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Remember DCI Phil Jones talking about finding the Trainers under the kitchen sink behind the kickboard..... which didn't come to light until the "Leveson Inquiry"....

Well did they actually find them when they renovated the Flat!!!

Because it seemed really odd that they found them in such a place....

So the story goes that they didn't release CJ until after they got the test done on the trainers....

Jones said: "Mr Jefferies was still a suspect in the investigation. There were still ongoing forensic examination being undertaken. In particular there were a pair of trainers that we found in Mr Jefferies's house which were hidden underneath a kitchen unit.

"Those trainers had a blood spot on them. That was analysed, eventually a DNA profile was found and Mr Jefferies could be eliminated. When the forensic lines of inquiry were completed he was fully eliminated from the investigation, which was when he was released from his bail with no charge."

I couldn't understand why it was until March he was on bail.... But I don't believe the trainers are the reason.... But I believe they found the trainers when they started the renovations.... And not when they were doing forensics... (IMO)..

Edit.... How did the Police get CJ, to cooperate..... That is if indeed the Flat belonged to CJ???


https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/mar/27/joanna-yeates-landlord-tests-trainers

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SurfBoards...   I do remember the image of Joanna Yeates with a surf Board... I just assumed that they were rented... but no... To my surprise they apparently lived in The hallway of Joanna Yeates Flat....

Don't remember ever seeing the Forensic Officers removing Surfboards from the Flat....  I discovered the information about The Surfboard from a tweet from Skynewslive...


It was a tweet skynewsgather made on the Judges summing up...

11:54 AM - 26 Oct 2011Twitter
skynewsgatherer
@skynewsgatherer
Greg found an apron in hall by the surf boards, and one of Joanna's earrings on their bed. A recipe for mince pies downloaded on work PC.

We know that the earring was in the bed... Yet the judge tells the jury that the earring was on the bed.... That makes a huge difference if the jury had forgotten where this piece of evidence was...

Being on the bed would go with what Dr Vincent Tabak's statement said about placing Joanna Yeates on her bed...
But we know from Greg's Testimony that he found the earring in The bed... which has never been explained how it got there ...

I am trying to envisage where these Surfboards would have lived in the hallway...  Its not that big the hallway to what is flat1... If the Surfboards lived there .. what about their bicycles and Greg's Skis??

How did Dr Vincent Tabak manage to negotiate the hallway without knocking everything over whilst carrying Joanna Yeates around to his flat??

Dr Vincent Tabak.. doesn't mention the difficulties of the Hallway... You would think that he would have mentioned the Surfboards... You wouldn't miss them.... They are enormous.....

Why would the apron be in the Hallway???

You could envisage the apron being in the Hallway if an attack had started there... But then there would be surfboards in the way... And a scene of a struggle...

Dr Vincent Tabak would have literally have had to knock on her door...or  Press the intercom and the minute she let him in attacked her... for the apron to be in the hall.... It seems more likely she took it off and dropped it there herself on her way out to me...

Another thing that I have thought about... why did the conversation that Joanna Yeates have with Dr Vincent Tabak not include the fact that he was Dutch...??

Neither Greg nor Joanna Yeates had meet Dr Vincent Tabak and would not have been aware that he was Dutch... You would have thought the conversation in the kitchen would have Joanna Yeates asking him where he was from?? And maybe how long he had been in England... What brought him to England... And what he did for a living...

But apparently not.... The conversation talks cats apparently and flirty things....

No talk about things they may have in common.... Their work... when they moved into the building.... No talk about there interests... we just get "flirty and cats"....

I cannot see Joanna Yeates letting a complete stranger into her house.... If she was in need of company.. why didn't she stay at The Ram??

If she opened her door to someone... it had to be someone she knew ....(IMO)...

11:52 AM - 26 Oct 2011Twitter
skymartinbrunt
@skymartinbrunt
Judge #JoYeates resuming summing up now, reminding jury of statement from boyfriend Greg Reardon

So does this mean the information about The Surfboard was from Greg's written statement he gave to Police... Or what Greg Reardon actually stated in court when he was in the witness box??

Because I do not remember any of the papers reporting about the surfboards in the hallway, throughout the trial....!!


http://live-news.sky.com/Event/Joanna_Yeates_Murder_Trial2?Page=1

This link always takes a while to load, then you'll need to scroll down...

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Where in the Hallway did these Surfboards live??



You would expect them to be on the wall side behind the door as not to knock into them when you enter the flat....

They cannot have been behind the door.... The Cat trays are there ....  Then you have the shelf for shoes and a Coat stand... so where did these surfboards live ???

Maybe to the right of the door ... but thats close to the door and if there are two Surfboards they would jut out...(IMO)...

And they are not going to be anywhere near a radiator as they would warp.... (IMO)..

I would have imagined the ski's being in the corner near the door.. I just can't see how you would get two enormous surfboards in that tiny hallway.... along with Ski Equipment and Bicycles.... where is everything going to fit???


lets not forget the plastic pedestal that also was in that Hallway... I can't imagine where abouts that fit in there also...

They included a pair of Jo’s briefs which were on top of a green plastic
pedestal which had been chipped. He later found an earring inside a duvet
and another on the floor under clothing.

Again from a paper mentioning the whereabouts of this pedestal...

Mr Reardon noticed two broken pieces of plastic on a green pedestal in the hallway, with a pair of Jo's briefs on top.

Edit...... If the Forensic Officers didn't remove these Surfboards.. and Greg was apparently allowed to remove his belongings from the flat... why isn't Joanna Yeates surfboard in the Hallway???


 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2050063/Vincent-Tabak-strangled-Jo-Yeates-20-seconds-stifle-scream-arm-her.html#ixzz4qvyGJ4pd

https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/845725/he-held-jo-yeates-throat-for-20-seconds-to-stop-her-screaming/

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Mr Reardon noticed two broken pieces of plastic on a green pedestal in the hallway, with a pair of Jo's briefs on top.

Now I assumed the Green pedestal was Plastic.... But maybe not...

Are the two pieces of broken plastic the "Console"????

The screams were heard 40 minutes before you texted Sonja.
No. I don’t know.
The apron dropped near to the door?
I don’t know?
Shhards of console- did you do that?
I don’t know.
POr of her knickers by the door. Did you put them there?
I don’t know.
Earrings in the bedroom

So are we talking a games Console ??

The apron dropped near to the door?

So where near to the door did the Surfboards live ????


Edit...

Don't leave your board upright leaning against things, all it takes is a slip and it can topple over resulting in cracks and costly repairs. Store it indoors, horizontally with the fins facing up, preferably on a rack and in a good padded board bag where possible. Also it’s best not to store your board when sopping wet as this can cause delamination over time.

So where was the Surfboards... I'm sure they would have looked after such expensive items....



https://philpapers.org/archive/RAMTMT-4.pdf

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2050063/Vincent-Tabak-strangled-Jo-Yeates-20-seconds-stifle-scream-arm-her.html#ixzz1bJKak8dh

http://www.ospreyactionsports.co.uk/article/58/caring-for-your-surfboard

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Here's an image of Joanna Yeates with her Surfboard..... It's massive!!!




Now tell me where next to the door that Surfboard and Greg's Surfboard are going to fit in that tiny Hallway???

  Joanna Yeates is 5' 4" tall ... hazarding a guess that Surfboard looks  about 8' plus...  that isn't,  fitting in no hallway....(IMO)

Edit.... Why would Joanna Yeates and Greg Reardon move into such a tiny little Flat having so much equipment and no where to store such equipment... They are not going to be storing their valubles in the shed....

So.. I will go back to the Bay Window... Did Joanna Yeates and Greg Reardon live in the whole of the ground floor... ??

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Clearly we see in the Hallway a Coat Stand...

So why does Clegg tell the jury it's a Coat Rack????

He took off his coat.
 He hung it on her coat rack.

Coat Rack's are normally hung on the wall creating more room in a Hallway...  And as we know it is a Coat Stand, which would cause Dr Vincent  Tabak more difficulty carrying Joanna Yeates from the flat....

Also those surfboards in the way....

http://www.criminal-lawyer.org.uk/39-CLN-JAN-2012.pdf

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What are the marks on the hallway??

I thought that they were made by The Forensics....  I find them curious as they appear to be at the exact same height and distance apart on both walls....

I wonder what they denote... I have attached an Image which i have circled and one which i have not, so you can see for yourselves what these marks are !!


Edit....  are those marks where some kind of racking would have been for the Surfboards....

If I am suggesting that it is possible Joanna Yeates and Greg Reardon lived in the whole of the ground Floor.. then that hallway could quite simply have been where they stored all their equipment.....

The marks on the wall are too equal to be anything other than something attached there ....(IMO)....

So am I correct in saying The Bay Window belonged to Joanna Yeates flat???

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The more I look at the hallway.. The more I see.....

I must say I constantly get thrown or confused by what indicts that it was two flats and what indicates that it was one flat....

But if it was two Flats then there had to be some sort of entrance to the Bay Windowed room.... For that to be Joanna Yeates...

Anyway... i was looking at more clips and this time I noticed what I believe to be a Hoover in The Hallway next to the shoe rack.... On the video clip there is a Blue Object that isn't in any of the Images of the Hallway.... I have attached an image ......

So when did The media First get to look inside Joanna Yeates Flat??? And who removed the blue object that looks like a Hoover ???

This is not the first time I have noticed items change position.... So if the hoover is there.. where were the cat trays... What did they do with what looks like a Hoover object??  There is no date on this clip... which is a shame ....

I have  shown before pictures of the trainers on the shoe stand changing position... In what should ultimatley be a time capsule... I''l attach those images again ....



First images shows trainers on shoe stand facing in different directions...



Now they face the same way.... ????  This Flat is supposed to be untouched !!


Coming back to The Hoover item.... where are all Joanna Yeates electrical appliances ????

Can anyone identify what i believe is the Hoover.... what else could it be ????

http://www.gettyimages.ca/license/656473260

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I thought CJ had kept away from Canygne Road after his arrest... and was held up inside one of his friends homes...

At about 1:14 of the clip.. The Police Officer grabs something near the bushes and briefly looks over and says:

Mr Jefferies Coming back

I assumed that CJ was away from The Property for months... and didn't get his belongings returned till after he was eliminated...  How comes he's there on this day being the day Dr Vincent Tabak is arrested ???


From a newspaper Article :...

But the following weeks became very much more painful, before I started to feel any real sense of restored identity.
Almost as great as the shock of arrest was the announcement that every item of clothing I possessed had been removed from my flat for forensic examination, and the flat itself would remain in police hands.
I had nothing to wear but the clothes I had been given at the police station and, to add to the feeling of disconnection, even my watch and mobile phone remained confiscated.
I was fortunate to be on my way to stay with the same friend who had made the legal arrangements, but as I was driven away by the solicitor there was the sharp realisation of how unbearably isolated and vulnerable I would still be if I had nowhere to go but a bail hostel.
As it was, for three months I moved between four sets of friends whose lives provided the psychological security without which it would have been almost impossible to cope.

So why is CJ turning up at Canygne Road on the 20th January 2011...

How long was CJ unable to go out till after dark???

I was unable for a time to go out, except occasionally after dark, because the press were desperate for the scoop of discovering where I was. More generally, there was the effect on me of nine weeks of waiting to be cleared of suspicion.

If the press were desperate for a scoop... Then why didn't they pounce on him when he returned on the 20th January 2011... As described by the Officer in the clip?????

When finally, in early March, I was publicly cleared of involvement in the murder, my possessions were returned and I was able to return to my flat.

How was he there in January 20th 2011... when he says it wasn't until march he went back !!

Edit...... More to the point... If CJ had said that the police thought that he and Dr Vincent Tabak had colluded.. Then why would the Police be happy he was at the house?? You would think that they would have escorted him.. You would think they would have wanted him clear of the building.... Did CJ's Bail conditions have anything on them regarding returning to the property... Because I would have thought that ought to be the case.... If they thought he and Dr Vincent Tabak had colluded... especially on the day they had arrested Dr Vincent Tabak.....(IMO)...


Double Edit....... The only other option i can think of if CJ is coming back to Canygne Road... Is That..... even though the video clip is dated 20th January 2011.... The footage was taken earlier....  Near the 29th December 2010....

I say this for a couple of reasons.... D.R.A Maintenances.. little transit van is seen in the road.... D.R.A Maintenance.. put the scaffolding up...  In the ealier part of the footage there is frost/snow on the roofs...

So... question.... why would CJ say he never returned to the house if it was untrue????

Which make the more likely option being... That the footage was done on the 29th December 2010 when everyone see's CJ and this being the day that CJ does get accosted by the media in regards to his statement to the Police...

And the 29th December being.. The day that D.R.A maintenance removed the blue door from Joanna yeates flat!!

We now have to ask ourselves... why are the Police putting Scaffolding up around the back of the building ... where Dr Vincent Tabak is supposed to live on what could possibly be the 29th December 2010???




http://www.gettyimages.ca/license/687958442

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25625572

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I will say that from the above post ... That this video must have been taken on the 29th December 2010....

I have attached an image that shows D.R.A Maintenances little transit van parked in the exact same spot as we have seen on the video of the door being removed.....

So... why on the 29th December 2010.... are they erecting scaffolding outside Dr vincent Tabak's flat... 2 days before the Holland interview ????

more importantly... why didn't the media report this ???

So why is D.R.A. Maintenance crawling all over a crime Scene on the 29th December 2010??


On the flat bed truck the guy removes a wheel barrow...  why would they bring a wheel barrow to 44, Canygne Road this early in the day???

Is this when the refurbishment of Flat 2 started ???

Edit.... I'll ask again..... Did Dr Vincent Tabak live in what we have been told is Flat 2??? If they are already starting work on that property , which it appears they are doing... And.... Dr Vincent Tabak is in Holland on the 29th December 2010... when did Dr Vincent Tabak return to Canygne Road to collect some of his belongings??

is the picture of a man entering the main entrance at Canygne Road Dr Vincent Tabak?? therefore putting him as a tenant inside the main building???

 Can't find the image I posted at the mo...

Double Edit.... I have located the image of what I believe to be Dr Vincent Tabak returning to the flat and entering the main door...


The image of what I believe to be Dr Vincent Tabak returning to Canygne Road is taken on the 4th january 2011... after he returned from Holland on the 2nd January 2011...

I have attached another image of the same picture with the date ....


http://www.gettyimages.ca/license/687958442

http://www.gettyimages.ca/license/687958316

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Have we come to understand... when apparently Dr Vincent Tabak was a suspect???

Because I will say Again and again... If the scaffolding is being erected on the 29th December 2010 and CJ hasn't even been arrested at this point..... Why wasn't Dr Vincent Tabak cautioned in the Holland interview as a suspect...?

DCI Phil Jones had stated after the trial that Dr Vincent Tabak was a suspect within 10 days of Joanna Yeates being found.... Have we narrowed it down to 4 days ????

And if so.... what made DCI Phil Jones consider Dr Vincent Tabak a suspect in the first place ??? And at this early stage ????

DCI Jones said Tabak was under police suspicion within 10 days of Joanna’s body being found on Christmas morning.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/280447/Shame-Vincent-Tabak-cannot-hang-for-Jo-Yeates-murder-say-parents


Edit..... Why is Bob The Builder allowed to work on two properties at 44,Canygne Road on the same day??
Now if I was A defence lawyer I would be shouting Cross contamination!!!!!!

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i have found a BBC video of them erecting the Scaffolding at the back of the building..... And yes... Bob the builder is in the frame ....

I don't think the scaffolding went past the edge of the building.... That is why we never see it when the rest of the Forensics are carried out... Because there is always a Police van or car blocking the view down the side of the building....


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-12242228/jo-yeates-murder-inquiry-32-year-old-man-arrested

Edit... look how close up to what is supposed to be Dr Vincent Tabak's front door the Scaffolding is.... (Image 3)

How would he ever get in??????

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From this clip you can see that The Scaffolding stops just behind the building... In the area where if you looked at it face on...Is the narrow part I believe where the staircase of the building is.....

I have attached an image so you can see.... I have circled another images to show where the scaffolding ends ...

This scaffolding could easily have been erected on the 29th December 2010... And we would have been none the wiser.....

http://www.gettyimages.ca/license/655366558



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I thought CJ had kept away from Canygne Road after his arrest... and was held up inside one of his friends homes...

At about 1:14 of the clip.. The Police Officer grabs something near the bushes and briefly looks over and says:

I assumed that CJ was away from The Property for months... and didn't get his belongings returned till after he was eliminated...  How comes he's there on this day being the day Dr Vincent Tabak is arrested ???

From a newspaper Article :...

So why is CJ turning up at Canygne Road on the 20th January 2011...

How long was CJ unable to go out till after dark???

If the press were desperate for a scoop... Then why didn't they pounce on him when he returned on the 20th January 2011... As described by the Officer in the clip?????

How was he there in January 20th 2011... when he says it wasn't until march he went back !!

Edit...... More to the point... If CJ had said that the police thought that he and Dr Vincent Tabak had colluded.. Then why would the Police be happy he was at the house?? You would think that they would have escorted him.. You would think they would have wanted him clear of the building.... Did CJ's Bail conditions have anything on them regarding returning to the property... Because I would have thought that ought to be the case.... If they thought he and Dr Vincent Tabak had colluded... especially on the day they had arrested Dr Vincent Tabak.....(IMO)...


Double Edit....... The only other option i can think of if CJ is coming back to Canygne Road... Is That..... even though the video clip is dated 20th January 2011.... The footage was taken earlier....  Near the 29th December 2010....

I say this for a couple of reasons.... D.R.A Maintenances.. little transit van is seen in the road.... D.R.A Maintenance.. put the scaffolding up...  In the ealier part of the footage there is frost/snow on the roofs...

So... question.... why would CJ say he never returned to the house if it was untrue????

Which make the more likely option being... That the footage was done on the 29th December 2010 when everyone see's CJ and this being the day that CJ does get accosted by the media in regards to his statement to the Police...

And the 29th December being.. The day that D.R.A maintenance removed the blue door from Joanna yeates flat!!

We now have to ask ourselves... why are the Police putting Scaffolding up around the back of the building ... where Dr Vincent Tabak is supposed to live on what could possibly be the 29th December 2010???

http://www.gettyimages.ca/license/687958442

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25625572

The remark "Jefferies coming back" from this Getty video from 20 January is a giveaway. Brilliant scoop on your part!!!

On the other hand, it was obviously CJ's lawyer who advised him, if he were asked, to air a theory that the reason for his own arrest had been a suspicion in the minds of the police that he had colluded with Vincent Tabak. It would sound plausible to the gullible public who believe that the conviction of VT was sound, and CJ is never going to be held accountable for airing his own theories.

However, the police have never given any reason for arresting CJ. Unlike himself, they could be held accountable. To anyone familiar with the sequence of events, it is obvious that CJ was arrested and then held on bail for so long so as to silence him - to ensure that he never revealed the full contents of his 2nd witness statement.

CJ was longing to get back to his own property, and as soon as his lawyer heard that someone else had been arrested for the murder of Joanna Yeates, he must have contacted Ann Reddrop and told her that his client must be allowed into 20 Canynge Road, or he would haul her into court.

I refer anyone who wants to assert that "they" would never do something like that to any of the millions of people who regard Charles Dickens as a distinguished novelist, and "A Tale of Two Cities" as one of his masterpieces, and who did not at once dismiss the story on this very basis, as soon as the reached the bit where a respectable middle-class character was thrown into prison to prevent his witness testimony from being heard.

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Another image I am staring to ask questions about is this image of Dr Vincent Tabak in Cotham....



This image shows more of the picture and surroundings......  I'm now thinking this is actually outside  Aberdeen Road, and not outside a store as has been said.... Look at the bins to his left...

I wouldn't imagine the Police checking all the shops in Cotham just incase Dr Vincent Tabak had to happen past them.... So I am almost certain that the image of Dr Vincent Tabak is of him on the drive at Aberdeen Road....


The car to his right looks like it's parked on the paved drive....