate as the victim, FACT!  No matter what anyone says on here, if they don't conform to your way of thinking then you shout them down or worse still, you go and find a link to suit your own belief. Sorry but anyone can produce a link to agree with the ridiculous to the sublime. You mention about other forums that you have commented on having been taken down, have you sat back and asked yourself why? After reading some of the stuff on this board it isn't too hard to see why. Oh and the repatriation of him to his own country, I recommend you take a look at what Jixy mentioned, PSI for prisoners. Another thing to consider, his home nation can decline any request from him to be sent back. Oh and the other thing Jixy mentioned, the Salvation army that's  another good read. At least you can read from two legitimate and credible websites. Just a little question if I may, do you and mrswah know each other? I only ask as at times when you've both been posting it is as if you were in the same room. My mistake if not.

Hi kayden..... There are many questions you have posed and you think that all I want to do is shout people down and provide links to support my arguements....

I thought that when you posted on forums that instead of just spouting, you actually could provide links with quotes to substanciate what you are saying...

That is all I am trying to do... I was taught in a previous job, that I needed evidence too support any claims that were made... Maybe that is why I always use links and quotes.....

I'm not shouting people down per say.. I'm very passionate about how I feel.....

And that just covers part of your post...

Please provide me with Tanja Morson.... I would love for her to make an offical statement ( on oath)as to her relationship at the time with Dr Vincent Tabak and his behaviour during the time prior to his arrest...( also whether she harboured suspisions about him)


Oh and on the question of mrswah another forum contributor... I don't know her from Adam....

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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #182 on: November 20, 2016, 02:25:05 AM »
I haven't been around tonight, and I see some of you have been very busy!!!!

Kayden, it is true that Nine and I do not know each other-----at all.   Also, I will state (although nobody has actually asked me) that I am in no way connected with anyone involved in the case!

I believe Jixy is right about people on the sex offenders register not being eligible for the Early Removal Scheme (ie back to one's home country).  I'm not posting a link, because (I am ashamed to say) I do not know how to copy and paste links----not very good at IT, I'm afraid.  However, I found it on the prison reform website.

If VT is serving out his sentence "in peace" because he knows he is guilty, then all well and good.  If, however, he is not guilty, there is NO WAY he will be serving out his sentence in peace!

We don't actually know that his family and girlfriend all believe he is guilty, even though we don't hear about them, and even though they all issued apologies/condolences to the Yeates family after the trial (which I thought was odd,  as one doesn't usually hear about the families of convicted criminals doing that).  There has been very little reported in the press since the trial (apart from the child porn conviction), so we don't know exactly what is going on.  I suspect there is a reason why the press is being so quiet, but then, I am a suspicious person!  I also strongly suspect there is a reason (other than believing in VT's guilt) why his family and friends are not protesting his innocence.

I also suspect that it is in the interests of the powers that be over here to keep VT in this country.  If he was back in Holland, he might just start talking, and so might his family.  Just my opinion, of course!  I will be very interested to see what happens when he has done his 20 years---whether they will find a reason to keep him in prison for longer, or whether they let him return to Holland.  I hope I live long enough to find out.

By the way, not all the forums have been taken down:  Websleuths and Bowland Central have good ones, and they make very interesting reading from back in 2011.

I have no faith in VT's confession, I am afraid, and I think his conviction is very dodgy, as the evidence does not stand up.  However, there is very little that I can do about it. I only hope, that one day, somebody with some real power questions this case.

BTW, a few people have suggested that I investigate "more worthwhile" cases where there may be a MOJ.  Apart from one person suggesting I look at Mark Alexander (which I am doing), nobody has suggested which ones they think are worth looking at. Well????????   


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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #183 on: November 20, 2016, 08:05:09 AM »
I can see why Kayden Paradox would think you know each other, your style of posts use of capitals ???? brackets and speech marks are almost identical. Easy mistake to make I guess

Was it people on this forum who suggested you look at other cases Mrswah? I know I suggested it to Nine. Maybe ask others which cases would be worth time looking further into. There are at least a couple of solid obvious miscarriage of justice cases even by the Judges comments alone
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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #184 on: November 20, 2016, 10:27:21 AM »
Thanks Jixy

I hadn't noticed that my style of writing/use of punctuation was like "Nine"'s!!  There is, however, one important difference:  Nine knows how to copy and paste, and I dont---at least, not on a Chromebook!!

I have become interested in the cases of Colin Norris and--indeed--Mark Anderson.  Would be interested to know who you (or any other poster) consider to be wrongly convicted.

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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #185 on: November 20, 2016, 10:28:17 AM »
AAAGH!!!   Sorry, I meant Mark Alexander!

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« Reply #186 on: November 20, 2016, 08:06:55 PM »


Was it people on this forum who suggested you look at other cases Mrswah? I know I suggested it to Nine. Maybe ask others which cases would be worth time looking further into. There are at least a couple of solid obvious miscarriage of justice cases even by the Judges comments alone

 What other Cases do you suggest Jixy? I'd seen  a documentary on TV about the thread you've started Sadie Hartley...

I unfortunatley always come back to this one...

There are so many things that don't make any sense..... Apart from Dr Vincent Tabak not having a Motive!!!
The crime scene is extremeley weird...

Who has a door with a letter box but no hole to put the letters through???

There more I look the more I see.... It's completely barking mad!!!

Any ideas?????? I've downloaded a pdf  on PSI you were talking about, just need a minute to look at it closely.


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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #187 on: November 20, 2016, 08:12:25 PM »
The Sadie Hartley documentary was horrific, not a case to concentrate on

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« Reply #188 on: November 20, 2016, 09:55:35 PM »
I was looking at an old case which always bring me back to the JY case..

I remember early on in the investigation, that they were looking to see if their was a link between Joanna yeates and Glenis Caruthers..

http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/the-unsolved-murder-in-the-dark/story-29916468-detail/story.html


Jixy what cases are you most convinced that an innocent person is in prison???? I'm guessing your a he Jixy??
And what would you do to try and prove their innocence????

Infact this case on Glenis Caruthers should interest you jixy... there's glasses in it.... Didn't they find part of some glasses???


But the glenis Caruther case... never solved... Did they have any DNA from that case?
I think the connection is a possibility, It's very curious indeed....

It would make more sense than to have Dr Vincent Tabak as their man???

 Why doesn't the Pictures make sense...  ( It looks like an artist drawing. . )The connection to Clifton surely couldn't have been ignored by the Police??? she too had no socks on... And what happened too her bag and coat????

Didn't i read somewhere she was going to ring someone at a phone box ?? (think it might have been her boyfriend)


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bristol/8463395.stm

They mention body fluids... That was never mentioned in the Joanna Yeates case... If she was killed in her flat as they say... where are the body fluids??

And on the first link I've made available,, she does have a Look of Joanna Yeates....

Did they ever chase the lead up on Glenis Caruthers with regards the Joanna Yeates case?????
 

Dr Vincent Tabak wouldn't have been old enough then...  ( infact he wasn't even born...)

Again a couple on the park... In the Glenis Caruthers case...

A couple at a party in the Joanna Yeates case...

Didn't Glenis Caruthers go missing from a Party??


And what about the workman's van that was seen in the middle of the road... The night Joanna Yeates went missing??? there was work going on at the house next door to Joanna yeates....

where there any work going on near where Glenis Caruthers was staying???

What other similarities do you think these cases have??




That picture they show of tabak after his arrest looks doctored his eye brows are all wrong... They are trying to make him look like an evil monster!!!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2055938/Vincent-Tabak-kept-sick-trophy-murder-Jo-Yeates-4ft-wall-helped-captured-killer.html

Another question why didn't Dr Vincent Tabak have any psychatrists  at the trial????? He was after all on suicide watch... Did he ever undergo a psychiatric evaluation??

If so wouldn't that have given him mitigating circumstances??? they could have determinded if he had any underlying psycholgical issues...

That surely would have Added to the manslaughter charge and cast Doubt on the murder conviction???


Did they ever chase the lead up on Glenis Caruthers?????  It all seemed to go Very quiet once they had Dr Vincent tabak in the frame...........





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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #189 on: November 20, 2016, 11:36:59 PM »
The police did question Chris Jefferies re Glenis Carruthers, I believe, as he was living in the area at the time, and would have been old enough to have been involved.

The murder of GC is a "cold case" from 1974.  This is why I have said that CJ was in a dangerous position when they arrested him: they could have stitched him up for both.

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« Reply #190 on: November 21, 2016, 12:24:52 AM »
If I can take you back to the posts concerning Vincent Tabak's confession to the cleric for a moment.  It has been suggested that the cleric somehow broke a confidence by reporting the confession.  If he did so what?

The breaking of a confidence between a prisoner and a cleric is not something which can overturn a conviction on a technicality.  Tabak saw the need to confess to what he had done, no doubt he has a conscience and needed to confess to somebody.

On another point, Tabak has freely admitted to manslaughter although unfortunately for him the CPS was having none of it and brought a murder charge against him.  If Tabak accidentally strangled Miss Yeates he should have accepted his fate instead of attempting to hide her body and evade justice.
« Last Edit: November 21, 2016, 07:38:14 PM by John »
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« Reply #191 on: November 21, 2016, 10:58:04 AM »
If I can take you back to the posts concerning Vincent Tabak's confession to the cleric for a moment.  It has been suggested that the cleric somehow broke a confidence by reporting the confession.  If he did so what?

The breaking of a confidence between a prisoner and a cleric is not something which can overturn a conviction on a technicality.  Tabak saw the need to confess to what he had done, no doubt he has a conscience and needed to confess to somebody.

On another point, Tabak has freely admitted to manslaughter although unfortunately for him the CPS was having none of it and brought a murder charge against him.  If Tabak accidentally strangled Miss Yeates he should have accepted his fate instead of attempting to hide her body and evade justice.


How do we know that Dr Vincent Tabak freely admitted to manslaughter????

Did he not tell the Chaplain he'd done something??
Maybe he was going to admit to the porn... Because of Tanja...
Without knowing what was actually said in confidence to the Chaplain.. we don't know...

His representation changed, was he preared fully for what was about to face him....  Why was he not evaluated??

If he was in a depressive state, why would a clergy man want to push him over the edge??

Surely prisoners confess all the time to the Prison Chaplain...... Thought as Ive said before that they were neutrel..
And only report if there is risk to other prisoners or themselves...
Would have thought it was more of a Risk to Dr Vincent Tabak who was in a depressive state to even report it......

Confidants are need in prisons, it strike a bit of a balance for the harsh realities of the prisoner confinement..
A Chaplain with a tendancy to divulge information is hardly a confidant.... Pastrol care is a vital source in a prison enviroment..

It helps the prison itself if the prisoners have an outlet this in turn protects prison staff,, a relatively happy medium..

There could not be a Chaplaincy program within a prison, if prisoners themselves felt that they could not look to them for guidence and support and someone who they might divulge their inner most secrets...And who in turn would keep that information to themselves..


It would also make the Chaplaincy more vulnerable to violent attacks from unstable prisoners...

Why would you want to risk, putting yourself in that position???

Prisoners talk and therefore it put Chaplains at risk, And if theres no confidence in the Chaplaincy program... It wouldn't run.



After his supposed confession, why wasn't he given a medical assessment? what fair treatment did Dr Vincent Tabak recieve????



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« Reply #192 on: November 21, 2016, 11:07:23 AM »
Why on an earlier picture of the Flat Joanna Yeates lived in the is an intercom/ door bell there yet removed later??

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1344610/Joanna-Yeates-snatched-killer-went-check-post.html

Door on 6th January intake with letter box....

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02024/front-door_2024941i.jpg The intercom / doorbell is missing????

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/10/21/article-2051786-0E58C21700000578-967_634x405.jpg
https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/1390286.main_image.jpg?strip=all


Why does the picture on the 6th january show the intercom but not later... You would have thought if that was evidence it would have been removed sooner to protect it from the element......



The collect their post.... I have questions regarding this:


Joanna yeates flat has a peep hole, Greg says she always double locks the door... If she was uncomfortable with being on her own, why would she open the door to a man she had not seen/meet or didn't know...

I do not believe it is possible to kill someone in 20 seconds... yet have a slow lingering death..

How is that possible...???

It is possible how every for Joanna Yeates to go to the communal hall to collect mail etc....

Who else had access to the communal hall....??
That would take her out of her flat..... Because evidence of a violent struggle in the flat seems to be lacking....

The fact she was strangled by one hand i envisage that it's someone who is angry with her... Grabbing her by the throat in a violent threating manner....

Could have pinned her up by the throat.....

The prosecution do not know what happened to Joanna Yeates or where it happened to Joanna Yeates..
They just summised what took place....

Just like I have summised a possible senario....

What made her mum think she was abducted...?????


Another curious case I found was of a clifton teacher (not CJ) who appeared in court in Tauton...

Theres always Pizza beer and some sort of games involved... (shard of console at Joanna yeates flat) And child porn!!

Whats with the Pizza????

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Jonathan Thomson-Glover was a teacher for 31 years at Clifton College
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New report reveals three headteachers ignored parents' complaints
Parents complained as early as 1998 about 'unsuitable rewards' including beer, pizza and computer games nights held at German teacher's home


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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #193 on: November 21, 2016, 07:48:42 PM »

How do we know that Dr Vincent Tabak freely admitted to manslaughter????


Tabak, a 33-year-old engineer, denies murdering 25-year-old Yeates but admits manslaughter. The prosecution alleges Tabak murdered Yeates at her flat in Bristol before dumping the body on a roadside verge three miles away.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/oct/18/joanna-yeates-vincent-tabak-admission
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« Reply #194 on: November 21, 2016, 07:51:16 PM »
Vincent Tabak 'told chaplain he would admit killing Joanna Yeates'

Vincent Tabak told prison chaplain Peter Brotherton: 'I've something to tell you that's going to shock you', court told.

A prison chaplain has described the moment Vincent Tabak told him he would admit to killing the landscape architect Joanna Yeates.

Tabak was in the health unit at Long Lartin prison in Worcestershire because of fears that he could kill himself while being held over Yeates's death, Bristol crown court heard on Tuesday.

Tabak asked to speak to chaplain Peter Brotherton and told him he was feeling "so-so", the court heard. He went on: "I've got something to tell you that's going to shock you." Brotherton told the jury that he replied: "You tell me and we'll see."

Brotherton said the prisoner told him: "I'm going to change my plea to guilty." Brotherton asked him if it was "concerning the young lady from Bristol". Tabak replied that it was, the jury was told.

The court was told that the chaplain asked him if he was sorry for what he had done, and Tabak replied that he was. He went on to say he would find it "very difficult" to tell his girlfriend, the jury heard.

According to the chaplain, Brotherton offered to say a prayer with him but Tabak declined. He gave Tabak a handwritten prayer, shook hands with him and left.

The chaplain said he told his superior what Tabak had said and it was reported to a security officer. Later when they met again Tabak appeared "angry" at Brotherton and told him he would not tell him anything else, the court was told.

Cross-examining Brotherton, William Clegg QC, for Tabak, suggested the chaplain was wrong in claiming the defendant had said he was going to "change his plea".

Clegg suggested his client had simply said: "I'm going to plead guilty." He had already told his lawyers that he had killed Yeates, Clegg said, adding that Tabak was "a depressed and distressed man unburdening himself".

The conversation between Tabak and the chaplain took place on 8 February, three weeks after he was arrested, the jury heard.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/oct/18/joanna-yeates-vincent-tabak-admission
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A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
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