Who Confessed to the Murder?

[Nicholas]

Luke was a child and probably thought, as his mum said, that she had met some friends.

He told police Jodi ‘dumped’ him - is this why he finally chose to murder her on that day do you think ?

[Nicholas]

Why instantly suspicious of Luke though? This statement was given afterwards, along with statements from the others.

"one police officer" what did the other police officer note? Two officers in attendance at JuJ's house while Luke was on the path?  The search trio only heading out. Luke had spoken with JuJ at 10.59pm at the beginning of his search of the path. Fair to assume she informs the police of this, therefore at this point he is searching alone.

Agreed

Does Sandra Lean highlight this in her book?

[Nicholas]

What I really want to pick up on here is the actual part of what the operator said "the laddies in a right state" used when Ms Lean makes an attempt to show that Luke was not emotionless. Luke was calm and collective in his call, it was SK who was extremely distressed he was the "laddie in a right state" The defence attempted to use this at trial, until the actual recordings were played clearly showing it was the call from SK and not LM who was "in a right state."

Does Sandra Lean point this out in her book?

[Nicholas]

Luke was calm and collective in his call, it was SK who was extremely distressed he was the "laddie in a right state" The defence attempted to use this at trial, until the actual recordings were played clearly showing it was the call from SK and not LM who was "in a right state."

Excerpt from Sandra Lean’s book ‘No Smoke’ page 98

(The police operator who took Luke’s call asking police to come quickly noted, “the laddies in a right state”)

[Mr Apples]

What I really want to pick up on here is the actual part of what the operator said "the laddies in a right state" used when Ms Lean makes an attempt to show that Luke was not emotionless. Luke was calm and collective in his call, it was SK who was extremely distressed he was the "laddie in a right state" The defence attempted to use this at trial, until the actual recordings were played clearly showing it was the call from SK and not LM who was "in a right state”.

Interesting. Up until now, I was under the impression that it was Luke who was emotional during the calls to emergency services and SK wasn’t (SL said in an interview that Luke screamed when he first saw the body and that Janine Jones could tell from Luke’s voice when he said he’d found something that something was wrong and she feared the worst). Parky41, do you have a link to this info? What is your source?

[faithlilly]

He told police Jodi ‘dumped’ him - is this why he finally chose to murder her on that day do you think ?

Do you have a cite?

[Mr Apples]

He told police Jodi ‘dumped’ him

Really? What is your source? Do you have a link?

[faithlilly]

Why instantly suspicious of Luke though? This statement was given afterwards, along with statements from the others.

"one police officer" what did the other police officer note? Two officers in attendance at JuJ's house while Luke was on the path?  The search trio only heading out. Luke had spoken with JuJ at 10.59pm at the beginning of his search of the path. Fair to assume she informs the police of this, therefore at this point he is searching alone.

Yes fair to assume but if you’re going to quote SL please try and be less selective. SL’s point was that suspicion  fell on Luke early because the police had been provided three pieces of false information that formed their view a) that Luke was the only one searching b) that he was on his bike c) and most importantly, that Luke had left home earlier in the evening with Jodi but was now saying that he hadn’t seen her.


Couple of things here: Where is this confusion that there was 'only Luke?' from the operators? when the call clearly states - "they" however, from the moment the police arrive they are aware that there are four people, within no time at all they are aware that these 4 had been together at some point searching once statements were taken. 

What I really want to pick up on here is the actual part of what the operator said "the laddies in a right state" used when Ms Lean makes an attempt to show that Luke was not emotionless. Luke was calm and collective in his call, it was SK who was extremely distressed he was the "laddie in a right state" The defence attempted to use this at trial, until the actual recordings were played clearly showing it was the call from SK and not LM who was "in a right state."

Do you have a cite? JaJ said in a statement that everyone was in hysterics.

Also remembering here the evidence of the emergency services whom attended at the scene, of LM's demeanor?

What did the emergency services say about Luke’s demeanour?

Certainly, however there are areas here, as to why suspicion fell upon LM, from this moment it became increasingly difficult to eliminate him

Covered this in another post - LM had told JuJ that Jodi had failed to turn up. She had not arrived at his. That he was searching the path. The search party were heading to meet up to search. LM was still on this path. That time frame - reported missing at 10.50pm found around 11.30pm She had failed to meet with Luke, the connecting area is the path however we know that the prompt for searching this path, came from LM. The search trio barely had time to draw breath before being led onto Roansdyke path?

Not true. It was Alice who suggested they look back up the path Luke had just come down.

[Nicholas]

Do you have a cite? JaJ said in a statement that everyone was in hysterics.

JaJ didn’t adopt this

What did she say once the initial & overwhelming shock wore off?

[faithlilly]

JaJ didn’t adopt this

What did she say once the initial & overwhelming shock wore off?

There’s several things JaJ didn’t ‘adopt’ from her first statements. Studies tell us though that first statements are almost always the most accurate.

[Nicholas]

There’s several things JaJ didn’t ‘adopt’ from her first statements. Studies tell us though that first statements are almost always the most accurate.

How did shock, distress and trauma effect JaJ first statement ?

[Nicholas]

"once again we are left with the real possibility that Jodi was murdered elsewhere" - ???

Maybe Sandra Lean will explain to her followers why no large areas of blood staining or ‘pooling’ appear to have been found anywhere other than where the tent was eventually erected

[faithlilly]

How did shock, distress and trauma effect JaJ first statement ?

I notice you make no such accommodation for Luke.

[Nicholas]

I also find it interesting how Sandra Lean is suggesting the following here: http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg452099.html#msg452099

“I was thinking about the claimed 20 pieces of solid evidence against Luke (that's been deleted now) - what's always interested me are the number of pieces of "evidence" that applied equally, and in some cases, moreso, to others than they did to Luke - so, drug use, connection with knives, "dark" interests, etc, etc. There are at least 5 others to whom all of these apply. Of those five, we can add serious mental health conditions (which didn't apply to Luke), previous attacks on women (which didn't apply to Luke), attacks with bladed intruments (which didn't apply to Luke), long histories of violence and/or involvement with the police (which didn't apply to Luke)
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg452099.html#msg452099

“Dark interests” would suggest to me she has finally conceded Luke Mitchell’s interests in satanism aren’t/weren’t normal per se.

Having serious mental health conditions does not automatically suggest that person culpable of murder or indeed a danger to others.

Luke Mitchell didn’t have convictions for previous attacks on women girls but there were plenty of allegations of such

What does Luke’s fathers police witness statement say on these?

[mrswah]

Luke Mitchell didn’t have convictions for previous attacks on women girls but there were plenty of allegations of such

What does Luke’s fathers police witness statement say on these?

Plenty of allegations? ??