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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: Brietta on May 22, 2023, 12:38:36 PM
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Police looking for Madeleine McCann’s body are about to begin a major search of a remote Algarve reservoir suspect Christian Brueckner used to visit.
Officers are expected to start closing off roads leading to the man-made dam near the town of Silves ahead of the official start of the search tomorrow.
Scotland Yard detectives are understood to have travelled to the area but only with a ‘watching brief.’
German police will be leading the search as investigators believe Brueckner, 45, killed Madeleine after abducting her from a holiday apartment.
https://observador.pt/2023/05/22/caso-maddie-mccann-pj-faz-novas-buscas-na-barragem-do-arade-a-50-quilometros-da-praia-da-luz/
https://metro.co.uk/2023/05/22/police-investigating-madeleine-mccann-case-to-begin-search-of-reservoir-18823376/
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Police looking for Madeleine McCann’s body are about to begin a major search of a remote Algarve reservoir suspect Christian Brueckner used to visit.
Officers are expected to start closing off roads leading to the man-made dam near the town of Silves ahead of the official start of the search tomorrow.
Scotland Yard detectives are understood to have travelled to the area but only with a ‘watching brief.’
German police will be leading the search as investigators believe Brueckner, 45, killed Madeleine after abducting her from a holiday apartment.
https://observador.pt/2023/05/22/caso-maddie-mccann-pj-faz-novas-buscas-na-barragem-do-arade-a-50-quilometros-da-praia-da-luz/
https://metro.co.uk/2023/05/22/police-investigating-madeleine-mccann-case-to-begin-search-of-reservoir-18823376/
This reservoir was named years ago as a likely body disposal site - was it not searched then by the PJ?
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Police looking for Madeleine McCann’s body are about to begin a major search of a remote Algarve reservoir suspect Christian Brueckner used to visit.
Officers are expected to start closing off roads leading to the man-made dam near the town of Silves ahead of the official start of the search tomorrow.
Scotland Yard detectives are understood to have travelled to the area but only with a ‘watching brief.’
German police will be leading the search as investigators believe Brueckner, 45, killed Madeleine after abducting her from a holiday apartment.
https://observador.pt/2023/05/22/caso-maddie-mccann-pj-faz-novas-buscas-na-barragem-do-arade-a-50-quilometros-da-praia-da-luz/
https://metro.co.uk/2023/05/22/police-investigating-madeleine-mccann-case-to-begin-search-of-reservoir-18823376/
Already seems to have been mocked on talk tv by Kevin O'Sullivan.
Even mentioned the German evidence as I will believe it when I see it.
Seems to me anyway ....the case is left wide open to who is responsable.
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Already seems to have been mocked on talk tv by Kevin O'Sullivan.
Even mentioned the German evidence as I will believe it when I see it.
Seems to me anyway ....the case is left wide open to who is responsable.
Who is Kevin Sullivan
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Who is Kevin Sullivan
Kevin O'Sullivan ....a factual presenter on talk tv.
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Who is Kevin Sullivan
Some know it all journalist and TV presenter I expect
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Kevin O'Sullivan ....a factual presenter on talk tv.
Perhaps you could supply a link to him....he isn't in possession of all the facts in this case...so can't be factual..
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Perhaps you could supply a link to him....he isn't in possession of all the facts in this case...so can't be factual..
A TV station where they say it as it is. on any subject without fake news.
you can see what he said on Catch up the last 10 minutes.
It just struck me as odd ..daring shall I say to have a negative opinion on the search and jerman suspect.
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https://observador.pt/2023/05/22/caso-maddie-mccann-pj-faz-novas-buscas-na-barragem-do-arade-a-50-quilometros-da-praia-da-luz/
https://metro.co.uk/2023/05/22/police-investigating-madeleine-mccann-case-to-begin-search-of-reservoir-18823376/
"The search is set to last for at least two days and beyond that if anything of relevance is found."
Two whole days to search an entire reservoir?! Doesn't say much for their intel.
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A TV station where they say it as it is. on any subject without fake news.
you can see what he said on Catch up the last 10 minutes.
It just struck me as odd ..daring shall I say to have a negative opinion on the search and jerman suspect.
You need to understand he's giving his opinion...not facts.
The news shows the German investigation is not stalled
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You need to understand he's giving his opinion...not facts.
The news shows the German investigation is not stalled
Yes, they're just taking almighty stabs in the dark now.
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I mean, they've tried searching Brueckner's homes, abandoned factories, vehicles & places of work. Nothing of note found there. One last roll of the dice by having a quick sweep of a reservoir he visited a couple of times.
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Already seems to have been mocked on talk tv by Kevin O'Sullivan.
Even mentioned the German evidence as I will believe it when I see it.
Seems to me anyway ....the case is left wide open to who is responsable.
That's mature of him.
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This reservoir was named years ago as a likely body disposal site - was it not searched then by the PJ?
Not by Peter Faulding and his towfish though. Where is he when you need him!
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That's mature of him.
I know, finally, someone man enough to actually insinuate it seems it's all a farce....on a public forum with massive viewing figures.
Im sure you will have seen Talk TV
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"The search is set to last for at least two days and beyond that if anything of relevance is found."
Two whole days to search an entire reservoir?! Doesn't say much for their intel.
There's talk of them digging in the surrounding woods as well, so can't see them getting very far in a couple of days - unless they have a map with X marking the spot to search.
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I know, finally, someone man enough to actually insinuate it seems it's all a farce....on a public forum with massive viewing figures.
Im sure you will have seen Talk TV
LOL, no I don't watch Talk TV I'm afraid - nearly all my least favourite people are regular presenters on there which might explain its "massive" viewing figures @)(++(*
"In July 2022, the channel has the lowest viewership compared to similar news and opinion-based news shows".[42]
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I know, finally, someone man enough to actually insinuate it seems it's all a farce....on a public forum with massive viewing figures.
Im sure you will have seen Talk TV
I've just watched a little... doesn't seem too bright and has an opinion from a position of ignorance.
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This reservoir was named years ago as a likely body disposal site - was it not searched then by the PJ?
The lawyer Marcos Aragao Correia acting on information from the underworld privately paid for a search in 2008.
One wonders if his source spoke to the German investigators several years down the line.
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Not by Peter Faulding and his towfish though. Where is he when you need him!
The police didn't do much better. They only had to search a small stretch of river & still managed to miss the dead body in the reeds until a member of public pointed right at it.
Yes, I’m quite confident Wolters can find Maddie's body within a sodding great reservoir in the space of just two days & after 16 years.
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I know, finally, someone man enough to actually insinuate it seems it's all a farce....on a public forum with massive viewing figures.
Im sure you will have seen Talk TV
I've watched all 60 seconds of it...not sure what you are getting so excited about. I agree with him that we should manage our expectations...but it's a positive move
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I've watched all 60 seconds of it...not sure what you are getting so excited about. I agree with him that we should manage our expectations...but it's a positive move
Well, at least you watched it D....Why would you think I'm getting excited... wasn't me who brought it here.
I would have thought it best to leave till the search had been done.
Instead of turning it into a farce before it has even started.
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There's talk of them digging in the surrounding woods as well, so can't see them getting very far in a couple of days - unless they have a map with X marking the spot to search.
It tells us two things doesn't it, the two day allocation. Either they are supremely confident of where she is, or they haven't really a clue.
In two days time we'll find out it's the second answer.
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Even if they find a body, which I think improbable given the time scale, will it provide any useful information regarding the person who dumped it there?
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Even if they find a body, which I think improbable given the time scale, will it provide any useful information regarding the person who dumped it there?
What his name Parks. Wrapped his wife in carpet & weighted it down with distinctive rocks from his garden wall.
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Well, at least you watched it D....Why would you think I'm getting excited... wasn't me who brought it here.
I would have thought it best to leave till the search had been done.
Instead of turning it into a farce before it has even started.
I don't see any farce......it's just your imagination
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What his name Parks. Wrapped his wife in carpet & weighted it down with distinctive rocks from his garden wall.
Remember him from schooldays. He wasn't very bright then.
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Even if they find a body, which I think improbable given the time scale, will it provide any useful information regarding the person who dumped it there?
I think it would mean that you could finally put your mind at rest that you were barking up the wrong tree wrt to the McCanns don't you?
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If they think that they have a chance of finding the body it would explain why they are in no rush to charge him
A job for cadaver dogs in the surrounding woodland
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Remember him from schooldays. He wasn't very bright then.
That was only a rough synopsis. I think there's a thread about him here. Can't remember the exact of the case but it's pretty obvious he dunnit. Can't remember if he was tried, acquited, convicted & I can't be bothered to look it up right now. But yeah, that bloke. Something about the knots he tied the body with also. So yes, theoretically some link to the disposer could be established.
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If they think that they have a chance of finding the body it would explain why they are in no rush to charge him
A job for cadaver dogs in the surrounding woodland
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If they think that they have a chance of finding the body it would explain why they are in no rush to charge him
A job for cadaver dogs in the surrounding woodland
Think that's your imagination.....would have to probably find out who the hold all belongs to.
IIRC the mccs wasn't too happy when it was searched before....in case it looked like they were involved ...
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If they think that they have a chance of finding the body it would explain why they are in no rush to charge him
A job for cadaver dogs in the surrounding woodland
Steven Birch with his ground radar, & that bonkers scientist guy with his dead body detector. I forget his name now.....anyone?
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If they think that they have a chance of finding the body it would explain why they are in no rush to charge him
A job for cadaver dogs in the surrounding woodland
People are always telling me that they aren't very reliable, so not much chance there
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Steven Birch with his ground radar, & that bonkers scientist guy with his dead body detector. I forget his name now.....anyone?
Krugel. That's the one.
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People are always telling me that they aren't very reliable, so not much chance there
They might be if there is an actual body.
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They might be if there is an actual body.
Would depend on condition I suppose. Might not be much left after 16 years.
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They might be if there is an actual body.
There's a body of water the dogs can cool off in. That's the only body they'll be finding.
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Think that's your imagination.....would have to probably find out who the hold all belongs to.
IIRC the mccs wasn't too happy when it was searched before....in case it looked like they were involved ...
What nonsense.
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What nonsense.
Exactly because they are not going to find anything.
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Exactly because they are not going to find anything.
That’s the second time you’ve deliberately misunderstood my posts today, how tiresome you are.
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That’s the second time you’ve deliberately misunderstood my posts today, how tiresome you are.
Stop making such tiresome posts then.
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Stop making such tiresome posts then.
so you’re just trolling me now, I see… 8@??)(
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With an attitude like this is it any wonder the Portuguese were unable to solve this case…?
The Portuguese police will carry out a search on Tuesday (23) in a dam where the body of Madeleine McCann , an English girl who was 3 years old when she disappeared, in 2007, during vacation in the country, may be.
The Portuguese police had not done anything to try to investigate the case for years. This operation, in fact, only happens under pressure from German authorities.
A spokesman for the fire department said the search should begin at a dam in the Algarve region, about 50 kilometers away from the resort where Madeleine's family was vacationing when the girl disappeared.
Two tents were erected near the dam this Monday, in the city of Silves.
Despite being preparing for the operation, the Portuguese authorities say, on condition of anonymity, that they have no hope of finding Madeleine's body. A person linked to the investigations in Portugal who asked not to be identified told Reuters that the search will lead to nothing.
https://g1.globo.com/mundo/noticia/2023/05/22/policia-portuguesa-fara-nova-busca-por-corpo-de-madeleine-mccann-a-menina-inglesa-desaparecida-ha-16-anos.ghtml
I wonder who the Portuguese source is who claims to know in advance the search will lead to nothing…? *%87
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I have a question: the reservoir they are searching now.. is it the same reservoir which a solicitor ( forgot his name) was paying to have researched?
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I have a question: the reservoir they are searching now.. is it the same reservoir which a solicitor ( forgot his name) was paying to have researched?
Yes: "In 2008, Portuguese lawyer Marcos Aragao Correia paid for specialist divers to check the waterway after he claimed to have been tipped off by criminal contacts that Madeleine's body was in the reservoir"...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65673674
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As deluded as ever (on this case) and still kissing Amaral's a$$. I hope to god that if Brueckner is ever charged, tried and convicted she will have the humility and good grace to admit she was wrong and doesn't continue churning out the "Oh, he's just a patsy" line...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n85lujYwes4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n85lujYwes4)
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More on the latest search... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMQH8MF2R1o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMQH8MF2R1o)
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As deluded as ever (on this case) and still kissing Amaral's a$$. I hope to god that if Brueckner is ever charged, tried and convicted she will have the humility and good grace to admit she was wrong and doesn't continue churning out the "Oh, he's just a patsy" line...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n85lujYwes4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n85lujYwes4)
She’s not very good on logic is she? I stopped watching after she claimed that if Madeleine’s body was found in the (allegedly) missing sports bag then that would mean the McCanns musta dunnit. Err… no. How is anyone to know that an abductor didn’t take the sports bag at the same time as the child? Plus she might like to suggest how the McCanns dumped the body 30 or 40 miles away when they had no car for the first 3 weeks post abduction. Not very bright is she?
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She’s not very good on logic is she? I stopped watching after she claimed that if Madeleine’s body was found in the (allegedly) missing sports bag then that would mean the McCanns musta dunnit. Err… no. How is anyone to know that an abductor didn’t take the sports bag at the same time as the child? Plus she might like to suggest how the McCanns dumped the body 30 or 40 miles away when they had no car for the first 3 weeks post abduction. Not very bright is she?
And so it begins. How to stick it on The McCann without any Evidence. And if they manage to land it on Brueckner then no doubt The McCanns paid him anyway.
Just saying.
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And so it begins. How to stick it on The McCann without any Evidence. And if they manage to land it on Brueckner then no doubt The McCanns paid him anyway.
Just saying.
either that or it’s a top level international conspiracy to protect the McCanns by pinning it on a poor little innocent rapist / paedo.
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She’s not very good on logic is she? I stopped watching after she claimed that if Madeleine’s body was found in the (allegedly) missing sports bag then that would mean the McCanns musta dunnit. Err… no. How is anyone to know that an abductor didn’t take the sports bag at the same time as the child? Plus she might like to suggest how the McCanns dumped the body 30 or 40 miles away when they had no car for the first 3 weeks post abduction. Not very bright is she?
Never has a cult and its members shown themselves to be so devoid of any sort of saving grace at all, never mind logic.
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Pat brown redoing the rounds again. Got to say the intro to the video is hilarious on YouTube.
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Never has a cult and its members shown themselves to be so devoid of any sort of saving grace at all, never mind logic.
Logic is what kills any case against The McCanns and it always has been. And always will be.
What it is that motivates this cult is still beyond my comprehension, although I have tried to understand. But I have given up on that now. They are never going to win. And they know it. So only their downright nastiness remains. What a legacy to leave in their memory.
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Logic is what kills any case against The McCanns and it always has been. And always will be.
What it is that motivates this cult is still beyond my comprehension, although I have tried to understand. But I have given up on that now. They are never going to win. And they know it. So only their downright nastiness remains. What a legacy to leave in their memory.
Everyone needs a hobby and for some it’s McCann Bashing. I suppose it could be worse. They could be fox hunting, badger baiting or dog fighting instead.
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Everyone needs a hobby and for some it’s McCann Bashing. I suppose it could be worse. They could be fox hunting, badger baiting or dog fighting instead.
Or recreating Ye Olde Village Pump. It's in the genes. It has to be.
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As always Jim Gamble talks alot of sense
German police 'may be on the right track' with reservoir search, ex-Maddie cop claims
Handout of Madeleine McCann
Police have launched a new search for the body of Madeleine McCann N/C
Jack Walters
By Jack Walters
Published: 22/05/2023 - 18:45Updated: 22/05/2023 - 20:26
Jim Gamble also said police could be acting on specific information and appear to have a ‘high level of confidence’
German police investigating Madeleine McCann's disappearance may be on the right track by searching a reservoir in Portugal, a former cop who investigated the then-three year old’s case has claimed.
Jim Gamble, a former senior child protection officer in the McCann case, also revealed divers were previously employed to search the reservoir in 2008.
Gamble told GB News: “What's particularly interesting is that the German police have been absolutely 100 percent focused on this investigation.
“They believe that he is the right person, and they haven't wavered from that.
“Given what I know about the German police and having worked with them in the past, they're generally quite conservative and quite cautious. So there's a high level of confidence with them that they're on the right track.”
In a discussion with Patrick Christys, he said the reservoir was checked twice in 2008 by divers employed by a local lawyer who came away empty-handed.
Mr Gamble said: “What will be interesting to see over the next few days is what they do that's different. I'm sure it'll be a much more thorough search because it's the German police who are leading this facilitated by the Portuguese and that's important. I think they'll do a much more rigorous search.
“I'm hoping that it's based on some information they have which they haven't as yet shared with the wider public so that it's more targeted. And of course, they will have the full range of technical resources available to them to make a search more effective.
“The truth is, I wouldn't pin my hopes on this. I think it's another line of inquiry, but because it's coming from the German police investigation, that makes it extremely interesting but we're going to have to wait and see.”
He added: “If they're just searching the entire area, then I think I'm not hopeful. If they're searching specific areas and with a specific intent and a deliberate focus, then that means they're operating on the back of new information or new intelligence.
“The key issue for me and that people should be aware of is this. He is a prime suspect. He absolutely fits the profile of the type of criminal that would commit this crime.
“We know that opportunity was there, through significant circumstantial evidence that the German police have to hand, and some of that evidence we already had.
“But the key is this. I've also seen investigations where we've become so focused on one offender and spend so much time and so many years and resources chasing that lead that we miss another potential suspect. So I think this is a situation where we need to wait and see what comes out of it.”
Police in Germany said in 2020 that they believed Christian Brueckner kidnapped and murdered Madeleine.
But the lead suspect, who is currently behind bars after raping an American pensioner in 2005, has not yet been charged in the McCann case has not yet been charged
The 45-year-old remains under investigation on suspicion of murder after spending many years in Portugal around the time of the then-three year old’s disappearance.
However, the convicted paedophile may never face a trial over McCann’s disappearance due to a legal technicality over foreign courts’ jurisdiction.
Bruckner has denied any involvement in McCann’s abduction.
No suspects have ever been charged in connection with the case.
https://www.gbnews.com/news/madeleine-mccann-news-german-police-reservoir-search-2660483916
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Could tunnel vision be at play here where the German judicial authorities are concerned?
Remember what happened with Redwood and his search of Praia da Luz. Could this be history repeating itself?
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Searching for the nucleus of an iron atom on the end of a needle in a kilometer square haystack...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbpkHnsV5js (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbpkHnsV5js)
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Quite a revealing interview with Correia and further proof (if it were needed) of PJ incompetence (or worse)
'Only a miracle' will find Madeleine McCann says lawyer who searched same reservoir before
EXCLUSIVE: The lawyer who first suggested the Portuguese police search an Algarve reservoir in connection with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann has said "only a miracle could now find" the British schoolgirl.
Investigator on what may have happened to Maddie McCann
The lawyer who first suggested the Portuguese police search an Algarve reservoir in connection with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann has said “only a miracle could now find her”.
The Barragem do Arade reservoir, located around 30 miles from Praia da Luz where Madeleine went missing 16 years ago, has been sealed off by authorities ahead of a fresh search this morning [Tuesday, May 23].
Shortly after Madeleine disappeared in 2007, Portuguese lawyer Marcos Aragao Correia claimed he had received information from criminal contacts indicating the little girl’s body was in the reservoir.
But, when contacted by Express.co.uk for his response to the latest search, Mr Correia said he held little hope of German police, who are leading the operation, finding anything.
He said: “The clues I received shortly after Madeleine disappeared pointed to her having been kidnapped, raped and murdered and her body thrown into a lake in the Algarve.
READ MORE: New Madeleine McCann searches set to begin in Portugal today
Missing Madeleine McCann
Maddie went missing in Portugal in 2007 (Image: Getty)
“I didn't know at the time which lake it was, but I soon communicated all this data to the Portuguese Judiciary Police, who completely ignored them, and then to Metodo 3, the Spanish private detective agency that was later hired by Madeleine's parents to look for their daughter.
“Metodo 3 did its best to search for Madeleine and discover what had happened to her. It was the only ‘institution’ that listened to me.”
Mr Correia claims other information gathered by the detective agency supported his sources’ versions of events and, through this, he was able to identify Barragem do Arade as the most likely location.
He added: “I, therefore, hired a private company of divers from the Algarve to carry out searches in that lake, however, as we did not have the support of the Portuguese police – although I had requested this – our means were quite limited and the budget I had offered it quickly ran out, so a few days later we were forced to abandon the search.
“However, very suspicious material was found, such as ropes tied with heavy stones, which was handed over to Metodo 3.”
But given the time which has passed, Mr Correia is highly sceptical about the possibility of success this time around. He claimed the accusations levelled against the McCann family during the Portuguese police investigation were just one of the reasons the authorities couldn’t be trusted.
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Could tunnel vision be at play here where the German judicial authorities are concerned?
Remember what happened with Redwood and his search of Praia da Luz. Could this be history repeating itself?
Or could they be acting on a credible tip off which may or may not yield results? Why wouldn’t or shouldn’t they conduct such a search on receipt of new and credible information?
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Pat brown redoing the rounds again. Got to say the intro to the video is hilarious on YouTube.
It is hilarious as she hasn't got a clue what she's talking about. Every time I look at her she looks madder. She says 'it's a headache, it's annoying' why? What's it all to her? Managed to plug her book didn't she. How would Gerry be driving around, they didn't have a car until about three weeks after Madeleine went missing. If he had collected Madeleine's body to put it somewhere else where was it to start with? Does she ever think of that?
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Technology has changed since 2008. They have a much better chance of finding something now. If not Madeleine they may find other things that have been discarded such as her clothes.
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According to Jon Clarke (Olive Press) the police are optimistic of discovering up to three children's bodies - this seems far-fetched to me but if they do discover Joana as well as Madeleine heads will certainly implode.
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It is hilarious as she hasn't got a clue what she's talking about. Every time I look at her she looks madder. She says 'it's a headache, it's annoying' why? What's it all to her? Managed to plug her book didn't she. How would Gerry be driving around, they didn't have a car until about three weeks after Madeleine went missing. If he had collected Madeleine's body to put it somewhere else where was it to start with? Does she ever think of that?
I think mysty said she called him a patsy still. I did not watch it all but why somewhat fourteen years later a patsy and why or would the Germans get out of something they don't care about unless it's been linked with. I could not imagine the vile on cmomm now.
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Or could they be acting on a credible tip off which may or may not yield results? Why wouldn’t or shouldn’t they conduct such a search on receipt of new and credible information?
When the search yields nothing in two days time, can it still be said the information they received is credible?
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When the search yields nothing in two days time, can it still be said the information they received is credible?
It might be changed to incredibly unreliable, particularly if the dogs turn up nothing.
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It may be worth bearing in mind that because a two day search of a large reservoir and the land around it doesn't turn up the body of Madeleine McCann it doesn't mean that it is definitely not there. Look at the smart arses who were utterly convinced Nicola Bulley's body wasn't in the river, and look how long it took to locate it even though it was so close to where she was last seen, and even though only a few days had passed since her disappearance. Personally I think it's highly unlikely that Madeleine's body will be recovered at this late stage even with precise co-ordinates given on its likely resting place, but we shall see. Of course many will be keeping their fingers crossed for a German fail, which is nice of them.
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It may be worth bearing in mind that because a two day search of a large reservoir and the land around it doesn't turn up the body of Madeleine McCann it doesn't mean that it is definitely not there. Look at the smart arses who were utterly convinced Nicola Bulley's body wasn't in the river, and look how long it took to locate it even though it was so close to where she was last seen, and even though only a few days had passed since her disappearance. Personally I think it's highly unlikely that Madeleine's body will be recovered at this late stage even with precise co-ordinates given on its likely resting place, but we shall see. Of course many will be keeping their fingers crossed for a German fail, which is nice of them.
Equally, some people will no doubt be hoping this search yields results. Which would mean Madeleine had been murdered by a paedo & dumped in a reservoir. What an appalling thing for them to be hoping for. Shame on such people. Poor Maddie.
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From the Times today
Why is the Portugal reservoir search for Madeleine McCann significant?
Sean O’NeillMay 04 2023, 6.00pm
Madeleine’s younger sister Amelie, 18, attended a small gathering in her home village of Rothley, Leicestershire, lighting a candle and thanking people for attending a “sad occasion”. Later Kate and Gerry McCann, the missing girl’s parents, said in a statement: “We love you and we’re waiting for you. We’re never going to give up.”
Privately, they know and understand that German, Portuguese and British police think their daughter was murdered by Christian Brueckner, a known sex offender serving a prison sentence in Germany for rape.
Brueckner, 45, denies any involvement but has been the prime suspect in Madeleine’s disappearance since 2020. He is an opportunistic sex offender with a history of burglary and petty theft. Police suspect that he entered the McCann’s unlocked holiday apartment intent on burglary and abducted Madeleine because he could.
However, despite extensive investigations across Europe, police have not found the evidence to bring him to court.
Brueckner is known to have frequented the area around Praia da Luz, where the McCanns were on holiday, and mobile phone records place him close to their apartment on the night she was taken. German authorities say “certain tip-offs” have led them to begin searching a reservoir and surrounding land about 30 miles from Praia da Luz. They appear to be conducting carefully planned searches as they look for Madeleine’s remains.
The developments will provoke mixed emotions in the McCann home. If police find what they are looking for it will dash the family’s slim hopes. Yet, as one family member said recently, “bad news” could bring some closure.
The McCanns may also take some comfort in knowing their persistence, specifically appeals on the tenth anniversary of Madeleine’s disappearance in 2017, led to Brueckner being identified as a suspect.
They have not wavered in the face of vilification and abuse. The couple, both doctors, have been asked at a press conference whether they murdered their child, officially named as suspects by the Portuguese police, booed by crowds in the weeks after Madeleine’s disappearance and relentlessly trolled on social media.
Yet they persisted. They persuaded the Labour home secretary Alan Johnson to commission a report into the handling of the case by Jim Gamble of the Child Exploitation and Online Protection centre. When his report was ignored by the Home Office, the McCanns forced David Cameron, the prime minister, to launch a Scotland Yard review of the case in 2010.
The McCanns never gave up and made repeated appeals, including in 2012, when they released an image of what Madeleine would look like five years after she went missing
The McCanns never gave up and made repeated appeals, including in 2012, when they released an image of what Madeleine would look like five years after she went missing
Gamble says the new searches “have the potential to be more than a false dawn — the police are not just going through the motions”.
More than Ł13 million of public money has been spent on the UK arm of the investigation and there has been criticism that other unsolved murders do not get the same attention — but is it wrong for grief-stricken parents to fight for justice and use every available weapon?
It is also worth remembering that the present investigation might not have been necessary if police had done their job properly, in terms of basic searches, examining phone data and keeping an open mind, in 2007.
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Gamble says the new searches “have the potential to be more than a false dawn — the police are not just going through the motions”.
Ok Jim, if you say so. Wake me up when they find Maddie & Brueckner is charged.
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Gamble says the new searches “have the potential to be more than a false dawn — the police are not just going through the motions”.
Ok Jim, if you say so. Wake me up when they find Maddie & Brueckner is charged.
Is that a promise?
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Is that a promise?
&%54%
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I see Shining In Luz got there early to keep an eye on developments
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12116411/Madeleine-McCann-cops-number-bags-away-search-site.html?ito=link_share_article-image-share#i-24d55abfe55531a8
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I see Shining In Luz got there early to keep an eye on developments
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12116411/Madeleine-McCann-cops-number-bags-away-search-site.html?ito=link_share_article-image-share#i-24d55abfe55531a8
A woman was seen handing over a child that looked like Madeleine to some man. That'll be Kate McCann then. No?
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I see Shining In Luz got there early to keep an eye on developments
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12116411/Madeleine-McCann-cops-number-bags-away-search-site.html?ito=link_share_article-image-share#i-24d55abfe55531a8
Good Spot.
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Latest footage from the Arade Dam as Portuguese, German and British police continue their investigation.
https://twitter.com/Justice_forum/status/1661297967767207940?t=2DcmYtd-mhUBLW4d5BC-Eg&s=19
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Latest footage from the Arade Dam as Portuguese, German and British police continue their investigation.
https://twitter.com/Justice_forum/status/1661297967767207940?t=2DcmYtd-mhUBLW4d5BC-Eg&s=19
Have you read those comments?
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Good Spot.
I agree. It's a rather beautiful spot. Brueckner has good taste in picnic sites & the Portuguese sure know how to make a decent reservoir.
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Have you read those comments?
let me guess, has Isabelle McFadden and her multi-headed troll army gone into a frothing frenzy? That's what usually happens when anything McCann news related gets tweeted.
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Seems now it's boiled down to a phone ping hearsay and a photo of the reservoir found at a CB location.
Is this the photo some thought was Maddie.............I wonder.
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Seems now it's boiled down to a phone ping hearsay and a photo of the reservoir found at a CB location.
Is this the photo some thought was Maddie.............I wonder.
You are posting from a position of ignorance
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Seems now it's boiled down to a phone ping hearsay and a photo of the reservoir found at a CB location.
Is this the photo some thought was Maddie.............I wonder.
Wolters has said the evidence he has convinces them that CB murdered Maddie and if he shared it others would reach the same conclusion...so it isn't what you've posted
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Wolters has said the evidence he has convinces them that CB murdered Maddie and if he shared it others would reach the same conclusion...so it isn't what you've posted
If the evidence Wolters has is enough to convince others, then why doesn't he put this evidence before a Judge? I can only conclude that Wolters believes the public require a lower standard of proof than the judiciary.
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If the evidence Wolters has is enough to convince others, then why doesn't he put this evidence before a Judge? I can only conclude that Wolters believes the public require a lower standard of proof than the judiciary.
There's clever.
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Wolters has said the evidence he has convinces them that CB murdered Maddie and if he shared it others would reach the same conclusion...so it isn't what you've posted
Its all just hearsay though isn't it D
Hearsay...phone ping ...photo ...HCW hearsay/opinom
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Its all just hearsay though isn't it D
Hearsay...phone ping ...photo ...HCW hearsay/opinom
No Wolters isn't relying on hearsay...nor opinion...but concrete. Evidence
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No Wolters isn't relying on hearsay...nor opinion...but concrete. Evidence
concrete. Evidence
In your opinion.
S do you reckon the concrete is in the reservoir
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Its all just hearsay though isn't it D
Hearsay...phone ping ...photo ...HCW hearsay/opinom
It isn't just the phone ping..all three police forces involved in a massive operation.
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No Wolters isn't relying on hearsay...nor opinion...but concrete. Evidence
Yes, he told us three years ago they have concrete evidence, enough evidence to charge. Now they're sifting through old crisp packets & lost plimsols on the off chance.
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concrete. Evidence
In your opinion.
S do you reckon the concrete is in the reservoir
Concrete..not my opinion but the opinion of the BKA..that's like the FBI
I think the chances of finding anything is slim...like lots of things police do
.we have to wait and see
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There's clever.
the troll is right, but it’s better put the other way round - the judiciary requires a higher standard of proof than the general public, one that is beyond any doubt which is very likely why the case has not yet reached the courts.
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Concrete..not my opinion but the opinion of the BKA..that's like the FBI
I think the chances of finding anything is slim...like lots of things police do
.we have to wait and see
Yes and so do you...also, stop making out in your posts that everything HCW says is fact when it's only opinion.
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Yes and so do you...also, stop making out in your posts that everything HCW says is fact when it's only opinion.
It's a fact that the German BKA say that according to the evidence they have CB murdered Maddie
That's a fact
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It's a fact that the German BKA say that according to the evidence they have CB murdered Maddie
That's a fact
Say....... is the keyword.....not he has proof.
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the troll is right, but it’s better put the other way round - the judiciary requires a higher standard of proof than the general public, one that is beyond any doubt which is very likely why the case has not yet reached the courts.
Wolters & the German FBI are in no doubt. They just need to work on their sun tans before they press charges.
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Say....... is the keyword.....not he has proof.
McCanns say, Madeleine was abducted.
Redwood said, not suspects, criminal act, by a stranger.
Wolters says, concrete evidence.
All you need do is believe.
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It seems it's the Eyor pajamas they are looking for...so wonder what finding those could prove.
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Say....... is the keyword.....not he has proof.
Concrete evidence....100%. Sure..are the key words
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It seems it's the Eyor pajamas they are looking for...so wonder what finding those could prove.
That she actually had them on? I tend to believe she was wearing a white, long sleeved pair. As Aoife Smith remembered seeing.
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Concrete evidence....100%. Sure..are the key words
Is there any singular piece of evidence in particular that convinces you Brueckner murdered Maddie?
Me, I don't need to see any evidence at all. If Wolters says he has some, that's good enough for me.
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According to the Independent live blog this afternoon, police are looking for pink pyjamas. That's a highly specific, targeted search, based presumably on very particular information.
I don't remember any information as precise as this being conveyed to the public before - and this from the tight-lipped Germans.
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the troll is right, but it’s better put the other way round - the judiciary requires a higher standard of proof than the general public, one that is beyond any doubt which is very likely why the case has not yet reached the courts.
My point, either way. I was just surprised by the fact that Spammybot had worked it out.
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Wolters & the German FBI are in no doubt. They just need to work on their sun tans before they press charges.
Not that old chesnut again.
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That she actually had them on? I tend to believe she was wearing a white, long sleeved pair. As Aoife Smith remembered seeing.
That she actually had them on?
It does seem strange, whether Maddie was wearing those or not.
Thursday, December 19, 2019
Dr Martin Roberts 'A Nightwear Job' (If Madeleine's pyjamas had not, in fact, been abducted then neither had Madeleine McCann)
An update on The Nightwear Job by Dr Martin Roberts:
A Nightwear Job: http://onlyinamericablogging.blogspot.com/2016/03/a-nightwear-job-by-dr-martin-roberts.html
Wednesday, 20 November 2019
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That she actually had them on?
It does seem strange, whether Maddie was wearing those or not.
Thursday, December 19, 2019
Dr Martin Roberts 'A Nightwear Job' (If Madeleine's pyjamas had not, in fact, been abducted then neither had Madeleine McCann)
An update on The Nightwear Job by Dr Martin Roberts:
A Nightwear Job: http://onlyinamericablogging.blogspot.com/2016/03/a-nightwear-job-by-dr-martin-roberts.html
Wednesday, 20 November 2019
Yes I know. Kate took Amelie's (supposedly), pyjamas, on a tour of Europe, to prove to the world that when Maddie was abducted, she was dressed in short sleeved Eeyore Pyjamas, so she was, & most definitely not the white long sleeved pair that Aoife saw her wearing. So yeah. If anyone here believes the three expert investigative forces will be finding remnants of some pink Eeyore pyjamas by the lake, I can assure you, they won't.
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“It was so cold and windy. I kept picturing her in her short-sleeved Marks & Spencer Eeyore pyjamas and feeling how chilled she would be. Fear was shearing through my body.”
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Not that old chesnut again.
The McCann trolls are really worried right now, you can tell when they start trotting out their favourite cliches.
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According to the Independent live blog this afternoon, police are looking for pink pyjamas. That's a highly specific, targeted search, based presumably on very particular information.
I don't remember any information as precise as this being conveyed to the public before - and this from the tight-lipped Germans.
Of course any sun and or water wouldn't have leached the colour out.
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The McCann trolls are really worried right now, you can tell when they start trotting out their favourite cliches.
What am I worried about?
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Of course any sun and or water wouldn't have leached the colour out.
It is the make of the material that they will be looking at.
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What am I worried about?
Not important. Go back to sleep. Merci Beaucoup.
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Can you imagine the egg on German faces when they find zilch, nada, nuffin.
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It is the make of the material that they will be looking at.
Why, was it bespoke?
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Why, was it bespoke?
It will have been to the company who made these pyjamas. And they do keep records.
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It will have been to the company who made these pyjamas. And they do keep records.
Maybe, unless it was a sweatshop somewhere in SE Asia.
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Can you imagine the egg on German faces when they find zilch, nada, nuffin.
No I doubt they will feel that they have anything to be embarrassed or ashamed about, simply doing their jobs to the best of their ability while people like you are willing them to fail. The question is - why?
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Of course any sun and or water wouldn't have leached the colour out.
damn, why didn’t they think of that?! In fact why are they bothering at all? They should just pack up and go home and let you guys and the rapist/paedo rest easy.
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Maybe, unless it was a sweatshop somewhere in SE Asia.
The McCanns still have a pair I expect. As no doubt do a lot of other people in UK.
Why such a fuss about identifying a pair of pyjamas?
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No I doubt they will feel that they have anything to be embarrassed or ashamed about, simply doing their jobs to the best of their ability while people like you are willing them to fail. The question is - why?
We're not willing them to fail. We are being realistic.
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damn, why didn’t they think of that?! In fact why are they bothering at all? They should just pack up and go home and let you guys and the rapist/paedo rest easy.
Yes, they should just pack up and go home. When Brueckner said that he murdered Maddie, he wasn't telling the truth. Only, Wolters has to take his claim seriously.
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According to this article police have been digging where sniffer dogs have indicated. If no bodies or body parts are found how will the dog apologists explain this?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12118463/MADELEINE-MCCANN-SEARCH-LIVE-German-Portuguese-police-continue-hunt.html
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According to this article police have been digging where sniffer dogs have indicated. If no bodies or body parts are found how will the dog apologists explain this?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12118463/MADELEINE-MCCANN-SEARCH-LIVE-German-Portuguese-police-continue-hunt.html
Explain what? I'm often told that dog alerts are meaningless.
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Can you imagine the egg on German faces when they find zilch, nada, nuffin.
No way that's going to happen John. You can't seriously expect us to believe that the three police forces would go tearing up the Portuguese countryside without genuinely CREDIBLE information.
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I see they are back again tomorrow. 2 days seemed a bit short for what they are trying to achieve , though they could probably search for a week and be no further forward.
No doubt we shall see in the fullness of time.
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Didn't Doctor Totman have a pair of these pyjamas that he produced some years after the event. I expect he has still got them in this case.
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I think they were probably similar rather than identical
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I kind of remember there was a sighting in Silves on the night of disappearance. Am I imagining this?
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I kind of remember there was a sighting in Silves on the night of disappearance. Am I imagining this?
A Portuguese trucker telephoned the Método 3 helpline in November reporting that he had seen a blonde woman pass a child wrapped in a blanket to a man, who then 'bundled' her into a car. He said this took place two days after the disappearance, in the Algarve town of Silves.[8]
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A Portuguese trucker telephoned the Método 3 helpline in November reporting that he had seen a blonde woman pass a child wrapped in a blanket to a man, who then 'bundled' her into a car. He said this took place two days after the disappearance, in the Algarve town of Silves.[8]
He waited until November to report a highly suspicious incident he witnessed in, May? What was he doing for the other six months?
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A Portuguese trucker telephoned the Método 3 helpline in November reporting that he had seen a blonde woman pass a child wrapped in a blanket to a man, who then 'bundled' her into a car. He said this took place two days after the disappearance, in the Algarve town of Silves.[8]
Do you remember how this was connected to Russian wife of Murat's?
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He waited until November to report a highly suspicious incident he witnessed in, May? What was he doing for the other six months?
He was obviously in no rush…after all it was only a child’s welfare that was at stake. I wonder if he went to the ACTUAL police too?
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He was obviously in no rush…after all it was only a child’s welfare that was at stake. I wonder if he went to the ACTUAL police too?
As opposed to the FAKE police you mean? Didn’t lawyer Correia get a tip off from the criminal underworld back in 2007 that Madeleine had been disposed of in the same reservoir they are now searching? Perhaps a tip off from the same guy?
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Do you remember how this was connected to Russian wife of Murat's?
No, but this sighting has now been referenced in a newspaper article I read earlier.
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No way that's going to happen John. You can't seriously expect us to believe that the three police forces would go tearing up the Portuguese countryside without genuinely CREDIBLE information.
Let’s hope it’s not Correia’s information they’re acting on. First it was the underworld who gave him the information then he said that it was a vision. Suffice to say he ended up bankrolling his own search.
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Let’s hope it’s not Correia’s information they’re acting on. First it was the underworld who gave him the information then he said that it was a vision. Suffice to say he ended up bankrolling his own search.
Why would they suddenly act on Correia’s information which has been in the public domain for all these years? Please try and think logically.
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From 4th Feb 2008
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/divers-hunt-for-madeleine-mccanns-body-291916
Divers hunt for Madeleine McCann's body in a remote reservoir
The search for Madeleine McCann took a grim twist yesterday as divers trawled a remote reservoir for her body.
Emily Nash
Madeleine McCann (PA)
The search for Madeleine McCann took a grim twist yesterday as divers trawled a remote reservoir for her body.
The hunt, near the Algarve resort where she went missing in May, followed an underworld tip-off to lawyer Marcos Correia.
Marcos, 32, said: "They told me she was thrown into a deserted lake with murky waters. I'm convinced this is the place."
It was a search that began in hope but gave way to heavy-hearted resignation as the weeks and months went by.
Now there are fears the hunt for Madeleine McCann could end in the murky depths of a reservoir 40 miles from where she went missing.
Good Samaritan Marcos Aragao Correia, 32, is paying for a team of British divers to trawl it after an underworld tip-off that she was dumped in a lake just days after being abducted.
And they have unearthed a 17ft cord he believes was used to tie up the four-year-old.
The desolate reservoir in Barragem do Arade - 150ft deep in places - has a beach and a walkway leading to a tower. It matches clues the Portuguese lawyer was given.
Marcos said: "I am convinced this is the place. My sources told me Madeleine was thrown into a deserted lake with murky waters, a beach and lots of trees.
"I believe this would have been the best place for someone to have dumped the body, based on my investigations.
"It's not overlooked, has easy access by car and if you threw the body from the tower the water is 55ft deep there."
The site is also a short drive from Silves, where a trucker has told police that on May 5 - two days after Madeleine went missing - he saw a woman hand a man a child looking like her.
News of the grim lead came as Portugal's top cop conceded his men acted with "hastiness" in making the McCanns suspects.
And Marcos believes Kate and Gerry had nothing to do with Madeleine's disappearance.
He is funding the dive search - at an estimated Ł1,200 a day - after he told Portuguese detectives eight weeks ago about the tip-off but was ignored.
The lawyer said: "I was able to identify the site on December 10 and immediately informed police, who did nothing.
"I got tired of waiting for them to act on my information, so I decided to act.
"I will stay here as long as is necessary to try to solve this mystery. I don't care how much the divers cost, what matters is that my conscience will be clear."
Six frogmen, working seven hours a day, are searching by touch alone as there is almost zero visibility in the lake's dark depths.
Marcos is convinced the nylon cord they retrieved - of a type used on window blinds - was tragically connected to Madeleine's abduction. He said: "They have found a cord tied in knots down there, right below the tower. I have given it to police.
"It's logical that if you throw a body in the water, you would tie it to something to weigh it down. There's no other rubbish there. There is no reason for it to be there."
Arade Reservoir, accessible via a dirt track, is a few hundred yards from a derelict hilltop diner and a car park used as an unofficial caravan camping site.
The divers are focusing their search on the base of the tower - 15ft from the shore - as Marcos believes the body may have been thrown from there.
He explained: "I don't have enough money to pay for the entire lake to be searched. That would take many divers and many weeks.
"But because of the clues I have I decided to pay for searches in this area."
The underwater unit began their grim task last Thursday.
Alan Wilson, who heads the team based in Lagos, Portugal, said: "You can't see anything down there.
"Everything is black because there is no light. The divers are searching entirely by touch, feeling in the silt for anything suspicious that shouldn't be there. It's a long, slow process."
The woman said to have been seen in Silves passing a girl to a male accomplice is said to have looked like Mikaela Walczuch - girlfriend of suspect Robert Murat.
Ms Walczuch has never been an official suspect and dismissed the claim as "ridiculous".
However, both Marcos and Metodo 3, the Spanish detective agency hired by the Mc-Canns, believe the sighting of the girl could be a crucial clue.
The lawyer said: "Metodo 3 believe this lead is quite credible.
"They told me their investigations indicated that Madeleine was switched from one car to another, precisely in Silves."
He added: "I don't believe Kate and Gerry did it. It could have been a single madman or a gang, I don't know."
Marcos, who was first given his tip-off three days after Madeleine went missing from Praia da Luz, visited the reservoir with Metodo 3 detectives in December.
Last night the McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell welcomed the possible breakthrough.
He said: "We're grateful to anyone who feels they have important information in the search for Madeleine.
"If his search produces significant results he must, of course, share that information with the police and our investigators."
Meanwhile, Portuguese police chief Alipio Ribeiro conceded at the weekend his officers showed a "certain hastiness" in making Kate and Gerry, both 39, suspects.
He admitted there "perhaps should have been a different evaluation... I have no doubt about that." Kate and Gerry believe it could be a key step in clearing their name.
A friend revealed: "They're not punching the air as they know there's still a long way to go, but it's a step in the right direction."
Mr Mitchell added: "There was no air of celebration, but it's the sort of thing we have been waiting for.
"We hope that his comments are an indication police realise there's no case against Kate and Gerry and that it leads to them being eliminated from the inquiry."
Emily.Nash@Mirror.Co.Uk
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How very coincidental that the place identified by Correia back in 2007 also happened to be a favourite hang out of the chief suspect in this case, and who was said to be there shortly after Madeleine’s disappearance. I mean, what are the odds?
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How very coincidental that the place identified by Correia back in 2007 also happened to be a favourite hang out of the chief suspect in this case, and who was said to be there shortly after Madeleine’s disappearance. I mean, what are the odds?
Probably not that great really. Brueckner lived not all that far from the reservoir. He liked spending nights out in his camper, so it isn't all that unexpected he might happen to visit the local beauty spot, & a reservoir isn't a bad place to dump a body, if you're prepared to boat out to the middle & have given the corpse a concrete overcoat.
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Brueckner does seem to have been very unforthcoming about his movements at that time, with false alibis and such.
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Brueckner does seem to have been very unforthcoming about his movements at that time, with false alibis and such.
When has he given a false alibi?
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Amaral refers his big fat fibbing face again.
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Brueckner does seem to have been very unforthcoming about his movements at that time, with false alibis and such.
Someone needs to correct this misinformation, & it looks like it has to be me.
In order for it to be said to beTrue, that Brueckner has given a False alibi, it would need to be shown, or proven even, that Brueckner wasn't where he said he was.
Has anyone shown or proven Brueckner wasn't where he said he was, Eleanor?
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"The prime suspect in the Madeleine McCann search, Christian Brueckner, is said to have visited the Portugal reservoir “some days” after her disappearance, a source close to the investigation has revealed."
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/madeleine-mccann-search-news-latest-today-b2345492.html
Some days eh? What, two days? Seven days? Twenty Seven days?
I hope Brueckner can fabricate an alibi for some days.
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Didn't take long for a slimy grub to crawl out of the woodwork and poo over the investigation...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12124801/Madeleine-McCann-investigators-searching-remote-Algarve-spot-stolen-GUN-camcorder.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12124801/Madeleine-McCann-investigators-searching-remote-Algarve-spot-stolen-GUN-camcorder.html)
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Didn't take long for a slimy grub to crawl out of the woodwork and poo over the investigation...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12124801/Madeleine-McCann-investigators-searching-remote-Algarve-spot-stolen-GUN-camcorder.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12124801/Madeleine-McCann-investigators-searching-remote-Algarve-spot-stolen-GUN-camcorder.html)
Yup. As ever. But why does Amaral think that Madeleine was cremated? Is it something to do with Madeleine being put in the coffin of an English Woman? He sounds to me as though he has gone completely mad.
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Didn't take long for a slimy grub to crawl out of the woodwork and poo over the investigation...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12124801/Madeleine-McCann-investigators-searching-remote-Algarve-spot-stolen-GUN-camcorder.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12124801/Madeleine-McCann-investigators-searching-remote-Algarve-spot-stolen-GUN-camcorder.html)
He’s such a con spiral oon.
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So it is about searching for a gun and a camcorder? Not for Madeleine's body.
The items were stolen from CBs home.
We heard about that before, nothing new.
Now, the thieves who were also CBs friends gave the location coordinates to the police.
Gosh, what else we will see in this case......
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So it is about searching for a gun and a camcorder? Not for Madeleine's body.
The items were stolen from CBs home.
We heard about that before, nothing new.
Now, the thieves who were also CBs friends gave the location coordinates to the police.
Gosh, what else we will see in this case......
Didn’t one of Brueckner’s criminal friends say in the Discovery channel documentary that the camera had been left in a mobile home?
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Didn’t one of Brueckner’s criminal friends say in the Discovery channel documentary that the camera had been left in a mobile home?
I’m sure thieving CB had access to more than one video camera in his time.
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Amaral is doing a very good job of making The Portuguese look stupid again. Don't they care or are they stupid?
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Amaral is doing a very good job of making The Portuguese look stupid again. Don't they care or are they stupid?
What do you mean by The Portuguese? Do you mean the PJ or everyone of Portuguese Nationality?
Because if it's the latter, then that is very discriminatory.
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Amaral claims that the evidence which Bruckner was convicted of rape was fabricated by the Germans. What are the odds that the same thing will happen in the Madeleine case?
Coincidence or what???
"Speaking for the first time since police began searching the area around the Arade Dam, just 35 miles from the resort of Praia da Luz, he claimed the fresh hunt was just an attempt to make prime suspect Christian Brueckner a 'scapegoat'.
He also blasted the German investigation that saw Brueckner convicted of the 2005 rape of an elderly American woman in Praia da Lux and for which he was jailed for seven years in 2019.
Amaral said:'The gynecological examination carried out at the Portimăo Hospital, on the night the alleged crime took place, shows that there was no rape.
'The individual is convicted for something that did not exist. The sheets, etc., were also collected from the woman's house and nothing was found that had traces of this German.'
Brueckner was convicted after DNA was found on the sheets but he insists this was because he had stroked the victim's cat and they had been transferred onto the bedclothes."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12124801/Madeleine-McCann-investigators-searching-remote-Algarve-spot-stolen-GUN-camcorder.html
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Amaral claims that the evidence which Bruckner was convicted of rape was fabricated by the Germans. What are the odds that the same thing will happen in the Madeleine case?
Coincidence or what???
"Speaking for the first time since police began searching the area around the Arade Dam, just 35 miles from the resort of Praia da Luz, he claimed the fresh hunt was just an attempt to make prime suspect Christian Brueckner a 'scapegoat'.
He also blasted the German investigation that saw Brueckner convicted of the 2005 rape of an elderly American woman in Praia da Lux and for which he was jailed for seven years in 2019.
Amaral said:'The gynecological examination carried out at the Portimăo Hospital, on the night the alleged crime took place, shows that there was no rape.
'The individual is convicted for something that did not exist. The sheets, etc., were also collected from the woman's house and nothing was found that had traces of this German.'
Brueckner was convicted after DNA was found on the sheets but he insists this was because he had stroked the victim's cat and they had been transferred onto the bedclothes."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12124801/Madeleine-McCann-investigators-searching-remote-Algarve-spot-stolen-GUN-camcorder.html
What a despicable lying piece of filth that man is. IMO.
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Amaral claims that the evidence which Bruckner was convicted of rape was fabricated by the Germans. What are the odds that the same thing will happen in the Madeleine case?
Coincidence or what???
"Speaking for the first time since police began searching the area around the Arade Dam, just 35 miles from the resort of Praia da Luz, he claimed the fresh hunt was just an attempt to make prime suspect Christian Brueckner a 'scapegoat'.
He also blasted the German investigation that saw Brueckner convicted of the 2005 rape of an elderly American woman in Praia da Lux and for which he was jailed for seven years in 2019.
Amaral said:'The gynecological examination carried out at the Portimăo Hospital, on the night the alleged crime took place, shows that there was no rape.
'The individual is convicted for something that did not exist. The sheets, etc., were also collected from the woman's house and nothing was found that had traces of this German.'
Brueckner was convicted after DNA was found on the sheets but he insists this was because he had stroked the victim's cat and they had been transferred onto the bedclothes."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12124801/Madeleine-McCann-investigators-searching-remote-Algarve-spot-stolen-GUN-camcorder.html
That's pure amaral junk John...there is a lot more too it.
The two informers have ^*&& a description of a pretty cruel ordeal of rape. The Portuguese went through their records and found a case that matched. The only evidence they had was a hair from her bed..the DNA matched CB.
There's a group trying to make out he's innocent of the rape. If you look at the facts ..he's guilty
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Amaral claims that the evidence which Bruckner was convicted of rape was fabricated by the Germans. What are the odds that the same thing will happen in the Madeleine case?
Coincidence or what???
"Speaking for the first time since police began searching the area around the Arade Dam, just 35 miles from the resort of Praia da Luz, he claimed the fresh hunt was just an attempt to make prime suspect Christian Brueckner a 'scapegoat'.
He also blasted the German investigation that saw Brueckner convicted of the 2005 rape of an elderly American woman in Praia da Lux and for which he was jailed for seven years in 2019.
Amaral said:'The gynecological examination carried out at the Portimăo Hospital, on the night the alleged crime took place, shows that there was no rape.
'The individual is convicted for something that did not exist. The sheets, etc., were also collected from the woman's house and nothing was found that had traces of this German.'
Brueckner was convicted after DNA was found on the sheets but he insists this was because he had stroked the victim's cat and they had been transferred onto the bedclothes."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12124801/Madeleine-McCann-investigators-searching-remote-Algarve-spot-stolen-GUN-camcorder.html
Why is it that you believe everything amaral says but not the statements from the BKA that Wolters gives
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Amaral said:'The gynecological examination carried out at the Portimăo Hospital, on the night the alleged crime took place, shows that there was no rape.
'The individual is convicted for something that did not exist. The sheets, etc., were also collected from the woman's house and nothing was found that had traces of this German.'
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First paragraph is a lie....the report did not say there was no rape....I've seen it..
2nd paragraph a lie....a hair from CB was found on the sheets
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Amaral claims that the evidence which Bruckner was convicted of rape was fabricated by the Germans. What are the odds that the same thing will happen in the Madeleine case?
Coincidence or what???
"Speaking for the first time since police began searching the area around the Arade Dam, just 35 miles from the resort of Praia da Luz, he claimed the fresh hunt was just an attempt to make prime suspect Christian Brueckner a 'scapegoat'.
He also blasted the German investigation that saw Brueckner convicted of the 2005 rape of an elderly American woman in Praia da Lux and for which he was jailed for seven years in 2019.
Amaral said:'The gynecological examination carried out at the Portimăo Hospital, on the night the alleged crime took place, shows that there was no rape.
'The individual is convicted for something that did not exist. The sheets, etc., were also collected from the woman's house and nothing was found that had traces of this German.'
Brueckner was convicted after DNA was found on the sheets but he insists this was because he had stroked the victim's cat and they had been transferred onto the bedclothes."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12124801/Madeleine-McCann-investigators-searching-remote-Algarve-spot-stolen-GUN-camcorder.html
Brueckner claiming that he broke into the victim's house purely to stroke the cat.
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Brueckner claiming that he broke into the victim's house purely to stroke the cat.
It's even more far fetched than that. He claimed to have stroked the cat outside the woman's house as he went about his business and somehow the cat managed to drag his one hair into the woman's bed thereafter. It's a real "Dog ate my homework" excuse that only a real rapist apologist and fanboy would fall for.
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Why is Amaral doing this is what I want to know. His book sales are a dead duck now.
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Why is it that you believe everything amaral says but not the statements from the BKA that Wolters gives
Probably because actions speak louder than words.
First hand knowledge of the case also.
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Can you imagine the egg on German faces when they find zilch, nada, nuffin.
Think this is the most realistic post on this thread.
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Think this is the most realistic post on this thread.
In what way is it realistic? You may IMAGINE that the German police will have egg on their face, but that's all it is - imagination, not reality.
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Why is Amaral doing this is what I want to know. His book sales are a dead duck now.
Probably because he gets paid.
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Why is it that you believe everything amaral says but not the statements from the BKA that Wolters gives
John's position on this case is absolutely illogical and (dare I say it) deliberately provocative (which is the polite way of putting it). He thinks Madeleine was abducted outside the apartment but also thinks Amaral is to be respected and revered for his plainly bonkers views. John prefers to mock and deride all efforts by the German and English police to track down an abductor and seems to have completely discounted the possibility of Bruckener's involvement on the basis that he hasn't been charged yet (which is also an illogical conclusion to arrive at). One can only surmise that John's on a bit of a wind up to keep the forum lively.
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Probably because actions speak louder than words.
First hand knowledge of the case also.
What has amaral achieved apart from being sacked. The PJ had first hand knowledge of DMs rape and failed...now five other cases the pj had first hand knowledge. Amaral believes the alerts prove Maddie died in the apt...they don't...he's a first hand fool
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What has amaral achieved apart from being sacked. The PJ had first hand knowledge of DMs rape and failed...now five other cases the pj had first hand knowledge. Amaral believes the alerts prove Maddie died in the apt...they don't...he's a first hand fool
.he's a first hand fool
So is this post.
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Think this is the most realistic post on this thread.
John's post is from a position of ignorance
That's the sort of post that impresses you
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.he's a first hand fool
So is this post.
My post is factually correct...John's isnt
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John's post is from a position of ignorance
That's the sort of post that impresses you
John was right, wasn't he?
Any post that doesn't have an ulterior motive ...impresses me.
I find your posts do have ulterior motives .... rather than the truth.
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John's position on this case is absolutely illogical and (dare I say it) deliberately provocative (which is the polite way of putting it). He thinks Madeleine was abducted outside the apartment but also thinks Amaral is to be respected and revered for his plainly bonkers views. John prefers to mock and deride all efforts by the German and English police to track down an abductor and seems to have completely discounted the possibility of Bruckener's involvement on the basis that he hasn't been charged yet (which is also an illogical conclusion to arrive at). One can only surmise that John's on a bit of a wind up to keep the forum lively.
For some reason John supports amaral.
Can't see any reason why
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For some reason John supports amaral.
Can't see any reason why
Not for me to say who John supports...or you.
In my case, it's not so much supporting GA. .... It's not believing Maddie was abducted.
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Not for me to say who John supports...or you.
In my case, it's not so much supporting GA. .... It's not believing Maddie was abducted.
John has regularly posts support for amaral
Amaral has told us what evidence he supports his theories ...and it's junk.
All factual correct again
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John's position on this case is absolutely illogical and (dare I say it) deliberately provocative (which is the polite way of putting it). He thinks Madeleine was abducted outside the apartment but also thinks Amaral is to be respected and revered for his plainly bonkers views. John prefers to mock and deride all efforts by the German and English police to track down an abductor and seems to have completely discounted the possibility of Bruckener's involvement on the basis that he hasn't been charged yet (which is also an illogical conclusion to arrive at). One can only surmise that John's on a bit of a wind up to keep the forum lively.
Perhaps John is bolstering up the obvious losers. But this is just a guess.
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John has regularly posts support for amaral
Amaral has told us what evidence he supports his theories ...and it's junk.
All factual correct again
I think it is so sad when a post has to be so unpleasant - just because of an opinion that doesn't agree with you.
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Why is it that you believe everything amaral says but not the statements from the BKA that Wolters gives
Well maybe......... because.
His lawyer Freidrich Fulscher has insisted he had no involvement in the McCann case and is attempting to have it thrown out.
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I think it is so sad when a post has to be so unpleasant - just because of an opinion that doesn't agree with you.
what in my post is unpleasant and it isnt opinion its fact not oipinion.
you find my post unpleasant but are quite happy with John posting lies ...based on amarals lies...denying a woman has been raped.
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Why is no one talking about the 'relevant clue' found at the reservoir?
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-police-find-relevant-30081438
This is a MASSIVE breakthrough in the case against the murderer.
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Perhaps John is bolstering up the obvious losers. But this is just a guess.
My guess is John sees something of himself in Amaral
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My guess is John sees something of himself in Amaral
He's got the type of face you'd love to punch!
Amaral that is, not John.
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He's got the type of face you'd love to punch!
Amaral that is, not John.
You know, I thought the same thing the first time I saw Smirky McSmirky McCann.
I've mellowed since then
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Well maybe......... because.
His lawyer Freidrich Fulscher has insisted he had no involvement in the McCann case and is attempting to have it thrown out.
There has been no attempt to throw it out..just to change jurisdiction. One of the charges is where a policeman found CB with his trousers down in a children's playground...is he denying that too
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There has been no attempt to throw it out..just to change jurisdiction. One of the charges is where a policeman found CB with his trousers down in a children's playground...is he denying that too
I think he's the sort who denies everything, irrespective of what evidence there might be
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I think he's the sort who denies everything, irrespective of what evidence there might be
Are you talking about Amaral now..?
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I see interest has waned regarding the activities which took place at the Arade dam at the beginning of the week.
The world moves on to deal with reality - myth making and vindictiveness just do not have the same ring to them anymore no matter if evidence is to be found or no. The result is that the lies in "the truth of the lie" are well and truly exposed to any sentient being.
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One wonders who was responsible for this ‘tip off’ that lead to the search. If not Brueckener himself (as Wolters has confirmed in the press) then who?
Does this mean third parties were involved in the disappearance? (assuming for the sake of argument Brueckner is guilty).
Does it mean an innocent third party - such as a girlfriend - knew certain details at the time?
Or could the tip off have come from a more recent confidant in Germany or elsewhere?
Or is there another possibility?
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One wonders who was responsible for this ‘tip off’ that lead to the search. If not Brueckener himself (as Wolters has confirmed in the press) then who?
Does this mean third parties were involved in the disappearance? (assuming for the sake of argument Brueckner is guilty).
Does it mean an innocent third party - such as a girlfriend - knew certain details at the time?
Or could the tip off have come from a more recent confidant in Germany or elsewhere?
Or is there another possibility?
No idea what brought them to dig in that location. I was thrown bit that the exercise was mainly digging on dry land. Did they do any diving at all?
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The Odiaxere dam was nearest so they search this one again.
Remember this:
Girl alleged to be buried under rocks
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/jun/14/ukcrime.sandralaville
And this:
Mysterious Letter Claims Body Was Dumped in Barragem Da Bravura Reservoir
https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/madeleine-mccann-mysterious-letter-claims-body-was-dumped-barragem-da-bravura-reservoir-1476441
Both letters claim Odiaxere as the location to search.
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No idea what brought them to dig in that location. I was thrown bit that the exercise was mainly digging on dry land. Did they do any diving at all?
It seems as though they were only digging.
Pathfinder's article from ibt shows digging not diving at that location as well.
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One wonders who was responsible for this ‘tip off’ that lead to the search. If not Brueckener himself (as Wolters has confirmed in the press) then who?
Does this mean third parties were involved in the disappearance? (assuming for the sake of argument Brueckner is guilty).
Does it mean an innocent third party - such as a girlfriend - knew certain details at the time?
Or could the tip off have come from a more recent confidant in Germany or elsewhere?
Or is there another possibility?
I read today in a news clip that a couple found a 'creepy' alter there. With stones marking an arrow to it - some old flowers and a picture of MBM there...Apparently they informed the police but nothing was done. They have been questioned about it recently.
Sorry tried to find which link it was
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It seems as though they were only digging.
Pathfinder's article from ibt shows digging not diving at that location as well.
Possibly they were planting next year's crop of standing stones.
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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/22500591/inside-madeleine-mccann-suspect-sinister-camp-reservoir/
Includes a few photos of the little paradise from an unknown date before police began their searches.
Perhaps one of our posters who likes using Google Earth can find the spiritual ring of stones in image history.
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(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/05/27/16/71480553-12131383-image-a-69_1685201918138.jpg)
Pictured: Three rocks in the Arade Reservoir in 2007 where a shrine was found. The flowers and tribute were left on the middle rock
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/05/27/16/71480557-12131383-image-a-67_1685201824574.jpg)
Pictured is the shrine left for the three-year-old girl
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/05/27/16/71480551-12131383-image-a-66_1685201787816.jpg)
The makeshift memorial (pictured here) was weighed down by a large rock and had a bouquet of flowers and a photograph of abducted Madeleine on it
Speaking exclusively to The Mail on Sunday from their holiday home, just a few minutes' drive from the reservoir, retired builder Ralf and former bank cashier Ann described the bizarre find. Ralf, 66, a father of two, said: 'It was around Christmas 2007, so Madeleine had only gone missing a few months beforehand and I went down to the reservoir with Ann, our daughter, who was then 16, and the dog . . .
'Our daughter ran on ahead of us and all of a sudden she just shouted to us, "Quick, come and look, someone must have died here."
When we got down, we noticed a row of stones stretching out into the water and on the last one there was a bouquet of fresh white lilies. We went out and had a look, and on the stone where the flowers were, there was a photograph of Madeleine.
'There was no note or anything and it was all very strange.'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12131383/Police-searched-reservoir-Maddie-McCann-case-British-couple-discovered-shrine-her.html
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Typical PJ to be so utterly incurious about this or about Correia’s tip off back in 2007. Talk about egg on their faces if Madeleine’s remains are found in or around that reservoir.
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Typical PJ to be so utterly incurious about this or about Correia’s tip off back in 2007. Talk about egg on their faces if Madeleine’s remains are found in or around that reservoir.
Talk about egg on their faces if Madeleine’s remains are found in or around that reservoir.
Do you mean by removing GA from the case?
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Talk about egg on their faces if Madeleine’s remains are found in or around that reservoir.
Do you mean by removing GA from the case?
No, why would I mean that? Do you think if GA had remained on the case he would have listened to Correia’s tip off? Please be serious.
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(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/05/27/16/71480553-12131383-image-a-69_1685201918138.jpg)
Pictured: Three rocks in the Arade Reservoir in 2007 where a shrine was found. The flowers and tribute were left on the middle rock
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/05/27/16/71480557-12131383-image-a-67_1685201824574.jpg)
Pictured is the shrine left for the three-year-old girl
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/05/27/16/71480551-12131383-image-a-66_1685201787816.jpg)
The makeshift memorial (pictured here) was weighed down by a large rock and had a bouquet of flowers and a photograph of abducted Madeleine on it
Speaking exclusively to The Mail on Sunday from their holiday home, just a few minutes' drive from the reservoir, retired builder Ralf and former bank cashier Ann described the bizarre find. Ralf, 66, a father of two, said: 'It was around Christmas 2007, so Madeleine had only gone missing a few months beforehand and I went down to the reservoir with Ann, our daughter, who was then 16, and the dog . . .
'Our daughter ran on ahead of us and all of a sudden she just shouted to us, "Quick, come and look, someone must have died here."
When we got down, we noticed a row of stones stretching out into the water and on the last one there was a bouquet of fresh white lilies. We went out and had a look, and on the stone where the flowers were, there was a photograph of Madeleine.
'There was no note or anything and it was all very strange.'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12131383/Police-searched-reservoir-Maddie-McCann-case-British-couple-discovered-shrine-her.html
That photo looks very intact for something sitting so close to water. And some of the the flowers are not opened.
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That photo looks very intact for something sitting so close to water. And some of the the flowers are not opened.
The flowers were left at Christmas 2007, so was presumably the photo taken.
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No, why would I mean that? Do you think if GA had remained on the case he would have listened to Correia’s tip off? Please be serious.
Oh come ......on, how can you be serious about this latest farce.
It has more holes in it literally than a kiddie's play area on a beach....[what was the need for such small holes.]
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Oh come ......on, how can you be serious about this latest farce.
It has more holes in it literally than a kiddie's play area on a beach....[what was the need for such small holes.]
It doesn't take much of a hole to bury a plastic bin liner. And we have no idea of what the investigation took from those holes.
I am also getting very fed up with the insults. I try not to interfere with honest opinions, but the insults are entirely unnecessary.
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Oh come ......on, how can you be serious about this latest farce.
It has more holes in it literally than a kiddie's play area on a beach....[what was the need for such small holes.]
Small holes are for forensic soil analysis
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Oh come ......on, how can you be serious about this latest farce.
It has more holes in it literally than a kiddie's play area on a beach....[what was the need for such small holes.]
You and others have convinced yourself the BKA investigation is a farce..that's ridiculous
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It doesn't take much of a hole to bury a plastic bin liner. And we have no idea of what the investigation took from those holes.
I am also getting very fed up with the insults. I try not to interfere with honest opinions, but the insults are entirely unnecessary.
What if the binliner was in between the holes then?
surely it would make more sense to dig the area.
It was a hippy area....so you would assume a lot was buried in the sand.
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What if the binliner was in between the holes then?
surely it would make more sense to dig the area.
It was a hippy area....so you would assume a lot was buried in the sand.
This Comment doesn't make sense. The Investigation was being run by Professionals. They would have been taking care.
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Oh come ......on, how can you be serious about this latest farce.
It has more holes in it literally than a kiddie's play area on a beach....[what was the need for such small holes.]
How big should the holes have been in your view?
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That photo looks very intact for something sitting so close to water. And some of the the flowers are not opened.
Laid by a friend, associate or someone who was familiar with Brueckner at the Arade reservoir and knew what he was capable of? Female perhaps, as floral tributes are more their thing?
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This Comment doesn't make sense. The Investigation was being run by Professionals. They would have been taking care.
OK
This dig it seems is between HCW..........and anything he can find on CB.
Nothing I believe to do with Maddie.
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You and others have convinced yourself the BKA investigation is a farce..that's ridiculous
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Where finding out what happened to Maddie is concerned.......... I believe it is,
Investigators searching a reservoir for clues in the Madeleine McCann case have been looking for a gun and camcorder stolen from prime suspect Christian Brueckner's house.
A criminal informer tipped off German prosecutors that items taken in the 2007 raid at Brueckner's isolated home were then thrown into the reservoir.
Police are desperate to find the video camera as they believe it may contain images of Madeleine, but also of other sex attacks Brueckner is said to have carried out on at least two unidentified women.
The informer has backed up information from key witnesses Manfred Seyferth and another man called Helge Busching, who have already told German investigators they broke into the house while Brueckner was in jail.
Seyferth said the pair had found a gun and a video camera at the isolated house in Foral where Brueckner lived, a few miles from the reservoir at Silves on Portugal's Algarve, the focus of the latest police search.
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Where finding out what happened to Maddie is concerned.......... I believe it is,
Investigators searching a reservoir for clues in the Madeleine McCann case have been looking for a gun and camcorder stolen from prime suspect Christian Brueckner's house.
A criminal informer tipped off German prosecutors that items taken in the 2007 raid at Brueckner's isolated home were then thrown into the reservoir.
Police are desperate to find the video camera as they believe it may contain images of Madeleine, but also of other sex attacks Brueckner is said to have carried out on at least two unidentified women.
The informer has backed up information from key witnesses Manfred Seyferth and another man called Helge Busching, who have already told German investigators they broke into the house while Brueckner was in jail.
Seyferth said the pair had found a gun and a video camera at the isolated house in Foral where Brueckner lived, a few miles from the reservoir at Silves on Portugal's Algarve, the focus of the latest police search.
You shouldn't take what you read in the papers as being true..the camcorder was found and lost before May 2007..,and therefore couldn't have photos of Maddie
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You shouldn't take what you read in the papers as being true..the camcorder was found and lost before May 2007..,and therefore couldn't have photos of Maddie
Who's head is that rolling D........HCW
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Small holes are for forensic soil analysis
Chances are it will not be anything of Maddies ...but could be of some interest to HCW regarding CB and other crimes.
All in the name/publicity of what happened to Maddie ....it seems
number of items were seized as part of the operation. These will be evaluated in the coming days and weeks. It is not yet possible to say whether some of the items are actually related to the Madeleine McCann case.