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Offline Benice

Re: Sunday Times sued by McCanns
« Reply #15 on: September 20, 2014, 08:39:34 AM »
So why didn't the mccanns publish the photo themselves  ?

Why do you keep asking the same question?   No-one knows why -  as the public (unsurprisingly)  have not been informed of the details.   However, SY will know - and that is all that matters. 
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Online Wonderfulspam

Re: Sunday Times sued by McCanns
« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2014, 08:50:06 AM »
So why didn't the mccanns publish the photo themselves  ?

Because it's obvious who Smithman was, Stephen, that's why.


Oh look, no Smithman here....

http://www.findmadeleine.com/campaigns/unidentified_people.html

Fancy that.
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Offline xtina

Re: Sunday Times sued by McCanns
« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2014, 08:56:28 AM »
They said that the story led to them having “suffered serious damage to their reputations and severe embarrassment and distress”.

IMO..... always ...reputation comes first....its the only thing that disstresses or devastates them...never mind though mccs there there ...money always makes your suffering better........ .
Always listen to both sides of the story before you judge.

The first storyteller you will always find has modified the story, for there benefit BE WISE.

Online Wonderfulspam

Re: Sunday Times sued by McCanns
« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2014, 09:01:38 AM »

The Crimewatch Reconstruction showed the correct detail of the Smith's sighting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=OZ8jmdWlB8Y#t=1431


Oh look, the McCann's reconstruction didn't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=na4aBr5PTYY#t=348

Fancy that.
I stand with Putin. Glory to Mother Putin.

Offline xtina

Re: Sunday Times sued by McCanns
« Reply #19 on: September 20, 2014, 09:18:30 AM »
IMO this could possibly be ...more smoke and mirrors.....   reading it again it's all mccSpin...

The article outlines the complaints the mccs filed against The Times. It refers to News Gazette seeing the High Court forms.... but not to hearing High Court action.
It refers to the mccs claiming "unspecified damages"... and reports: "according to publisher News UK the claim has been settled"..... inferring that the mccs won......... however,.....the article is careful to not actually state this.......

It then goes on to sabre rattling, listing the threatening gestures of the plaintiffs- their demands for revision, their dispute of the facts, their invoking of the mighty Carter Ruck-
again, implied that all this took place in a court of law, but interestingly does not state it.....

The inference is that the Macs emerged vindicated......
 
We've all read the mealy mouthed "apology" printed by The Times at the time. It basically said, right, there's one thing we can't prove, but we stand by the rest of it.
Always listen to both sides of the story before you judge.

The first storyteller you will always find has modified the story, for there benefit BE WISE.

Offline Benice

Re: Sunday Times sued by McCanns
« Reply #20 on: September 20, 2014, 09:26:22 AM »
IMO this could possibly be ...more smoke and mirrors.....   reading it again it's all mccSpin...

The article outlines the complaints the mccs filed against The Times. It refers to News Gazette seeing the High Court forms.... but not to hearing High Court action.
It refers to the mccs claiming "unspecified damages"... and reports: "according to publisher News UK the claim has been settled"..... inferring that the mccs won......... however,.....the article is careful to not actually state this.......

It then goes on to sabre rattling, listing the threatening gestures of the plaintiffs- their demands for revision, their dispute of the facts, their invoking of the mighty Carter Ruck-
again, implied that all this took place in a court of law, but interestingly does not state it.....

The inference is that the Macs emerged vindicated......
 
We've all read the mealy mouthed "apology" printed by The Times at the time. It basically said, right, there's one thing we can't prove, but we stand by the rest of it.


The McCanns were libelled and took action.     Good for them. 

Let's hope this puts an end to the myth that the McCanns control the UK press.


The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

stephen25000

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Re: Sunday Times sued by McCanns
« Reply #21 on: September 20, 2014, 09:33:34 AM »
Why do you keep asking the same question?   No-one knows why -  as the public (unsurprisingly)  have not been informed of the details.   However, SY will know - and that is all that matters.

The mccanns had no excuse.

After all they were looking for Madeleine, weren't they ?

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Offline Benice

Re: Sunday Times sued by McCanns
« Reply #22 on: September 20, 2014, 09:38:19 AM »
The mccanns had no excuse.

After all they were looking for Madeleine, weren't they ?

 &%&£(+ &%&£(+ &%&£(+

You can have no idea what the reasons were - as we haven't been told them.  I don't know why you are even bothering to ask the question as even if they did give a full explanation  - if it didn't suit you - you would simply claim they were lying.


The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

stephen25000

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Re: Sunday Times sued by McCanns
« Reply #23 on: September 20, 2014, 09:47:55 AM »
You can have no idea what the reasons were - as we haven't been told them.  I don't know why you are even bothering to ask the question as even if they did give a full explanation  - if it didn't suit you - you would simply claim they were lying.

They said they were looking for Madeleine.

So why didn't they publish the e-fit ?


Offline xtina

Re: Sunday Times sued by McCanns
« Reply #24 on: September 20, 2014, 09:48:42 AM »

The McCanns were libelled and took action.     Good for them. 

Let's hope this puts an end to the myth that the McCanns control the UK press.

I Don't think the mccs controll the media........they just watch them like a hawk..[if only they had maddie].....and it shows you what will happen if they write anything to upset them ,....they will sue.....sue ...sue...that is what they are afraid of ....

you don't actually know though....if they got compensation ...or the article just to pacify them for there distress [cough]

is this article only on line.......... or is it in the national paper as well
Always listen to both sides of the story before you judge.

The first storyteller you will always find has modified the story, for there benefit BE WISE.

Offline Benice

Re: Sunday Times sued by McCanns
« Reply #25 on: September 20, 2014, 09:58:37 AM »
I Don't think the mccs controll the media........they just watch them like a hawk..[if only they had maddie].....and it shows you what will happen if they write anything to upset them ,....they will sue.....sue ...sue...that is what they are afraid of ....

you don't actually know though....if they got compensation ...or the article just to pacify them for there distress [cough]

is this article only on line.......... or is it in the national paper as well

The article seems perfectly straightforward IMO.   The fact that some people feel the need to dissect it to the Nth degree to try to make it mean something different - is inexplicable to me.


The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Sunday Times sued by McCanns
« Reply #26 on: September 20, 2014, 11:02:50 AM »
The Crimewatch Reconstruction showed the correct detail of the Smith's sighting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=OZ8jmdWlB8Y#t=1431


Oh look, the McCann's reconstruction didn't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=na4aBr5PTYY#t=348

Fancy that.

The McCanns have 21:50 and carrying the child the same way as Tannerman  @)(++(*

I wonder where the yard should search  &%+((£

Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Brietta

Re: Sunday Times sued by McCanns
« Reply #27 on: September 20, 2014, 11:21:02 AM »
They said that the story led to them having “suffered serious damage to their reputations and severe embarrassment and distress”.

IMO..... always ...reputation comes first....its the only thing that disstresses or devastates them...never mind though mccs there there ...money always makes your suffering better........ .

Reputation and dignity seems to rate very highly with Dr Amaral if we are to believe his statements on why he wrote his book denigrating Madeleine's parents.  No complaints about that?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Eleanor

Re: Sunday Times sued by McCanns
« Reply #28 on: September 20, 2014, 11:25:17 AM »
They said they were looking for Madeleine.

So why didn't they publish the e-fit ?

Stephen, please stop being boring.  No one knows why, and no one is telling.

ferryman

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Re: Sunday Times sued by McCanns
« Reply #29 on: September 20, 2014, 12:18:09 PM »
The Sunday Times made a right dogs dinner of this story.  There is case to answer as to why e-fits created in 2007 of a suspect were never made available to the wider public until late last year. 

Why were these e-fits withheld, by whom and on whose advice?

I think it's perfectly simple, John.

Martin Smith was approached by Brian Kennedy to produce an e-fit in January 2008, but refused.

It is plain common sense that all the time he thought he had seen Gerry he would refuse.

It was surely only after the files were released in August 2008 following shelving of the first enquiry that Mr Smith realised he had been mistaken (to suppose the man was Gerry) and agreed to produce the e-fit.

The e-fits were in the hands of British and Portuguese police by 2009, yet they chose the moment of the crimewatch programme to release the efit.

You simply cannot produce an e-fit of a man carrying a child in close proximity to apartment 5a at just about the time Madeleine is known to have been abducted other than in the context of a live enquiry.

The police understood that, and the McCanns would have been crucified for doing so, particularly when the police had chosen to wait until the launch of a fresh investigation.

Indeed, it's not even clear that the McCanns were in a position to release the efit before the police.  Did they actually have it in their possession?