Amaral and the dogs

[Alice Purjorick]

Precisely. If the vehicle doors are as porous as you believe ... why on earth was the VRD not alerting to them all ... and why did Keela not react to the same stimulus as Eddie when in locus?

I think that makes it about the third time I have posted that ... your responses don't come close to answering ... then when do they ever?

That was your interpretation of what I said not what I actually said.
The issue was "is a car airtight and how can airborne scent leak out". What doggies do has no bearing on that.
As for the rest it is your customary condescension.

[Alice Purjorick]

Furthermore, can anyone venture a reason why Grime would make it more difficult for his dog to sniff out cadaver scent by having the doors of all the cars closed?

No.

[misty]

Precisely.  If the vehicle doors are as porous as you believe ... why on earth was the VRD not alerting to them all ... and why did Keela not react to the same stimulus as Eddie when in locus?

I think that makes it about the third time I have posted that ... your responses don't come close to answering ... then when do they ever?

There is always the possibility that there were no blood deposits in the luggage compartment at the time Eddie indicated. Keela was not deployed until several hours later - and after the vehicle had been forensically examined by the PJ in a non-sterile environment.

[Brietta]

There is always the possibility that there were no blood deposits in the luggage compartment at the time Eddie indicated. Keela was not deployed until several hours later - and after the vehicle had been forensically examined by the PJ in a non-sterile environment.

Wonder if that was before or after they dusted for the bootprint left on the bumper.

[pegasus]

The floor panel is in the boot in the photo showing a box and 2 bags in the boot.
But later when Keela is checking the car, the floor panel has been removed, it is not in the video 
Did Keela examine the luggage area floor panel?

[sadie]

Sadie, have much Physics and Chemistry have you studied ?

I am a qualified design engineer Stephen.


You dont need Chemistry for air and water flow.  Surely you knew that?

[pegasus]

I don't think they are, pegasus.  The door seal does just that ... it seals the water out nor is it a ventilation source. 

As far as the ventilation intake and outlets are concerned ... the ones in my vehicle operate to best advantage when I control them from the dashboard.  So although the vehicle is not designed to be hermetically sealed ... it is not designed to allow either water or air ingress through the doors although it is designed to allow the air to be conditioned and circulated without the requirement to open the windows.

What happens when a car accidentally drives into deep water?
It fills with water and sinks in about two minutes.
I posted a video by an expert proving this, he is in a car in a lake. You can see the car fill with water.
How does the water get in?

[sadie]

As I said in an earlier post:

http://www.corrosion-doctors.org/Car/doors.htm

Corrosion of Car Doors
Cars are equipped with drain holes designed to release channeled water runoff. Water seeps into the gap at the base of windows between glass and door panels when the car is washed and during rainstorms. As long as drain holes are kept clear and open, standing water will not accumulate. However, if drains become clogged up with dirt or other debris, water will be trapped at the base of doors to start the rusting process. (reference) -snip-


So long as the drainage holes are outside the seal, ingressed water from rainfall etc. will drain out via the holes at the bottom of the door, without air or scent getting out from the interior. 

The massive company where I worked made car doors by the thousands, but I never worked in that department.  I walked thru many times and watched the panels being pressed.  IIRC they were assembled elsewhere.


But I did work on the design of tractor cabs and we used door and window seals there. [rather primitive ones]
It was all a long time ago and I cant claim to be an expert now.   However basic engineering principles always tend to stay in the mind.


Seals will have improved imeasurably since then.

[misty]

The floor panel is in the boot in the photo showing a box and 2 bags in the boot.
But later when Keela is checking the car, the floor panel has been removed, it is not in the video 
Did Keela examine the luggage area floor panel?

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Photo 26: Shot of the mat from the luggage compartment where vestige number 11 was taken from.

After the examination of the vehicle was complete the human blood specialist sniffer dog was introduced along with Martin Grime of the British police who coordinated the dog?s movements. After a few moments Mr Grime informed the team that they should collect the key and other materials from zone M or from the interior of the luggage compartment given the fact that the dog in reference had identified these materials as places where eventual blood vestiges existed. The undersigned gathered these materials placing them in paper envelopes with the following references:

10. Parts of the vehicle luggage area.
12. Vehicle ignition key.


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Photos 29- 30: Detail of materials referred to as vestige 10 taken from the area marked by the sniffer dog and sent for analysis.


Photo 31: Detail of the key referred to as vestige no. 12.


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IMO Keela did not examine the luggage area floor panel.

[sadie]

What happens when a car accidentally drives into deep water?
It fills with water and sinks in about two minutes.
I posted a video by an expert proving this, he is in a car in a lake. You can see the car fill with water.
How does the water get in?

Plenty of space around the engine compartment, Pegasus, for water to come in

As stated before, the main body of the car has air come in via the front and go out via a rear exhaust system

[misty]

Deleted.

[pegasus]

As I said in an earlier post:

http://www.corrosion-doctors.org/Car/doors.htm

Corrosion of Car Doors
Cars are equipped with drain holes designed to release channeled water runoff. Water seeps into the gap at the base of windows between glass and door panels when the car is washed and during rainstorms. As long as drain holes are kept clear and open, standing water will not accumulate. However, if drains become clogged up with dirt or other debris, water will be trapped at the base of doors to start the rusting process. (reference) -snip-


So long as the drainage holes are outside the seal, ingressed water from rainfall etc. will drain out via the holes at the bottom of the door, without air or scent getting out from the interior. 

The massive company where I worked made car doors by the thousands, but I never worked in that department.  I walked thru many times and watched the panels being pressed.  IIRC they were assembled elsewhere.


But I did work on the design of tractor cabs and we used door and window seals there. [rather primitive ones]
It was all a long time ago and I cant claim to be an expert now.   However basic engineering principles always tend to stay in the mind.


Seals will have improved imeasurably since then.

Thankyou Sadie. But look at where the window slides into the door. Water can enter the outer window seal, air can enter the inner window seal, they are not perfect. Pull the inner window seal back, pour coffee in, and the coffee will come out the drain hole on the bottom of the door to the outside. Even if Eddie was asleep he would wake up and smell it :)

[pegasus]

Thankyou Misty. I had not noticed photo 26 before. This floor panel would be next to or touching where Keela alerted in the boot. But in the Keela video the floor panel is not there. Photos 29 and 30 of the two plastic trim parts are IIRC parts which PJ kept and substituted new replacement parts back in the car?

[Brietta]

Thankyou Misty. I had not noticed photo 26 before. This floor panel would be next to or touching where Keela alerted in the boot. But in the Keela video the floor panel is not there. Photos 29 and 30 of the two plastic trim parts are IIRC parts which PJ kept and substituted new replacement parts back in the car?

The Levy videos have never struck me as being kosher. I don't understand why there is no date\time stamp on videos shot for evidential purposes.

I am also at a loss as to why Anna Esse has translated one of the reports from French.

Eddie and Keela carried out the inspection of Apartment 5A on 31st July 2007.

Why was Keela brought back to 5A on 3rd August 2007?

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EDDIE-KEELA.htm

[stephen25000]

Now, as to dog deployment.

' If anyone has been following this case -

"jurors found Barry Davis Jr., 34, guilty Monday in a "no body" murder trial after a little more than two hours of deliberation."

http://www.newsherald.com/news/crime-public-safety/barry-davis-found-guilty-in-double-murder-of-area-couple-1.479781

This was the Florida case in which two cadaver dogs alerted to a car "even though the seats and carpeting in the truck had been removed and the vehicle interior scrubbed clean."

http://www.newsherald.com/news/crime-public-safety/murder-prosecution-cadaver-dogs-find-evidence-of-human-remains-1.476920 '