Can we at least work out who moved the Twins?

[Robittybob1]

Since it has become impossible to work out where the twins were moved to when the PJ first requested they be moved can we at least work out who moved them?

Lots of reports were that the twins did not wake up, so we can be sure they didn't walk up to the Payne's apartment themselves.

One would think that Kate should be the most aware of who moved the twins.

I think I have the solution now that I read what Kate says.  -  Could it have been Emma Knight and Lyndsay Johnson who carried the twins for Kate?


So the staff put up two extra cots ....  "So the staff put up two extra cots in Fiona and David’s apartment and we carried a sleepy Sean and Amelie into their sitting room......I lowered myself down on to the couch with Fiona. She took a twin from me and we both sat there hugging my children. [madeleine]"

Could the "we" be the staff helping Kate who's statements are silent on these matters?

[Venturi Swirl]

Can I ask why it matters?

[Robittybob1]

That quote from Kate's book strongly corroborates Emma Knight's statement:

"Quite a bit later that night I remember the police asking everyone to leave the apartment. I received a call from John informing me that he had arranged for another apartment for the McCanns. I went to reception and helped Lyndsey to move the two cots to the new apartment

The McCanns went to the new apartment and I remember seeing Kate and Mrs Payne seated on the sofa, each holding one of the twins. I left the new apartment at 04.30 in the morning after instructions from John Hill. I was the last to leave, the police had already left, but I left my number saying that I was available for anything that might be needed.

[Robittybob1]

Can I ask why it matters?

It matters since SY were unable to solve this case.    I think Lyndsay Johnson needs speaking to. 

[Robittybob1]

It matters since SY were unable to solve this case.    I think Lyndsay Johnson needs speaking to.

Why does Lyndsay Johnson file start off like this "Lindsay Jayne J.'s interview.
We return to our case file. Lindsay J.'s interview took place on May 6th 2007.
This interview is interesting for several reasons. Lindsay J is manager of the KIDS CLUB.

In the matter at hand, it is stated that:"

What really annoys me is I never know how to spell her first name or her surname.

I think Lyndsay Jayne Johnson is the most official

but we have at least 6 variations on that. Jayne, Jane and Lane
Lyndsay, Lindsay.
 Johnston, Johnson

"The informant did not notice any other suspicious or unusual situations which might be related directly or indirectly to Madeleine McCann's disappearance.

After reading in the company of the interpreter, who explains to her, having nothing else to add, she goes on and signs."

That just about crosses out her carrying one of the twins.

[Robittybob1]

There are just too many inconsistencies in the statements from the OC MW managerial staff. 

To bring the new cots and mattress around to the Payne's apartment the staff would need a vehicle.  Who has mentioned turning up in a vehicle outside Block 5 before? (Other than the GNR, the PJ and the laundry man.)

Emma admits going over to see Lyndsay to help her pick up the items so does that mean at least two of them were travelling in that "van"?  Would the Mattress be brought up the lift or up the stairs?

What was in the lift when they opened the door?

I had noticed before no one has ever mentioned looking in the lift up to this point.  Was Madeleine's body in the lift?

Was there something else in the lift?  We never saw Eddie checking the lift for cadaver odour.

Just where did they get that mattress and cots from?  How did they get it into apartment 5H?

[Sunny]

There are just too many inconsistencies in the statements from the OC MW managerial staff. 

To bring the new cots and mattress around to the Payne's apartment the staff would need a vehicle.  Who has mentioned turning up in a vehicle outside Block 5 before? (Other than the GNR, the PJ and the laundry man.)

Emma admits going over to see Lyndsay to help her pick up the items so does that mean at least two of them were travelling in that "van"?  Would the Mattress be brought up the lift or up the stairs?

What was in the lift when they opened the door?

I had noticed before no one has ever mentioned looking in the lift up to this point.  Was Madeleine's body in the lift?

Was there something else in the lift?  We never saw Eddie checking the lift for cadaver odour.

Just where did they get that mattress and cots from?  How did they get it into apartment 5H?

Rob I have just posted on one of these threads about the twins but I could have replied with the same post to at least two of them.

Could we keep all of this regarding the twins and their movements to one thread and perhaps someone else split it, otherwise it will lead to duplication IMO.

[Venturi Swirl]

We now have three active threads about the movement of the twins, which IMO is completely ridiculous.

[Robittybob1]

We now have three active threads about the movement of the twins, which IMO is completely ridiculous.

This one is about who did it, rather than considering when and where they were moved.

[Robittybob1]

This one is about who did it, rather than considering when and where they were moved.

I reviewed one of the older threads and found there was a glaring error in a post so I felt it right to correct it.  Sorry about that but in general what was discussed earlier  seems to be very much the same.
I would say the possibility that the persons moving the kids were the staff, is definitely new.
Maybe Kate and Emma moved the twins.

[G-Unit]

I reviewed one of the older threads and found there was a glaring error in a post so I felt it right to correct it.  Sorry about that but in general what was discussed earlier  seems to be very much the same.
I would say the possibility that the persons moving the kids were the staff, is definitely new.
Maybe Kate and Emma moved the twins.

Kate and Silvia say the parents moved the twins out of 5A.
Gerry says he didn't.
Dianne thinks the Paynes might have carried them into 5H.
Fiona thinks the police might have carried them into 5H.
No-one mentions Emma carrying the twins at all, so that's pure speculation.

[Eleanor]

Why is this important?

[xtina]

Why is this important?

Well, I would say.... it's very important...

If they can't work out who moved the twins that night......

What chance have they ever got of solving anything.....

SY, in my opinion, have never looked ......in the right place to ever find out what happened that night......

[Brietta]

Well, I would say.... it's very important...

If they can't work out who moved the twins that night......

What chance have they ever got of solving anything.....

SY, in my opinion, have never looked ......in the right place to ever find out what happened that night......

We are a discussion forum?  We discuss and apparently it is we who have 'lost track' of the movements of the twins.

Or is it your inference that the Portuguese police on the scene on the morning of the fourth of May were so unprofessional that they had no knowledge of what was going on around them during their watch?

[G-Unit]

We are a discussion forum?  We discuss and apparently it is we who have 'lost track' of the movements of the twins.

Or is it your inference that the Portuguese police on the scene on the morning of the fourth of May were so unprofessional that they had no knowledge of what was going on around them during their watch?

The policeare quite clear, it's the group of friends who contradict each other and other witnesses.