Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates

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Tabak, a 33-year-old engineer, denies murdering 25-year-old Yeates but admits manslaughter. The prosecution alleges Tabak murdered Yeates at her flat in Bristol before dumping the body on a roadside verge three miles away.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/oct/18/joanna-yeates-vincent-tabak-admission

Often, the original conviction stemmed from an admission of guilt. Now, new research looks into why innocent people confess.

Within the confession and subsiquent statement, there where no details regarding how this crime took place..

“Being in a police interrogation is a very powerful situation,” Guyll said. “If you wear a person down you can probably get false confessions.”

http://www.apa.org/monitor/2015/07-08/upfront-crimes.aspx

In 1966, false confessions seemed like a rare problem. Fifty years later, we have seen hundreds of exonerations of innocent defendants who confessed to terrible crimes after they received Miranda warnings.

The National Registry of Exonerations has collected data on 1,810 exonerations in the United States since 1989 (as of June 7, 2016). They include 227 cases of innocent men and women who confessed, 13 percent of the total, all after receiving Miranda warnings (at least according to the police). Nearly three-quarters of those false confessions were homicide cases.

http://europe.newsweek.com/why-people-confess-crimes-didnt-commit-470227?rm=eu

http://psychcentral.com/news/2013/09/12/why-people-confess-even-if-they-didnt-do-it/59450.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/exonerations-2015_us_56ac0374e4b00b033aaf3da9


People DO confess to a crime they didn't commit and once you confess, there is no way out...

So a confession is a none starter...
The DNA was partial...
And the dodgy Searches that aren't evidence as they can't prove intent..

Where was the hard evidence to prove DR. Vincent Tabak committed the crime???

[jixy]

As he pleaded guilty there would be no need for evidence to prove his guilt. his own admission did that

[mrswah]

Yes, and more's the pity.

If he hadn't pleaded guilty, we would have had a better trial, with ALL the evidence and more witnesses!!

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As he pleaded guilty there would be no need for evidence to prove his guilt. his own admission did that

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1984/60/section/76

(b)in consequence of anything said or done which was likely, in the circumstances existing at the time, to render unreliable any confession which might be made by him in consequence thereof,

Without medical evaluation and representation of such at court before he made his plea....

[mrswah]

Something I don't understand:

VT first spoke to the chaplain on 8th February.

The public didn't hear anything about VT's "confession" until 5th May or thereabouts.

VT didn't sign his "enhanced statement" until 22nd September, shortly before the trial.

[mrswah]

Paul Cook, VT's lawyer, did not apply for bail when he had been expected to. That is one mystery-------!!  Shortly afterwards, he stopped acting for VT.

I wonder why.

[mrswah]

The Mirror might have just made a mistake.  I have read quite a few newspaper articles where they have got their facts wrong!

However, as I have said before, nobody knows exactly WHEN, WHERE, or WHY Joanna was murdered, so I don't really know how they could prove VT's guilt beyond reasonable doubt.

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Surely they will be a court record stating  that?

[mrswah]

The charge was that he murdered her between 16th and 19th December.

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The charge was that he murdered her between 16th and 19th December.

Why from the 16th Dec??

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The Mirror might have just made a mistake.  I have read quite a few newspaper articles where they have got their facts wrong!

However, as I have said before, nobody knows exactly WHEN, WHERE, or WHY Joanna was murdered, so I don't really know how they could prove VT's guilt beyond reasonable doubt.

No i think it might have been me...

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Something I don't understand:

VT first spoke to the chaplain on 8th February.

The public didn't hear anything about VT's "confession" until 5th May or thereabouts.

VT didn't sign his "enhanced statement" until 22nd September, shortly before the trial.

Tried searching for press or any announcements for that:

date range Jan to end of may https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=vincent+tabak+confesses+to+chaplain&espv=2&biw=1920&bih=859&source=lnt&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A24%2F01%2F2011%2Ccd_max%3A31%2F05%2F2011&tbm=

custom range Jan to August: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=vincent+tabak+confesses+to+chaplain&espv=2&biw=1920&bih=859&source=lnt&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A24%2F01%2F2011%2Ccd_max%3A31%2F08%2F2011&tbm=

 jan to Sept custom range: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=vincent+tabak+confesses+to+chaplain&espv=2&biw=1920&bih=859&source=lnt&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A24%2F01%2F2011%2Ccd_max%3A30%2F09%2F2011&tbm=

Its not until you go to Oct in the custom range that i have found anything: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=vincent+tabak+confesses+to+chaplain&espv=2&biw=1920&bih=859&source=lnt&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A24%2F01%2F2011%2Ccd_max%3A31%2F10%2F2011&tbm=

[John]

As he pleaded guilty there would be no need for evidence to prove his guilt. his own admission did that

Indeed and he did admit to manslaughter.  If that was not the case he could have changed his plea at any time.

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Indeed and he did admit to manslaughter.  If that was not the case he could have changed his plea at any time.

Hi john

I don't understand why they didn't give him bail???  What evidence had they held him on?

CJ was released...... and he was still on bail until March, I think it was..

So you have 2 men on bail for the same murder and one of them is on remand..
They could have taken his passport off him if they thought he was a flight risk.

I do not understand why they had Dr Vincent Tabak on Remand??

Why did he not appear in court on think it was Tuesday 1st Feb2010 for his Bail hearing???
His lawyer leaves him...
There are plenty of odd things happening,

I do not know why he changed his plea to guilty...... But he was at loss of liberty for a long time, do not know what kind of pressure he was under or his mental state...

Interogation and have adverse effects on people...

Nobody knows why he pleaded the way he did.... 

But I believe the man should have been given bail...And  been given a chance to get his defence together in a proper manner....

Why was CJ released.... Dr Vincent Tabak was not??

Dr Vincent Tabak had no previous.... they still need to gather evidence....

I wish I had seen the evidence they had at his first hearing that they used to charge him with...

As we know the crying girl story appears to be just that... A story.....

The DNA could only rule him in... but they need more to prove it came from Dr Vincent Tabak as it was partial...

The time available for him to do the crime , is not there (IMO)....

And they were originally looking for someone for the murder for the Saturday, because of the CCTV of a car going over a bridge...

The defence didn't get the tim line folder until day of trail... If they had gotten that soner, his lawyer would havee been able to see he didn't have the time..

How can you cross reference all those timelines and check that the evidence in a 1300 page document is correct..

His Lawyer may have believed he was innocent, but he too needed the time and effort to prove he was....

If the evidence against Dr Vincent Tabak was  accurate, WHY with hold the 1300 page time line..

Half of the trial the actual times do not get mentioned.... Why?
Maybe he couldn't as the timeline folder wasn't available and his defence didn't have the proper information before them to prove other wise..

And I still stand by if they say it was him, he had NO reason to move the body from one place to 3 others.... very
 risky!!

We don't know why he hasn't asked for repatriation, which I find extremely weird... What is stopping him doing at least that,..

John, do you not find it strange the range of date that he was charged between?

16th to the 26th Dec??

The charge, when it came, was all the more jarring, therefore – that between Dec 16 and Dec 26 he had murdered Joanna Yeates.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8280005/Joanna-Yeates-murder-suspect-Vincent-Tabak-enjoyed-normal-family-Christmas.html


She was alive on the 16th and not on the 26th...

Also John is there anything in this case that strikes a chord regards Dr Vincent Tabak..,

Imo.. the scene was staged...

The important clues they had:  The Pizza    ( given as a treat or reward)
                                             The ski sock, ( there is a jump in skiing called the Pizza) oddly enough..
                                             The Shard of console..... which was never explained

Plus the piece of evidence that was handed in that was significant.....

I've discovered Pizza is used in grooming young people....

Also that child porn images can be pseudo...  Which I'll come back to...

There was no evidence that Dr Vincent Tabak groomed young people...

Maybe the Pizza WAS more of a clue than they first thought!!

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In My Opinion...

The police need to charged someone for the crime as there was mounting pressure from the public at the time to charge someone over this horrendous crime..

CJ ... had good lawyers and friends...

Dr Vincent Tabak had nothing.....

With the evidence they had at the time, they acted on it.... rightly or wrongly, they charged Dr Vincent Tabak..
(IMO) they rushed to have someone in custody as they had let CJ go...

The British public were already baying for blood... there would have been uproar, if another suspect was released...