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Off Topic and General Discussions => Off topic, general discussions and the Wide Awake Club. => Topic started by: mrswah on November 06, 2018, 01:11:00 PM
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30 year old Carol Park went missing in July of 1976. Twenty one years later, on 13th August 1997, her body was discovered in Coniston Water in the Lake District. At the time she went missing, her husband Gordon was told by police investigating her disappearance, that, were she to be found murdered, he would be the prime suspect.
Gordon Park was arrested and charged with Carol's murder after her body was discovered, but a few months later, the charges against him were dropped.
However, in 2004, Gordon Park was re-arrested, and in early 2005, he stood trial for his wife's murder. He was found guilty, and sentenced to life imprisonment.
Gordon Park committed suicide in prison in early 2010, on his 66th birthday. He never confessed to the crime.
Both Sandra Lean (Chapter 4 "No Smoke") and Bob Woffinden (Chapter 6, "The Nicholas Cases") believed Gordon Park to be a victim of a MOJ.
It has recently been announced that the case is to go back to the Court of Appeal, in the hope that Gordon's conviction will be posthumously quashed.
This was a case that was very well publicised in the media, and nicknamed "The Lady in the Lake" murder.
So, what do people think? Was he innocent?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_in_the_Lake_trial
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-45995970
www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/16759455.former-prosecutor-publishes-book-backing-lady-in-the-lake-murder-conviction/
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/husband-is-convicted-of-lady-in-the-lake-murder-488727.html
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30 year old Carol Park went missing in July of 1976. Twenty one years later, on 13th August 1997, her body was discovered in Coniston Water in the Lake District. At the time she went missing, her husband Gordon was told by police investigating her disappearance, that, were she to be found murdered, he would be the prime suspect.
Gordon Park was arrested and charged with Carol's murder after her body was discovered, but a few months later, the charges against him were dropped.
However, in 2004, Gordon Park was re-arrested, and in early 2005, he stood trial for his wife's murder. He was found guilty, and sentenced to life imprisonment.
Gordon Park committed suicide in prison in early 2010, on his 66th birthday. He never confessed to the crime.
Both Sandra Lean (Chapter 4 "No Smoke") and Bob Woffinden (Chapter 6, "The Nicholas Cases") believed Gordon Park to be a victim of a MOJ.
It has recently been announced that the case is to go back to the Court of Appeal, in the hope that Gordon's conviction will be posthumously quashed.
This was a case that was very well publicised in the media, and nicknamed "The Lady in the Lake" murder.
So, what do people think? Was he innocent?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_in_the_Lake_trial
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-45995970
www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/16759455.former-prosecutor-publishes-book-backing-lady-in-the-lake-murder-conviction/
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/husband-is-convicted-of-lady-in-the-lake-murder-488727.html
"He also produced, for Channel 4, the 1992 film Hanratty: The Mystery of Deadman’s Hill, about the case of James Hanratty, who was executed in 1962 for the murder of Michael Gregsten in what was known as the A6 murder. He later wrote Hanratty: The Final Verdict (1997) and his work led to the retesting of exhibits for DNA and an unsuccessful appeal in 2002 as the results indicated that Hanratty was indeed guilty; Bob continued to believe in his innocence, arguing that, after so many years, the DNA could have been contaminated.
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2018/may/11/bob-woffinden-obituary
"I was wrong about Bambi Killer
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2018/may/11/bob-woffinden-obituary
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,825.0.html
https://jeremybamber.blogspot.com/2011/05/what-bob-woffinden-didnt-consider.html
http://www.jeremybambertestimony.co.uk/sarah-hanover
"for Years, Crime Writer BOB WOFFINDEN Argued Jeremy Bamber Was Innocent. Now He's Unearthed New Evidence ... and Is Utterly Convinced of Bamber's Guilt
https://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-256441481.html
"THE LOST CLUES THAT COULD CLEAR THE BAMBI KILLER ...
It was one of Britain’s most horrific murders. Here, in a major investigation, we reveal the unseen evidence that could finally clear JeremyBamber of gunning down his wealthy family
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/daily-mail/20080112/281754149996959
The Criminal Cases Review Commission has failed
".......six cases are yet to be heard, including the Simon Hall case, which goes to appeal in a couple of weeks. During this time, there have been referrals of 10 other cases that have failed at appeal. They include the cases of Michael Attwooll and John Roden; Robert Kennedy; and David Shale. These are all meritorious cases and so the injustice remains unaddressed
"....The government did look at the CCRC in the comprehensive spending review, but it survived. After all, it has become a highly expedient mechanism. It allows ministers to deflect all questions about, and accordingly blame for, miscarriages of justice and the malfunctioning of the judicial system. Probably that's its main residual function: as a fig leaf.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/libertycentral/2010/nov/30/criminal-cases-review-commission-failed
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30 year old Carol Park went missing in July of 1976. Twenty one years later, on 13th August 1997, her body was discovered in Coniston Water in the Lake District. At the time she went missing, her husband Gordon was told by police investigating her disappearance, that, were she to be found murdered, he would be the prime suspect.
Gordon Park was arrested and charged with Carol's murder after her body was discovered, but a few months later, the charges against him were dropped.
However, in 2004, Gordon Park was re-arrested, and in early 2005, he stood trial for his wife's murder. He was found guilty, and sentenced to life imprisonment.
Gordon Park committed suicide in prison in early 2010, on his 66th birthday. He never confessed to the crime.
Both Sandra Lean (Chapter 4 "No Smoke") and Bob Woffinden (Chapter 6, "The Nicholas Cases") believed Gordon Park to be a victim of a MOJ.
It has recently been announced that the case is to go back to the Court of Appeal, in the hope that Gordon's conviction will be posthumously quashed.
This was a case that was very well publicised in the media, and nicknamed "The Lady in the Lake" murder.
So, what do people think? Was he innocent?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_in_the_Lake_trial
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-45995970
www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/16759455.former-prosecutor-publishes-book-backing-lady-in-the-lake-murder-conviction/
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/husband-is-convicted-of-lady-in-the-lake-murder-488727.html
Refer to chapter 5
"Body in the bath killer
https://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/8971434.life-for-body-in-the-bath-killer/
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9318.msg498402#msg498402
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=442.0
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http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10313.msg498742#msg498742
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30 year old Carol Park went missing in July of 1976. Twenty one years later, on 13th August 1997, her body was discovered in Coniston Water in the Lake District. At the time she went missing, her husband Gordon was told by police investigating her disappearance, that, were she to be found murdered, he would be the prime suspect.
Gordon Park was arrested and charged with Carol's murder after her body was discovered, but a few months later, the charges against him were dropped.
However, in 2004, Gordon Park was re-arrested, and in early 2005, he stood trial for his wife's murder. He was found guilty, and sentenced to life imprisonment.
Gordon Park committed suicide in prison in early 2010, on his 66th birthday. He never confessed to the crime.
Both Sandra Lean (Chapter 4 "No Smoke") and Bob Woffinden (Chapter 6, "The Nicholas Cases") believed Gordon Park to be a victim of a MOJ.
It has recently been announced that the case is to go back to the Court of Appeal, in the hope that Gordon's conviction will be posthumously quashed.
This was a case that was very well publicised in the media, and nicknamed "The Lady in the Lake" murder.
So, what do people think? Was he innocent?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_in_the_Lake_trial
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-45995970
www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/16759455.former-prosecutor-publishes-book-backing-lady-in-the-lake-murder-conviction/
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/husband-is-convicted-of-lady-in-the-lake-murder-488727.html
Why did he ask his wife to send him the prison and probation ombudsman report into Shipmans suicide?
According to reports prison security flagged this up as a risk factor?
Did the prison authorities or anyone else, following his conviction, consider Gordon Park to be a psychopath?
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30 year old Carol Park went missing in July of 1976. Twenty one years later, on 13th August 1997, her body was discovered in Coniston Water in the Lake District. At the time she went missing, her husband Gordon was told by police investigating her disappearance, that, were she to be found murdered, he would be the prime suspect.
Gordon Park was arrested and charged with Carol's murder after her body was discovered, but a few months later, the charges against him were dropped.
However, in 2004, Gordon Park was re-arrested, and in early 2005, he stood trial for his wife's murder. He was found guilty, and sentenced to life imprisonment.
Gordon Park committed suicide in prison in early 2010, on his 66th birthday. He never confessed to the crime.
Both Sandra Lean (Chapter 4 "No Smoke") and Bob Woffinden (Chapter 6, "The Nicholas Cases") believed Gordon Park to be a victim of a MOJ.
It has recently been announced that the case is to go back to the Court of Appeal, in the hope that Gordon's conviction will be posthumously quashed.
This was a case that was very well publicised in the media, and nicknamed "The Lady in the Lake" murder.
So, what do people think? Was he innocent?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_in_the_Lake_trial
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-45995970
www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/16759455.former-prosecutor-publishes-book-backing-lady-in-the-lake-murder-conviction/
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/husband-is-convicted-of-lady-in-the-lake-murder-488727.html
Interesting thread mrswah. It will be interesting to learn more
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Interesting thread mrswah. It will be interesting to learn more
Yes. Me too.
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https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2e8ihv (https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2e8ihv)
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https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2e8ihv (https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2e8ihv)
Thanks. The knots alone were a giveaway.
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Thanks. The knots alone were a giveaway.
A control freak whose anger eventually got the better of him?... or someone else with a similar knot-tying ability but different DNA, if the latest CCRC submission holds any weight...
https://ccrc.gov.uk/commission-refers-the-murder-conviction-of-gordon-park/ (https://ccrc.gov.uk/commission-refers-the-murder-conviction-of-gordon-park/)
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A control freak whose anger eventually got the better of him?... or someone else with a similar knot-tying ability but different DNA, if the latest CCRC submission holds any weight...
https://ccrc.gov.uk/commission-refers-the-murder-conviction-of-gordon-park/ (https://ccrc.gov.uk/commission-refers-the-murder-conviction-of-gordon-park/)
Oh Dear. This can only get more interesting. Except for Mr. Parks, of course.
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A control freak whose anger eventually got the better of him?... or someone else with a similar knot-tying ability but different DNA, if the latest CCRC submission holds any weight...
https://ccrc.gov.uk/commission-refers-the-murder-conviction-of-gordon-park/ (https://ccrc.gov.uk/commission-refers-the-murder-conviction-of-gordon-park/)
I would imagine a number of people in Cumbria go sailing, hiking and climbing, and would also have knowledge of specialist knot tying.
Carol Park's sister was murdered by her boyfriend. Two sisters murdered by their partners? Possible, I suppose, but ------well-----hm.
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I would imagine a number of people in Cumbria go sailing, hiking and climbing, and would also have knowledge of specialist knot tying.
Carol Park's sister was murdered by her boyfriend. Two sisters murdered by their partners? Possible, I suppose, but ------well-----hm.
Have you followed this case for long mrswah or just looking more into based on the new developments?
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Have you followed this case for long mrswah or just looking more into based on the new developments?
Not that long, although I do remember reading about the body being discovered, and Gordon Park's trial and conviction. I assumed he was guilty at the time.
My current interest in the case was "sparked" by the fact that both Sandra Lean and Bob Woffinden believe GP was wrongly convicted, so I have looked into it further. I decided to start a thread on this forum, when I recently read that the case is going to the Court of Appeal.
I can't say whether he was innocent or guilty, but I do agree that the case should be looked at again.
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Thanks for explaining . its good sometimes to know what made someone take an interest in a case. I have read bits over time and have wondered about the case
Like you I havent made any firm decisions about his guilt or innocence but will read on to learn more
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How extraordinary that a man who claimed to have fully analysed this case should make a glaring mistake with the name of one type of knot used to tie up Carol Park. A half hitch is the correct term, not half-stitch which is something completely different and used in needlework.
But then again Bob Woffinden was wrong about Jeremy Bamber first time round.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1246355/Lady-Lake-killer-innocent-real-murderer-large-says-investigative-journalist.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1246355/Lady-Lake-killer-innocent-real-murderer-large-says-investigative-journalist.html)
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Another short documentary, amateur this time... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bICjoDVQ-Jw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bICjoDVQ-Jw)
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How extraordinary that a man who claimed to have fully analysed this case should make a glaring mistake with the name of one type of knot used to tie up Carol Park. A half hitch is the correct term, not half-stitch which is something completely different and used in needlework.
But then again Bob Woffinden was wrong about Jeremy Bamber first time round.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1246355/Lady-Lake-killer-innocent-real-murderer-large-says-investigative-journalist.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1246355/Lady-Lake-killer-innocent-real-murderer-large-says-investigative-journalist.html)
In "The Nicholas Cases", Woffinden does refer to "half-hitch" knots. Who is to say it wasn't the newspaper reporter who made the mistake?
It is true that Woffinden did change his mind about Bamber, but we don't know for certain that he was wrong!!
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In "The Nicholas Cases", Woffinden does refer to "half-hitch" knots. Who is to say it wasn't the newspaper reporter who made the mistake?
It is true that Woffinden did change his mind about Bamber, but we don't know for certain that he was wrong!!
Maybe, but why didn't Woffinden correct it... his name headed the article in 2010 and he only died in 2018. And he definitely did get it right about JB second time around!
What I find impossible to believe is that Gordon Park wasn't responsible for the murder of his wife, despite this latest smoke and mirrors DNA rope trick. Who is to say that it didn't originate from contact with anyone, eg. the chandler/hardware store who sold it, the divers who recovered the trussed-up body, or the police and other investigators who later handled it? Park might even have worn gloves when securing the package.
Or in fact why anyone (a lover, say) other than a husband who was at war with Carol for the control of their children, dominated her life to such an excessive degree, and was rumoured to be violent towards her, should go to such extreme lengths to make sure her body would never be recovered. He was also proficient with knots, knew how to sail, was familiar with every part of Coniston water and imo deliberately evasive during police interviews.
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Maybe, but why didn't Woffinden correct it... his name headed the article in 2010 and he only died in 2018. And he definitely did get it right about JB second time around!
What I find impossible to believe is that Gordon Park wasn't responsible for the murder of his wife, despite this latest smoke and mirrors DNA rope trick. Who is to say that it didn't originate from contact with anyone, eg. the chandler/hardware store who sold it, the divers who recovered the trussed-up body, or the police and other investigators who later handled it? Park might even have worn gloves when securing the package.
Or in fact why anyone (a lover, say) other than a husband who was at war with Carol for the control of their children, dominated her life to such an excessive degree, and was rumoured to be violent towards her, should go to such extreme lengths to make sure her body would never be recovered. He was also proficient with knots, knew how to sail, was familiar with every part of Coniston water and imo deliberately evasive during police interviews.
I've grown up with this murder - it was on local news regularly, especially when they found the body. Park was always the main suspect and I agree, the DNA may (in this case) be clouding the issue.
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I've grown up with this murder - it was on local news regularly, especially when they found the body. Park was always the main suspect and I agree, the DNA may (in this case) be clouding the issue.
And I remember seeing Donald Campbell condemned to a watery grave in '67 until his body, whatever remained of it, was recovered 37 years later...
https://www.britishpathe.com/video/donald-campbell-dies-in-bluebird-crash (https://www.britishpathe.com/video/donald-campbell-dies-in-bluebird-crash)
Forgot to add that Park only reported Carol's disappearance after six weeks, after being prompted to do so by her step-brother! Even then he only contacted them through his solicitor, and PC Bob Lawson was prevented by Park from questioning their children about Carol's whereabouts. All highly suspicious.
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And I remember seeing Donald Campbell condemned to a watery grave in '67 until his body, whatever remained of it, was recovered 37 years later...
https://www.britishpathe.com/video/donald-campbell-dies-in-bluebird-crash (https://www.britishpathe.com/video/donald-campbell-dies-in-bluebird-crash)
Forgot to add that Park only reported Carol's disappearance after six weeks, after being prompted to do so by her step-brother! Even then he only contacted them through his solicitor, and PC Bob Lawson was prevented by Park from questioning their children about Carol's whereabouts. All highly suspicious.
Oh my goodness.....SO guilty. IMO Park had a bit of a Richard Challen vibe going on, autistic and controlling. If I had loads of money, like, say....a podgy ex-barrister, I'd bet the farm on it.
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And I remember seeing Donald Campbell condemned to a watery grave in '67 until his body, whatever remained of it, was recovered 37 years later...
https://www.britishpathe.com/video/donald-campbell-dies-in-bluebird-crash (https://www.britishpathe.com/video/donald-campbell-dies-in-bluebird-crash)
Forgot to add that Park only reported Carol's disappearance after six weeks, after being prompted to do so by her step-brother! Even then he only contacted them through his solicitor, and PC Bob Lawson was prevented by Park from questioning their children about Carol's whereabouts. All highly suspicious.
Yes, I remember when they found Donald Campbell too.
I think Park's children were a bit too young for questioning at the time. However, as you say, his reaction to the police, and his only contacting them through his solicitor IS a bit suspect.
Carol had, apparently, "disappeared" before, and Gordon assumed she would be back before she began her job in September (she was a teacher). it was when she failed to reappear then that he reported her missing.
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Yes, I remember when they found Donald Campbell too.
I think Park's children were a bit too young for questioning at the time. However, as you say, his reaction to the police, and his only contacting them through his solicitor IS a bit suspect.
Carol had, apparently, "disappeared" before, and Gordon assumed she would be back before she began her job in September (she was a teacher). it was when she failed to reappear then that he reported her missing.
My first experience of a death "live" on TV... snuffed out in 30 seconds. The stillness of the aftermath when his boat totally disappeared as if by magic struck the commentator speechless, as I remember it.
Odd too that Carol should leave without her rings, money and handbag, yet Park said she took jewellery and clothes, some of which were found near her submerged packaged body... and NO woman would EVER forget her handbag!
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My first experience of a death "live" on TV... snuffed out in 30 seconds. The stillness of the aftermath when his boat totally disappeared as if by magic struck the commentator speechless, as I remember it.
Odd too that Carol should leave without her rings, money and handbag, yet Park said she took jewellery and clothes, some of which were found near her submerged packaged body... and NO woman would EVER forget her handbag!
Well, I have to agree there-----or rather, no woman would be parted from her handbag!
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Maybe, but why didn't Woffinden correct it... his name headed the article in 2010 and he only died in 2018. And he definitely did get it right about JB second time around!
What I find impossible to believe is that Gordon Park wasn't responsible for the murder of his wife, despite this latest smoke and mirrors DNA rope trick. Who is to say that it didn't originate from contact with anyone, eg. the chandler/hardware store who sold it, the divers who recovered the trussed-up body, or the police and other investigators who later handled it? Park might even have worn gloves when securing the package.
Or in fact why anyone (a lover, say) other than a husband who was at war with Carol for the control of their children, dominated her life to such an excessive degree, and was rumoured to be violent towards her, should go to such extreme lengths to make sure her body would never be recovered. He was also proficient with knots, knew how to sail, was familiar with every part of Coniston water and imo deliberately evasive during police interviews.
There appears to have been a directions hearing regarding Gordon Park’s murder conviction in June and apparently the case was listed last week - 3rd October 2019 - case reference # 201804430 https://www.gov.uk/guidance/court-of-appeal-cases-fixed-for-hearing-criminal-division
Nothing in the media it seems?
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There appears to have been a directions hearing regarding Gordon Park’s murder conviction in June and apparently the case was listed last week - 3rd October 2019 - case reference # 201804430 https://www.gov.uk/guidance/court-of-appeal-cases-fixed-for-hearing-criminal-division (https://www.gov.uk/guidance/court-of-appeal-cases-fixed-for-hearing-criminal-division)
Nothing in the media it seems?
Maybe the hearing has been delayed / postponed or the press haven't got wind of the result yet.
Info on the appeal in July...
https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/chilling-case-lady-lake-back-16615389 (https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/chilling-case-lady-lake-back-16615389)
and two more documentaries...
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3lq75e (https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3lq75e)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bICjoDVQ-Jw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bICjoDVQ-Jw)
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Maybe the hearing has been delayed / postponed or the press haven't got wind of the result yet.
Info on the appeal in July...
https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/chilling-case-lady-lake-back-16615389 (https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/chilling-case-lady-lake-back-16615389)
and two more documentaries...
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3lq75e (https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3lq75e)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bICjoDVQ-Jw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bICjoDVQ-Jw)
Speaking of documentaries
If anyone happens upon “A Very British Murder” shown on C4 https://www.theguardian.com/media/2000/sep/13/tvandradio.television1 re Peter Hogg, please post link.
”When they found Margaret Hogg's body at the chilly bottom of England's deepest lake, eight years after being dumped there by her husband, she was still wearing mascara. Strangled in her Surrey bedroom after a fight, driven hundreds of miles in the boot of the family car and finally dumped in 260 feet of murky Lake District water, Margaret's mascara was evidently the kind to have the make-up artist from Titanic seething with jealousy. It was details such as this that made her murder, at the hands of suave pilot Peter, sound like a gruesome advert for Max Factor.
In fact, Margaret's murder was an advert for killing your wife, at least back in the late 70s. Then, if a man was suave and a bit emotionally wounded and his wife's life easily interpreted as slutty, murdering her was seen as a reasonable course of action. (That's something they don't tell you on I Love The 70s.)As it was, Peter Hogg thought he'd been hard done by when he got three years for murdering Margaret, as did many people in his home town of Cranleigh. As a lovely lady journalist explained in A Very British Murder (C4), some people were quite pleased he as good as got away with it. And before you assume that such an attitude is peculiar to Surrey (for there is a lot peculiar about Surrey), consider that the murderer of Carol Ann Park is still at large and she was from Barrow-in-Furness.
Carol, you understand, had extra-marital relationships and wouldn't go anywhere without her hairdryer, so when she - obviously a strumpet - vanished, she was only ever classified as a missing person, not as a probably-dead person. Twenty-one years after she had gone "missing", she turned up with her face caved in with an axe at the bottom of a lake. Still no one has been charged with her murder.
"What makes the British murder?" ask the billboards promoting this series. Same as anyone else, it would seem: hate, jealousy and rage. A more apposite question would have been "Why do the murderers of Carol Ann Park and Margaret Hogg get away with it?" To which there is only one answer: misogyny. Proof, if you need it, of the adage that society prepares crimes while criminals are only the instruments necessary for executing them.
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Speaking of documentaries
If anyone happens upon “A Very British Murder” shown on C4 https://www.theguardian.com/media/2000/sep/13/tvandradio.television1 re Peter Hogg, please post link.
”When they found Margaret Hogg's body at the chilly bottom of England's deepest lake, eight years after being dumped there by her husband, she was still wearing mascara. Strangled in her Surrey bedroom after a fight, driven hundreds of miles in the boot of the family car and finally dumped in 260 feet of murky Lake District water, Margaret's mascara was evidently the kind to have the make-up artist from Titanic seething with jealousy. It was details such as this that made her murder, at the hands of suave pilot Peter, sound like a gruesome advert for Max Factor.
In fact, Margaret's murder was an advert for killing your wife, at least back in the late 70s. Then, if a man was suave and a bit emotionally wounded and his wife's life easily interpreted as slutty, murdering her was seen as a reasonable course of action. (That's something they don't tell you on I Love The 70s.)As it was, Peter Hogg thought he'd been hard done by when he got three years for murdering Margaret, as did many people in his home town of Cranleigh. As a lovely lady journalist explained in A Very British Murder (C4), some people were quite pleased he as good as got away with it. And before you assume that such an attitude is peculiar to Surrey (for there is a lot peculiar about Surrey), consider that the murderer of Carol Ann Park is still at large and she was from Barrow-in-Furness.
Carol, you understand, had extra-marital relationships and wouldn't go anywhere without her hairdryer, so when she - obviously a strumpet - vanished, she was only ever classified as a missing person, not as a probably-dead person. Twenty-one years after she had gone "missing", she turned up with her face caved in with an axe at the bottom of a lake. Still no one has been charged with her murder.
"What makes the British murder?" ask the billboards promoting this series. Same as anyone else, it would seem: hate, jealousy and rage. A more apposite question would have been "Why do the murderers of Carol Ann Park and Margaret Hogg get away with it?" To which there is only one answer: misogyny. Proof, if you need it, of the adage that society prepares crimes while criminals are only the instruments necessary for executing them.
”Judge Thomas Pigot said he gave Hogg a minimum four-year term for the manslaughter of his wife because of his 'exemplary character and his glowing testimonials to his qualities as a man and a father.'
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1985/03/08/Airline-pilot-Peter-Hogg-who-strangled-his-wife-and/1032479106000/
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Maybe the hearing has been delayed / postponed or the press haven't got wind of the result yet.
Info on the appeal in July...
https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/chilling-case-lady-lake-back-16615389 (https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/chilling-case-lady-lake-back-16615389)
and two more documentaries...
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3lq75e (https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3lq75e)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bICjoDVQ-Jw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bICjoDVQ-Jw)
CCRC
@ccrcupdate
The Court of Appeal is due tomorrow to begin hearing the appeal in the
@ccrcupdate referral case of Gordon Park for the so-called Lady in the Lake Murder. The original basis for the
@ccrcupdate referral can be seen in our October 2018 statement here: http://ccrc.gov.uk/commission-refers-the-murder-conviction-of-gordon-park/
https://mobile.twitter.com/ccrcupdate/status/1191412196523331584
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CCRC
@ccrcupdate
The Court of Appeal is due tomorrow to begin hearing the appeal in the
@ccrcupdate referral case of Gordon Park for the so-called Lady in the Lake Murder. The original basis for the
@ccrcupdate referral can be seen in our October 2018 statement here: http://ccrc.gov.uk/commission-refers-the-murder-conviction-of-gordon-park/
https://mobile.twitter.com/ccrcupdate/status/1191412196523331584
Danny Shaw
@DannyShawBBC
I’m at Court of Appeal where three judges are hearing a posthumous challenge brought on behalf of Gordon Park, the so-called #ladyinthelake murderer
Henry Blaxland QC for Park’s family says there are 2 grounds of Appeal: 1: non disclosure at trial of evidence of credibility of prisoner, Michael Wainwright, who said Park confessed & evidence which undermined a prosecution expert #ladyinthelake
And 2: new forensic evidence about alleged murder weapon, a climbing axe, from two forensic dentists. A third ground of Appeal, concerning DNA evidence from area of rope used to bind the victim, Carol Park, has been abandoned. #ladyinthelake
Blaxland tells the court: “However one looks at it, the material which is now available should lead this court to come to the conclusion that the conviction is now unsafe.” #ladyinthelake
Background to the case: Carol Park went missing in 1976. Her remains were found 21 years later in Coniston Water. Gordon Park was convicted in 2005 & killed himself in prison in 2010. The case was referred to Court of Appeal by Criminal Cases Review Commission #ladyinthelake
Blaxland has completed submissions, in under 2 hours. Now onto Richard Whitham QC, for the Crown. He begins by setting out the circumstantial evidence against Gordon Park, saying there were “over 20 circumstantial points...there was a strong circumstantial case” #ladyinthelake
Whitham points out potentially the “most powerful” new evidence in favour of Park, relating to DNA on knots of rope used to bind Carol Park’s body, has fallen away. #ladyinthelake
Whitham says information that key prosecution witness, a prisoner who provided cell confession evidence, was a heroin user involved in drugs trafficking would not have had a “significant impact” on the case because his character was explored in detail at the trial #ladyinthelake
After some further comments from Blaxland the three judges have retired briefly.. #ladyinthelake
The appeal has finished. Judgment has been reserved. #ladyinthelake
3:06 PM · Nov 5, 2019·Twitter for iPhone
https://mobile.twitter.com/DannyShawBBC/status/1191733478158741511
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Excerpts from an article by Jon Robins for the justice gap headed: “Government assurances sought over claims of political interference at miscarriage of justice watchdog” 4th September 2019
“Henry Blaxland QC said that there was ‘a very good case’ for substituting the predictive test with the Scottish CCRC’s test which allows its commission to refer where they conclude that ‘a miscarriage of justice may have occurred’. However, he added that there was ‘an inescapable logic’ about the ‘real possibility’ test because the Court of Appeal was ‘ultimately going to be the body which has to determine whether or not the conviction is safe’. The QC went on to call the relationship between the Court of Appeal and the commission ‘quite poisonous in the last five years or so’.
“As the session drew to a close, Henry Blaxland QC asked if he could add one more parting shot. He said: ‘Eddie Gilfoyle. That’s all I need to say. The failure to refer Eddie Gilfoyle’s case is astounding.’
https://www.thejusticegap.com/oliver-campbell/
Son's bid to clear dead dad of 'Lady in the Lake murder' heard at Court of Appeal 5th Nov 2019
Excerpt:
”CCRC lawyers told the court on Tuesday that failures by prosecution lawyers to share evidence with the defence at Park's 2005 trial casts doubt on the safety of his conviction.
Henry Blaxland QC said the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) did not disclose evidence about a key witness who claimed the teacher confessed to his wife's murder in prison, which would have undermined his credibility.
He said the CPS also failed to share the opinion of an expert who believed it was unlikely Mrs Park's injuries were caused by her husband's climbing axe - which prosecutors at trial suggested was the murder weapon.
Mr Blaxland said there is also fresh evidence from dental experts that the axe was not used in Mrs Park's murder.
He said: "May I make it plain that it is our submission that, however one looks at it, the material that is now available should lead this court to come to the conclusion that this conviction is not safe.
This is a case, a circumstantial case, where it is very difficult to tell exactly what it was that influenced the jury in their decision."
Lawyers will also present new scientific evidence which they say shows Park was not a contributor to DNA found on knots of rope used to bind Mrs Park's body, and argue that expert evidence which ruled out a link between a rock used to weigh the body and rocks at the family home has "renewed relevance".
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/sons-bid-clear-dead-dad-20815337
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A newish informative video on the appeal...
https://www.itv.com/news/granada/2019-11-05/conviction-for-so-called-lady-in-the-lake-murderer-unsafe-court-hears/ (https://www.itv.com/news/granada/2019-11-05/conviction-for-so-called-lady-in-the-lake-murderer-unsafe-court-hears/)
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Wow! Two hours and thirty minutes of streamed Court of Appeal submissions, if you've got the time and patience...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQpjPoU1pH8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQpjPoU1pH8)
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Wow! Two hours and thirty minutes of streamed Court of Appeal submissions, if you've got the time and patience...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQpjPoU1pH8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQpjPoU1pH8)
Well, I watched some of it!!
Thanks for the links, Myster and Nicholas.
Will be interesting to see what happens-------------
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It's been a month to the day since the Hearing and still no decision! Are the learned judges still up on Lake Coniston scuba-diving for some blue stones from Bluestones?
They only had three grounds to consider, the fourth regarding presence or absence of Gordon Park's DNA on the rope used to bind his wife's body having fallen away and abandoned, as the barristers put it.
What puzzles me is how all this 1970s clothing and footwear allegedly belonging to Carol Park managed to stay submerged for twenty-one years and didn't float away to be discovered on the lake shore around the time she disappeared. There was no mention of them being packaged and trussed up like Carol's body, just the odd item weighed down by a stone / slate thought to have originated from a garden wall at Bluestones.
From the Hearing, an inventory of items found near the body's location, dated from the early to mid 1970s by clothing / costume expert Pauline Rushton:
1 blouse
3 pairs of knickers
1 pair of home-made trousers
1 acrylic tank top
1 bikini top
1 mini dress
1 skirt
1 bra
1 brown leather glove
11 items of footwear
1 pendant necklace
1 long necklace
6 other necklaces
1 bangle
1 pair of beads
Other jewellery
Cosmetics
And yet we are led to believe that Carol left behind her purse (presumably with any money, credit card? or debit card? that it contained), her handbag, wedding ring and engagement ring.
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Back in the day I very much hoped parky was a miscarriage of justice, but the facts were presented to the jury that the rocks the body was anchored with were the same as the ones found on their family home - and weren't particularly common.
I hope i'm wrong it but I don't think his conviction was unsafe.
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CCRC
@ccrcupdate
The Court of Appeal's judgment in @ccrcupdate murder case of Gordon Park is expected to be handed down tomorrow, 1st May, at 9.45 in court 5 of the Old Bailey. The hearing was in November 2019. Here is
@ccrcupdate referral press release from October 2018. http://ccrc.gov.uk/commission-refers-the-murder-conviction-of-gordon-park/
https://mobile.twitter.com/ccrcupdate/status/1255870210948685831
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CCRC
@ccrcupdate
The Court of Appeal's judgment in @ccrcupdate murder case of Gordon Park is expected to be handed down tomorrow, 1st May, at 9.45 in court 5 of the Old Bailey. The hearing was in November 2019. Here is
@ccrcupdate referral press release from October 2018. http://ccrc.gov.uk/commission-refers-the-murder-conviction-of-gordon-park/ (http://ccrc.gov.uk/commission-refers-the-murder-conviction-of-gordon-park/)
https://mobile.twitter.com/ccrcupdate/status/1255870210948685831 (https://mobile.twitter.com/ccrcupdate/status/1255870210948685831)
Hopefully it should be broadcast live, as was the original hearing...
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCF3HqeLrCkZgARQfyqj1m-g/videos (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCF3HqeLrCkZgARQfyqj1m-g/videos)
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Hopefully it should be broadcast live, as was the original hearing...
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCF3HqeLrCkZgARQfyqj1m-g/videos (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCF3HqeLrCkZgARQfyqj1m-g/videos)
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Ruling due in posthumous 'Lady in the Lake' murder conviction appeal
“The Court of Appeal will give its ruling on a posthumous challenge against a school teacher's conviction for the so-called "lady in the lake" murder of his wife.
Gordon Park was found guilty of murdering his wife Carol, whose body was found in Coniston Water in the Lake District 21 years after her disappearance in 1976.
Park, who always maintained his innocence, hanged himself in his prison cell on his 66th birthday in January 2010 while serving a life sentence.
A posthumous appeal brought on his behalf by his son, Jeremy Park, was referred to the court by the Criminal Cases Review Commission (CCRC) which investigates possible miscarriages of justice.
CCRC lawyers told a hearing in November last year that failures by prosecution lawyers to share evidence with the defence at Park's 2005 trial casts doubt on the safety of his conviction.
Dame Victoria Sharp, Mr Justice Sweeney and Mrs Justice May will deliver their ruling at 9.45am on Friday.
At the November hearing, Henry Blaxland QC, for the CCRC, said the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) did not disclose evidence about a key witness who claimed the teacher confessed to his wife's murder in prison, which would have undermined his credibility.
He said the CPS also failed to share the opinion of an expert who believed it was unlikely Mrs Park's injuries were caused by her husband's climbing axe, which prosecutors at trial suggested was the murder weapon.
Mr Blaxland said there is also fresh evidence from dental experts that the axe was not used in Mrs Park's murder.
The barrister also said the latest information lends new relevance to expert geological evidence given at an earlier appeal, which discredited a link between a rock found near the body and Bluestones, the family home.
CPS lawyers argued there was "compelling" evidence against Park and his conviction is therefore safe
Mrs Park, also a teacher, went missing in Leece, near Barrow-in-Furness, Cumbria, in July 1976 and Park claimed she had gone to live with another man.
But the mother-of-three's body was found by amateur divers in Coniston Water in 1997.
Park was arrested and charged with her murder, and spent two weeks in prison on remand, but the case against him was dropped in 1998 on the grounds there was not enough evidence available to prosecute.
Detectives later uncovered fresh forensic and geological evidence said to link him to the murder and he was found guilty at Manchester Crown Court in 2005, bringing to an end one of Britain's most notorious unsolved murder investigations.
A challenge by Park against his conviction was rejected by the Court of Appeal in 2008.
Following his death at HMP Garth in Lancashire, his family continued to campaign for his conviction to be overturned and applied to the CCRC.
https://www.itv.com/news/granada/2020-05-01/ruling-due-in-posthumous-lady-in-the-lake-murder-conviction-appeal/
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Upheld
https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-england-cumbria-52499437#click=https://t.co/8JNhMVZIUx
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Upheld
https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-england-cumbria-52499437#click=https://t.co/8JNhMVZIUx (https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-england-cumbria-52499437#click=https://t.co/8JNhMVZIUx)
Yup... https://twitter.com/DannyShawBBC/status/1256150506218631170 (https://twitter.com/DannyShawBBC/status/1256150506218631170)
Wonder if the 81 page judgement will be published online?
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Yup... https://twitter.com/DannyShawBBC/status/1256150506218631170 (https://twitter.com/DannyShawBBC/status/1256150506218631170)
Wonder if the 81 page judgement will be published online?
“The appeal judges said there was a “mass of circumstantial evidence” against Park, as well as alleged confessions. Its judgment runs to 81 pages and will almost certainly be the last word on this case.
*&^^&
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Yup... https://twitter.com/DannyShawBBC/status/1256150506218631170 (https://twitter.com/DannyShawBBC/status/1256150506218631170)
Wonder if the 81 page judgement will be published online?
Here https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/r-v-park-judgment-010520.pdf
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Here https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/r-v-park-judgment-010520.pdf (https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/r-v-park-judgment-010520.pdf)
Excellent! Thank you.
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Excellent! Thank you.
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“A statement issued on behalf of Park’s family said: “The family, friends and supporters of Gordon Park, and Carol Park’s children, are disappointed with today’s decision.
“Having exhausted all options, we are now left without the closure we were all hoping for. The judgment marks the end of our fight to clear his name.”
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/may/01/appeal-court-upholds-gordon-park-lady-in-the-lake-conviction
Who made this statement?
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Excerpts from an article by Jon Robins for the justice gap headed: “Government assurances sought over claims of political interference at miscarriage of justice watchdog” 4th September 2019
https://www.thejusticegap.com/oliver-campbell/
Henry Blaxland QC
”The QC went on to call the relationship between the Court of Appeal and the commission ‘quite poisonous in the last five years or so’.
Could it be because the Court of Appeal have cottoned on to innocence fraud?
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Empowering the Innocent (ETI)
@EmpowerInnocent
Gordon Park appeal fails. What is the point of the @ccrcupdate (the so called “miscarriage of justice watchdog”) when the Court of Appeal can simply dismiss cases that it believes to be miscarriages of justice? What kind of watchdog is it?
12:36 PM · May 1, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
Michelle Diskin Bates
@Michelle_Diskin
Replying to
@EmpowerInnocent
and
@ccrcupdate
This really makes no sense. There is nothing to prove he did anything. It seems to be just not wanting to quash anything.
https://mobile.twitter.com/EmpowerInnocent/status/1256185711801368576
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APPEAL
@C4CrimAppeals
A shame. Great work done by the CCRC to uncover fresh evidence in this case.
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CCRC
@ccrcupdate
6h
Court of Appeal upholds the murder conviction in the @ccrcupdate referred case of Gordon Park.
https://twitter.com/DannyShawBBC/status/1256150506218631170?s=19…
2:57 PM · May 1, 2020·Twitter Web App
https://mobile.twitter.com/C4CrimAppeals/status/1256221169822453761
Clearly not
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APPEAL
@C4CrimAppeals
A shame. Great work done by the CCRC to uncover fresh evidence in this case.
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CCRC
@ccrcupdate
6h
Court of Appeal upholds the murder conviction in the @ccrcupdate referred case of Gordon Park.
https://twitter.com/DannyShawBBC/status/1256150506218631170?s=19…
2:57 PM · May 1, 2020·Twitter Web App
https://mobile.twitter.com/C4CrimAppeals/status/1256221169822453761
Clearly not
How much has it cost the CCRC in relation to the Gordon Park case to date I wonder?
“The Criminal Cases Review Commission has referred Gordon Park’s murder conviction to the Court of Appeal.
Gordon Park was convicted in January 2005 at Manchester Crown Court for the murder of his wife, Carol Park, 29 years after she went missing in the summer of 1976. He was sentenced to life imprisonment.
Carol Park’s body was found by amateur divers in Coniston Water, Cumbria, in 1997 and the case became known as the Lady in the Lake murder. (See below for a detailed chronology of the case).
Mr Park appealed against his conviction but the appeal was dismissed in November 2008. Little over a year later, on 25 January 2010, he committed suicide in his cell at HMP Garth in Lancashire. In November 2010 members of Mr Park’s family applied on his behalf to the CCRC.
Following an exhaustive investigation, the CCRC has decided to refer Mr Park’s murder conviction for a fresh hearing at the Court of Appeal.
The Commission is referring the case because it considers there is a real possibility that the Court will quash the conviction in light of new evidence. In the Commission’s view that real possibility arises from the cumulative effect of a number of matters including:
* the non-disclosure of expert opinion undermining the consistent implication by the prosecution that Gordon Park’s climbing axe, Exhibit 1 at trial, could be the murder weapon.
* the non-disclosure of information undermining the reliability of a prosecution witness who gave evidence of a prison confession.
* new scientific evidence showing that Gordon Park was not a contributor to DNA preserved within knots of the rope used to bind Carol Park’s body.
* renewed relevance of expert evidence, presented for the appellant at the first appeal, that a rock found in the lake near Mrs Park’s remains could not specifically be linked to rocks at Bluestones (the Parks’ home).
The Commission’s painstaking and detailed review has considered numerous issues and lines of enquiry and involved several visits to Cumbria, interviews with multiple witnesses old and new, the use of cutting edge DNA testing and the investigation of multiple potential alternative suspects.
During the review we have used our section 17[1] powers dozens of times to obtain material from the Forensic Archive, seven individual police forces, the courts, the Crown Prosecution Service, prison authorities, the Probation Service, and a number of other government agencies and public bodies.
Chronology of the case
Carol Park went missing in the summer of 1976 having been last seen in mid-July.
In August 1997 human remains were found by amateur scuba divers in Coniston Water, Cumbria. The remains were found at a depth of 24 metres, about 200 metres from eastern shore of the lake; they were tightly wrapped in bags and bound with knotted ropes. The body was later confirmed as that of Carol Park.
Gordon Park was arrested following the discovery of the body and was charged with Carol Park’s murder. The prosecution was discontinued in January 1998 on the basis that there was no realistic prospect of a conviction on the evidence then available.
New evidence came to light following the broadcast in September 2000 of a TV documentary called ‘A Very British Murder[2].
Mr Park was arrested on 13 January 2004 and again charged with murdering Carol Park “on or about” Saturday 17 July 1976.
Media coverage of his arrest generated new information which was used in the case against Mr Park.
His trial at Manchester Crown Court began on 25 November 2004 and the jury heard evidence over 27 days. At 3.45pm on Friday 28 January 2005, after deliberating for nine hours and twenty-seven minutes, the jury, by a unanimous verdict, found Gordon Park ‘guilty’ of Carol Park’s murder.
He was sentenced to life imprisonment with a recommended minimum prison term of 15 years.
Gordon Park’s appeal against conviction was dismissed at the Court of Appeal in November 2008.
On 25 January 2010, on his sixty-sixth birthday, Gordon Park took his own life in his cell at HMP Garth in Lancashire.
Members of Mr Park’s family, aided by his legal representatives, applied to the Commission for a posthumous review of his conviction on November 2010.
Mr Park’s family were represented in their application to the CCRC by Mr Maslen Merchant of Hadgkiss, Hughes & Beale Solicitors.
https://ccrc.gov.uk/commission-refers-the-murder-conviction-of-gordon-park/
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“Members of Mr Park’s family, aided by his legal representatives, applied to the Commission for a posthumous review of his conviction on November 2010.
Mr Park’s family were represented in their application to the CCRC by Mr Maslen Merchant of Hadgkiss, Hughes & Beale Solicitors.
Interesting how the CCRC have stated ‘members of Mr Parks family’ & ‘Mr Park’s family’ as opposed to his son Jeremy?
“The posthumous appeal brought by Jeremy Park
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/may/01/appeal-court-upholds-gordon-park-lady-in-the-lake-conviction
“The son of a retired teacher jailed for the notorious 'Lady in the Lake' murder has today lost his appeal to clear his father's name
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8277285/Son-Lady-Lake-killer-loses-appeal-against-fathers-conviction-murdering-wife.html
”The case, brought by his son, Jeremy Park”
https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-england-cumbria-52499437
The Telegraph reported in 2004 here https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1477626/Son-of-Lady-in-the-Lake-tells-court-of-the-last-day-he-saw-her.html
how Jeremy Park gave evidence at his fathers trial.
“Giving evidence 28 years after her disappearance in the summer of 1976, Jeremy Park, now 34, said he could still recall the sense of rejection at their last meeting.
‘I remember trying to persuade her to come to Blackpool, me and Vanessa I think. I can remember she wasn’t very keen but didn’t really give a reason. I felt rejected at that point. I asked her in the way a six-year-old would. In my mind it’s just a snap memory. I remember it was sunny and warm. I wanted her to come and she said she wasn’t coming.’
He added,
‘’Everybody was there. My mum was in the bed, on the side nearest the door. She was lying down. She just looked a bit down. She’d gone into herself a little. She was pensive. She decided she wasn’t going.
The article goes on to report,
“Mr Park said he remembered that his mother had previously left home to live with a man he knew as Dave. He had been driven “a long distance” to see her at his home. It seemed she had been been away “for about a year” because he remembered “the passing of seasons”
His mother had been “a fun loving person” who liked the company of adults. “She wasn’t particularly affectionate towards her children, but she played the role of mother.”
Following his mothers disappearance, his father brought the children up on his own. “He was a big softie, really, full of fun and affectionate.” Mr Park told Andrew Edis QC defending, at Manchester Crown Court. “He was like a mum and dad rolled into one.”
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Interesting how the CCRC have stated ‘members of Mr Parks family’ & ‘Mr Park’s family’ as opposed to his son Jeremy?
I find the above disingenuous on the part of the CCRC especially given the facts of the Park family dynamics
https://www.thewestmorlandgazette.co.uk/news/567113.lady-in-the-lake-tragedy-for-children/
In 2018 it was reported,
“Son Jeremy and daughter Rachel — along with Park’s third wife Jennie — remain convinced that their dad is innocent of the 1976 murder.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7215393/dna-test-lady-lake-carol-park/
2005
“The couple's three children all gave evidence during the 10-week trial.
By an awful coincidence, Carol's sister, Christine, had been murdered by her jealous boyfriend 35 years ago. The Parks adopted her daughter Vanessa, when she was 18 months old. She gave evidence for the prosecution and has been ostracised by her family. https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/jan/29/ukcrime.helencarter
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I find the above disingenuous on the part of the CCRC especially given the facts of the Park family dynamics
https://www.thewestmorlandgazette.co.uk/news/567113.lady-in-the-lake-tragedy-for-children/
In 2018 it was reported,
“Son Jeremy and daughter Rachel — along with Park’s third wife Jennie — remain convinced that their dad is innocent of the 1976 murder.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7215393/dna-test-lady-lake-carol-park/
2005
“The couple's three children all gave evidence during the 10-week trial.
By an awful coincidence, Carol's sister, Christine, had been murdered by her jealous boyfriend 35 years ago. The Parks adopted her daughter Vanessa, when she was 18 months old. She gave evidence for the prosecution and has been ostracised by her family. https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/jan/29/ukcrime.helencarter
‘Ostracised’ because she wasn’t taken in by Gordon Parks deception ?
Here https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/r-v-park-judgment-010520.pdf
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“The posthumous appeal brought by Jeremy Park
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/may/01/appeal-court-upholds-gordon-park-lady-in-the-lake-conviction
“The son of a retired teacher jailed for the notorious 'Lady in the Lake' murder has today lost his appeal to clear his father's name
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8277285/Son-Lady-Lake-killer-loses-appeal-against-fathers-conviction-murdering-wife.html
”The case, brought by his son, Jeremy Park”
https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-england-cumbria-52499437
Why is there no mention of Gordon Parks ’daughter Rachel — along with Park’s third wife Jennie’ ?
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Here https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/r-v-park-judgment-010520.pdf
Elizabeth Yeld
@lizyeld
6h
Replying to
@hanksoff03
and
@easyjail
Jon Robins' account of this makes his innocence sound so clear. It's hard to understand how there is such an iron door against recognising mistakes from the past. I wonder if this does preserve public confidence in the justice system or if in fact it does the opposite?
https://mobile.twitter.com/hanksoff03/status/1256320439296552960
No idea what’s shes referring to; maybe this https://www.thejusticegap.com/appeal-judges-review-lady-in-the-lake-murder/ ?
Maybe she means Bob Woffinden https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1246355/Lady-Lake-killer-innocent-real-murderer-large-says-investigative-journalist.html ?
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“A statement issued on behalf of Park’s family said: “The family, friends and supporters of Gordon Park, and Carol Park’s children, are disappointed with today’s decision.
“Having exhausted all options, we are now left without the closure we were all hoping for. The judgment marks the end of our fight to clear his name.”
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/may/01/appeal-court-upholds-gordon-park-lady-in-the-lake-conviction
Who made this statement?
“Other relatives of Carol Park said the ruling was a "very welcome decision".
In a statement issued by Cumbria Police, Claire Gardner and Kay Washford, nieces of Mrs Park, said:
"In January 2005, justice was served following a three-month trial with the jury reaching a majority verdict of guilty and Gordon Park was sentenced to life imprisonment.
"Our Auntie Carol had suffered a tragic death and we were relieved that she could now rest in peace and our family could move forward and remember her with the love and dignity she deserved.
"In the years following Gordon Park's conviction we have still had to endure the pain of reliving this nightmare in the times when it has been sought to have his conviction overturned.
"However, today is closure for us and we are relieved that this is the last appeal that can be sought and we can now live our lives remembering our auntie as the beautiful auntie she was."
https://www.klfm967.co.uk/news/uk-news/3094473/lady-in-the-lake-appeal-court-upholds-murder-conviction-for-gordon-park/
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Elizabeth Yeld
@lizyeld
6h
Replying to
@hanksoff03
and
@easyjail
Jon Robins' account of this makes his innocence sound so clear. It's hard to understand how there is such an iron door against recognising mistakes from the past. I wonder if this does preserve public confidence in the justice system or if in fact it does the opposite?
https://mobile.twitter.com/hanksoff03/status/1256320439296552960
Hanksoff03 Retweeted
Hanksoff03
@hanksoff03
17h
Can and would the CCRC go back and challenge this decision?...they clearly felt there was enough to overturn?
https://mobile.twitter.com/hanksoff03/status/1256320439296552960
Hanksoff03
@hanksoff03
An `iron door up against recognising mistakes...` is a very good way of describing this system...it`s utterly heartbreaking that people in such powerful places,who can help so much,don`t want2at least look into+discuss the accounts of 4e.g JonRobins,SandraLean,BobWoffinden et al
https://mobile.twitter.com/hanksoff03/status/1256518518041968640
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Court of Appeal upholds the murder conviction in the @ccrcupdate referred case of Gordon Park.
https://twitter.com/DannyShawBBC/status/1256150506218631170?s=19…
2:57 PM · May 1, 2020·Twitter Web App
https://mobile.twitter.com/C4CrimAppeals/status/1256221169822453761
Clearly not
Carolyn Hoyle claimed her research into the CCRC was ‘thorough’
Last year Professor Carolyn Hoyle stated, re the Criminal Cases Review Commission,
https://ox.cloud.panopto.eu/Panopto/Pages/Embed.aspx?id=69d464e5-e28a-4400-b964-a9dd01201ea0
If it were thorough she would have picked up on innocence fraud but it wasn’t part of her remit apparently
What were the names of the case workers at the CCRC who worked on the Gordon Park case ?
Why did it take 10 years to review the case?
Why did they refer on the confessional evidence ?
What happened to the alleged DNA - that fell away?
The CCRC are clearly not fit for purpose
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Video here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NPKXxy9mtmY includes footage of both Gordon and his son Jeremy Park
In 2006 Jeremy Park stated,
’We don’t trust the police I think it’s fair to say but in terms of what’s important um I just want to know who killed my mum and I’d like my dad to come out of prison”
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Video here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NPKXxy9mtmY includes footage of both Gordon and his son Jeremy Park
In 2006 Jeremy Park stated,
’We don’t trust the police I think it’s fair to say but in terms of what’s important um I just want to know who killed my mum and I’d like my dad to come out of prison”
Think Jeremy Park knows deep down who killed his mum
Watched the video a couple of times and something appears off ?
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Think Jeremy Park knows deep down who killed his mum
Watched the video a couple of times and something appears off ?
In what way?... when his son mentions that he doesn't trust the police?
I might have posted this vid up before, but nevertheless worth another watch for anyone interested. Click on the loudspeaker for sound...
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3lq75e (https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3lq75e)
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Think Jeremy Park knows deep down who killed his mum
Watched the video a couple of times and something appears off ?
I wonder how well the Park children remember their mum?
I wonder how well they remember how good/bad the relationship between their mum and dad was?
I suspect they were too young to remember much about the circumstances surrounding Carol's disappearance.
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I wonder how well the Park children remember their mum?
I wonder how well they remember how good/bad the relationship between their mum and dad was?
I suspect they were too young to remember much about the circumstances surrounding Carol's disappearance.
Or whether Gordon Park and the children actually went to Blackpool on the day Carol disappeared!
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In what way?... when his son mentions that he doesn't trust the police?
I might have posted this vid up before, but nevertheless worth another watch for anyone interested. Click on the loudspeaker for sound...
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3lq75e (https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3lq75e)
No it wasn’t JP’s comment about the police
Re the vid you’ve posted - didn’t count how many times CP left GP but it’s the cycle of an abusive relationship again
‘Society normalizes unhealthy behavior so people may not understand that their relationship is abusive’
‘It’s dangerous to leave. Like, VERY dangerous.’
https://www.joinonelove.org/learn/why_leaving_abuse_is_hard/
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Or whether Gordon Park and the children actually went to Blackpool on the day Carol disappeared!
Absolutely!
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https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2e8ihv (https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2e8ihv)
Missing for six week's before being reported as such and no one missed her!
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I find the above disingenuous on the part of the CCRC especially given the facts of the Park family dynamics
https://www.thewestmorlandgazette.co.uk/news/567113.lady-in-the-lake-tragedy-for-children/
In 2018 it was reported,
“Son Jeremy and daughter Rachel — along with Park’s third wife Jennie — remain convinced that their dad is innocent of the 1976 murder.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7215393/dna-test-lady-lake-carol-park/
2005
“The couple's three children all gave evidence during the 10-week trial.
By an awful coincidence, Carol's sister, Christine, had been murdered by her jealous boyfriend 35 years ago. The Parks adopted her daughter Vanessa, when she was 18 months old. She gave evidence for the prosecution and has been ostracised by her family. https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/jan/29/ukcrime.helencarter
This is disingenuous also https://www.thejusticegap.com/no-closure-for-family-of-gordon-park-as-appeal-court-dismissed-lady-in-the-lake-case/
‘Gordon Park’s family are represented by Maslen Merchant of Hadgkiss, Hughes & Beale Solicitors. A statement issued on behalf of Park’s family said:
‘The family, friends and supporters of Gordon Park, and Carol Park’s children, are disappointed with today’s decision. Having exhausted all options, we are now left without the closure we were all hoping for. The judgment marks the end of our fight to clear his name.’
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This is disingenuous also https://www.thejusticegap.com/no-closure-for-family-of-gordon-park-as-appeal-court-dismissed-lady-in-the-lake-case/
‘Gordon Park’s family are represented by Maslen Merchant of Hadgkiss, Hughes & Beale Solicitors. A statement issued on behalf of Park’s family said:
‘The family, friends and supporters of Gordon Park, and Carol Park’s children, are disappointed with today’s decision. Having exhausted all options, we are now left without the closure we were all hoping for. The judgment marks the end of our fight to clear his name.’
Maslen Merchant is representing mass murderer and child killer David Morris and there has been mention convicted killer Michelle Nicholson has also sought his services
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Interestingly wiki refers to ‘No Smoke’ by Sandra Lean but there appears to be no mention of Douglas Richard Binstead’s book ‘A Very Cumbrian Murder: The Tragic Story of the Lady in the Lake’ on the case
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_in_the_Lake_trial
Sandra Lean claimed in October 2019 she had withdrawn her book ‘No Smoke’ but it appears this may not have been the case
‘I've contacted the publisher today to ask for the book to be withdrawn’
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9986.msg456199.html#msg456199
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Interestingly wiki refers to ‘No Smoke’ by Sandra Lean but there appears to be no mention of Douglas Richard Binstead’s book ‘A Very Cumbrian Murder: The Tragic Story of the Lady in the Lake’ on the case
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_in_the_Lake_trial
At reference 50 in the wiki link above it states,
‘Dick, Sandra (2007-05-09). "Claiming killer innocent part of search for truth". Edinburgh Evening News. Retrieved 2007-07-02’
Interestingly clicking on the link leads to ‘truthinjustice.org’ coming soon page
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At reference 50 in the wiki link above it states,
‘Dick, Sandra (2007-05-09). "Claiming killer innocent part of search for truth". Edinburgh Evening News. Retrieved 2007-07-02’
Interestingly clicking on the link leads to ‘truthinjustice.org’ coming soon page
And does anyone know who edited the wiki pages?
I noticed someone asked Sandra Lean’s daughter about this around a year ago on her YouTube channel