The Defence Will State Their Case

[mrswah]

Yes, I am able to view the pictures on the link!

I, too, have asked the question re lack of  fingerprints and DNA on Joanna's neck, and the reply was that VT must have been wearing gloves! I disagreed, as there was talk of finger marks on her neck.

The flat must have been full of various people's DNA and fingerprints, yet, as we know, there was no mention in court of any belonging to VT. Greg testified that the flat was in a mess when he arrived home on the Sunday night, so we cannot say that Joanna's killer did a good job at cleaning up.

So, I have to conclude (and I know I have said this before):

If Joanna was killed in her flat, it can't have been VT who killed her.

If VT did kill her, he did so elsewhere.

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I suppose we should be slightly contented that at least tweets were allowed from this trial... Because alot of the apauling behaviour that took place could quite as easily have been hidden for ever...

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Jim Old
@SkyFixer69
Police asked if they believe #JoannaYeates flirted with VT. They believe she was killed v soon after getting home. A matter of mins.

Were back to Phil again....
Phil what did you actually know in this case that your not letting on about????? 

Why are you so sure that Joanna Yeates was killed within a matter of minutes of getting home to her flat....  What tendencies did Dr Vincent Tabak present to have you believe that he woke up one morning and thought, at the first opportunity i am going to kill my neighbour????

The trouble with that statement Phil is it brings in to question other issues.....

If Dr Vincent Tabak was supposed to have killed Joanna Yeates within a matter of minutes of getting home.... Did he have time to take his coat off???
She must have been covered in fibres and his coat would have had DNA all over it Phil... surely!!

If you are so certain that Joanna Yeates was killed within a matter of minutes of getting home, do you know who really killed her ????  It's a fair question Phil... 

You see... Dr Vincent Tabak would have had to have been in the flat waiting for her.... And as there was No signs of forced entry how did he get in????

What do you know about someone laying in wait for Joanna Yeates Phil????

 Phil....  sounds like we're friends I might go back to calling you DCI Jones... Or maybe just Mr Jones..... Or should I call you Jones.... Just like Brotherton... He didn't deserve a title either .....  And we know why that is don't we Jones....

No....... I think just stick with Phil for now, even though you are #notmybuddy

Where were we... Oh yes... Joanna Yeates being murdered within minutes of getting home... Now someone she knows has to be in her flat Phil... That is obvious... Because The prosecution have stated that she had started to get comfortable, well that tends to tell me that either a stranger was lying in wait... Or someone she knew was already there.....

If the attack was immediate it tells me that who ever killed her knew her and was angry with her..... Wouldn't you agree??

Now if a stranger was lying in wait.... There had to be a "Motive".... (lets face it Dr Vincent Tabak didn't have one...)
And what possible motive was there Phil..... No robbery.... No sexual assault.... No nothing....!!

So unless you KNOW THE REAL MOTIVE Phil.... We as mere mortals just have to hazzard a guess....

Oddly I remember that at your press conferences you had No Idea when she was killed and no idea where she was killed .... So.. was that a bare faced untruth????  Did you know what happened to Joanna Yeates ????

And if that is the case... Why didn't the evidence against Dr Vincent Tabak support that ???? Why did you have to remove all the Time Stamps from all of the CCTV images ????  Why didn't you have phone signals putting Dr vincent Tabak in the vicinity of Longwood Lane?? Why was there NO REAL EVIDENCE Phil??

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Jim Old
@SkyFixer69
In other words, he fabricated much of what happened in the flat. #JoannaYeates #VincentTabak

That whole story that was told on the witness stand was one complete fabrication...(IMO)... wasn't it !!! Dr Vincent Tabak never entered that flat did he !! You know that is true don't you.... You know something about Joanna Yeates death that you are not letting on about... And it's not that Dr Vincent Tabak killed Joanna Yeates either ...Is it...(IMO)..

What happened in late December to make you decide that Dr Vincent Tabak was going to be your man.... You had no real reason to believe that he killed her at that point.... Something took place that made you rush to put someone away for this crime.... (IMO)... And as you said your self Phil.... 

"Dr Vincent Tabak was a very Placid Individual , very easy to deal with...." Was it easy to confuse a Forgein National Phil??  A man that had trusted our system, a man that came to our country believing we were fair and just....

A man that had no connection to Joanna Yeates...... (or did he ??)  Yet you decide that Low-Copy DNA will do the trick.....

I am amazed that most people haven't seen through this bag of tricks that was used for the public.... That slight of hand trick whilst appealing for information you weren't using....When all the time you were planning your case against Dr Vincent Tabak.... (IMO)....

Oh yes, before I forget.... That video clip from Crime watch... The one where Dr Vincent Tabak's car is seen arriving in the evening outside 44, Canygne Road.... Did you invite him around for something, so they could catch his car on video???? Because you didn't actually manage to catch that car anywhere else did you Phil.... No No No.... we have  Camera's on so many roads... ASDA car park... yet Dr Vincent Tabak's car isn't there.....

Phil... Now..... I would even go so far as to say that car didn't even belong to Dr Vincent Tabak or Tanja Morson...  Seeing as who ever was driving it didn't know where to park in their own car park..... But that might sound ridiculous to some...... But not quite as ridiculous as you building a case against a Dutch man on a tiny sample of Low-Copy DNA.....

What do you say Phil???? 



http://live-news.sky.com/Event/Reaction_on_verdict_over_Yeates_death?Page=2

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Most of those video clips I only watched .. I don't put the sound on.... on my computer....( Maybe I should)..

In this clip.. The forensics Lady Is giving "Bob The Builder" Instructions.....  She says something like....

Hey Ken... Or Decan.....

 

Then she says...

Another 15 minutes.....Is that alright..

So why is she telling them they have 15 Minutes???? Is that all they are paying them for???

Is that how long they need them around for the Cameras to capture them moving the door.... I didn't Know "Forensics" was on a timer!!!!!!!

http://www.gettyimages.ca/license/685650006



Edit.... Is Forensic workers actually a term???

Liz Lowman, who lives on the opposite side of the road, said Mr Jefferies told her the three people were coming out of a shared entrance to the house. Pictured above- forensic workers remove the front door from the flat rented by Joanna Yeates and Greg Reardon

 So you can employ anyone as a  "Forensic Worker"....Even Bob The Builder....a.k.a D.R.A Maintenance..!!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/uknews/8231244/Joanna-Yeates-murder-police-arrest-landlord-Chris-Jefferies.html?image=7

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 Quite a while ago now... I had remarked that the catchment was a different colour on the door in the hallway...

I remarked it had been changed..... http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7613.msg385757#msg385757




Whilst looking at Bob the Builder, I discovered that it has indeed been changed..... The original Yale lock was Silver just like the catchment... I have attached an image, and you can also see it in the clip at 1:32 as they struggle putting the door in the van once they have removed it....

Why was the LOCK changed on Joanna Yeates Door???  This could be Interesting, as "The Police say"!!!

Did Joanna Yeates Yale Lock actually work?? I am begining to question that very thought....  Never mind the Blind being Broken... Was the Yale Lock Broken????

I think it's a possibility....

If we go right back to CJ's arrest.... Part of the reason they arrested him was because he had keys to the Flats as Landlord.... And I nearly missed "A Trick " again.......

If Joanna Yeates was happy to let Dr Vincent Tabak in... she would have been more than happy to let CJ in.... So why all the song and dance about the keys???

I think The Yale Lock Was Broken....And they replaced it......  The Jury would have seen how the door was opened, when they came on their visit.. .. So the story about leaving it on the latch.. would ring true to them..... But if It didn't lock... Then how would Dr Vincent Tabak lock the door behind him????? Or if it wouldn't stay on the latch.. He would have needed to leave the door wide open....

That is why I believe they were convinced it was CJ... Because he would have the keys to the Deadlock..... Now I want to make it clear I am not suggesting it is CJ......

However.. The Police have maintained that she was killed in her flat...And they must Know something if they believe that....

So with her keys left in her flat, how would that be possible and the door being locked...???

You have three choices.... Someone had a key to that Flat..... Thats how they gained entry.... They had a key cut to return her belongings.. (meaning someone knew her )...(IMO).....Or... Once they had got inside the flat and removed Joanna Yeates... when they returned with her keys.... They left via the window???

Is that why we see them doing "Forensics on the Widow???? 

Dr Vincent Tabak doesn't mention leaving via The Window..... He apparently leaves via the door.... But how would that be possible if he needed to lock the door with the dead lock... And those keys were still in Joanna Yeates bag??

Is this the reason that DCI Jones knows that what Dr Vincent Tabak says on the stand is not true????  Because he knew someone couldn't lock the door unless they had a key???

There  was no reason to take the whole door if they just wanted to have the latch for finger prints.. And as every Tom Dick and Harry had handled that door any finger prints would be contaminated, with others....


Did they add the door furniture??? Why have a door Knocker on a door when you have an Intercom????

Why have a letter box when there is No opening on the other side ???

If All the door furniture is of a brass finish... why have The viewer silver??

The Dead lock is of a silver colour too..... Image attached....

I think all the Brass Door Furniture.. detracts from the Silver Furniture taking your eye away and then you just see the brass furniture....(IMO)..


So Phil..... I put it to you that the latch on Joanna Yeates door was actually broken...And we know that you changed it!!



I'm sure that the Silver Yale lock is in Evidence somewhere isn't it Phil???

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Before they removed the door .. It actually looks like there is another keyhole....

I have circled it in  the image attached.... They have also caused damage to the door when they have returned... also circled on second image....

There are 3 keys on the key ring....  The Yale key could quite simply have been for the main house!!

Edit..... The only reason I believe we get a view of the keys.. Is to tell us that 'The Yale Lock Works... when in reality I do not believe that it does Work....!!

Changing how Dr Vincent Tabak could manage to lock that Door..... (IMO)...!!

Edit.... Who had a set of keys for that door... Or made a set of keys ????
Did they keep a spare key under the Plant Pot or in the Hanging Ivy????

Or was it even kept in The letter box... that leads nowhere...







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I keep trying to identify the Policeman on the left hand side.... Here he is coming out of court with the person they say is "Brotherton"...

But we have the same Policeman on the right hand side with Rebecca Scott.... Does anyone know who he is????


Why would these two witness's need escorting????


Edit........Don't remember Daragh Bewell Getting escorted to court!!!

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[nina]

Congratulations mrswah. I'm sure you will make a good moderator!

Yes I know I'm off topic!!

[mrswah]

Congratulations mrswah. I'm sure you will make a good moderator!

Yes I know I'm off topic!!

Thank you: I will try!

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On the entrance to the Hallway on this video... There is an ARROW pointing downwards...

Why if the ARROW denotes something did we not see evidence of this in court...

I have attached an image....

http://www.gettyimages.ca/detail/video/vincent-tabak-found-guilty-of-murder-lib-clifton-ext-int-news-footage/656483108

[nina]

Look Nine, if we are to get anywhere with this case, can I ask you to pick a subject at the beginning of the Joanna Yeates or VT story and let's all run with that, at first.

Yes we will all go off on tangents, but we will have a subject to come back to, plus we have mrswah!

You never know, doing it this way may bring results.

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Looking at the external part of the Building I believe that the building has an alarm system... And If I am correct There are sensors all around the flat....

I have circled the sensors and alarm on the images I have attached...... Is the alarm code panel in the little box in the kitchen????

Is this why they say NO FORCED ENTRY???

Is this why they tried to blame CJ.....

Someone who has been to that flat before knows about the system,... (IMO)...  And they did believe that someone was there waiting for her.....

More things point to this being someone she knew ....(IMO).....

So No-one was lying in wait...  If Joanna Yeates was so Security Conscious why would she let in a random neighbour she had never meet????

Why has the alarm system never been mentioned before ???  Not even to say it No Longer Worked... Like the blind being broken......

Who killed Joanna Yeates.... Because I do not believe it was Dr Vincent Tabak...!!!!

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The Incident Vehicle is no longer located outside Canygne Road on the 30th December 2010... I was wonder what type of Vehicle it actually was...

I wondered what could make them so sure about the building and Dr Vincent Tabak being their man by late December??

Had the Police been listening in on conversations happening in the building???  Did they install something in Joanna Yeates Flat?? Did they believe they heard Dr Vincent Tabak say something??

I couldn't understand why they needed to have the vehicle parked outside 44,Canygne Road... It seems a little odd..

What is the vehicle outside Canygne Road really used for ???

My two options are:... It's there eavesdropping...

Or.... It's there to coordinate some kind of hostage situation....

After all her mum thought she had been abducted..... can anyone else shed some light on this vehicle...

I believe the major problem I have is that there are no identifying marks on this vehicle.... and normally there are....



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[mrswah]

I would guess that the incident vehicle was there to encourage neighbours who might know something to talk to the police . 

However, I don't know why it was gone by 30th December. Perhaps they thought they had solved the case!

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I found this interview with William Clegg QC which fails to mention his most "High Profiled Public Media Case"...

He nearly convinced me with his verbal CV.... But William I know better!!

Leading Criminal Barrister | Top Criminal QC Bill Clegg

Leading Criminal-Barrister
Published on Jun 18, 2013

My work covers the full range of criminal work from cases that are perhaps more serious to come before the Criminal Courts. To cases that some people might regard as trivial.

But em... Those other case.. em may be trivial when compared with the em, serious cases that I have undertaken, but too the individuals involved they often represent the most important decisions in their lives.

Em.. I presume I have been instructed in a number of very high profile cases.Em.. over the years.. em those that have attracted, em.. national publicity would include probably, the defence of Barry george who was charged with the murder of Jill Dando television presenter.

And Colin stag who was charged with the murder of Rachel Nickell on Wimbeldon Common em,... also done all the war crimes cases in this country, prosecuted under the war crimes act... Em.. and numerous other high profile cases... Erm.. recently with the defence of SGT Nightingale, who was the S.A.S solider, erm, convicted of bringing back from Iraq in the form of a gun given to him by the Iraqi armed forces.

I presume most of my work is probably still conducted in the Crown Court, before a judge and jury... but erm, I also appear regularly in the Magistrates Court and er, increasingly in the Appeals Court and Supreme Court.

I think it very important when your preparing a case and defending somebody that you work together as a team. And prepare the case to go together, it's vital that the person your representing has confidence in you.

And trust your judgement and that can only be achieved by building up the trust in the weeks and months preparing for any case.

I am happy to have initial consultation with anybody. Em, nobody ought to be concerned contacting me.

Em.... you can't have worked for as long as I have in the Criminal Courts of this country, without, I hope being approachable to anybody from what ever background.

Does that sound like the same man as this:???????

1:  his conduct after Yeates died when he hid the body was “frankly disgusting” and had caused untold anguish and agony to her family.

2:  “I’m not going to ask you to like Vincent Tabak. There’s probably nothing to like.”

3:   And Miss Morson seems to agree, having failed to make a single  appearance at court.

4:  He had told “lie after lie to the police.

5: “did everything he could to cover his tracks”.

6: He added that he would not try to justify Tabak’s actions after her death, saying his client was “living a lie” by attending dinner parties and attempting to carry on his life as normal.

7:  “I’m not going to ask you to have any sympathy for him. He deserves none.

8: “I’m not going to ask you to excuse his conduct. There can be no excuse.

9: “If I was to set out to win a popularity contest I would lose.

10: He told the court: “Of course, afterwards his behaviour is utterly disgraceful. It’s not going to be justified by me

How did he manage NOT to mention Dr Vincent Tabak...  A case that apparently went WORLD WIDE.... The huge case that has caused this thread to be made....

People who may think Dr Vincent Tabak Guilty... really need to look at this and ask themselves the question.... Why did William Clegg QC omit Dr Vincent Tabak from his Interview in Jun 2013 ???

Because for such a Hgh Profiled case and a High Profiled QC.... You would have thought it would have been top of his list.....

So Bill.......Why Not????? How can you fail to mention it?????

I am happy to have initial consultation with anybody. Em, nobody ought to be concerned contacting me.

Well Bill..... I would be afraid to contact you to be honest!!!

William Clegg's website

http://www.premierqc.co.uk/leading-murder-barrister-qc.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=30&v=AUOzGw8KpCs




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[Leonora]

How did he manage NOT to mention Dr Vincent Tabak...  A case that apparently went WORLD WIDE.... The huge case that has caused this thread to be made....

It is a small point, but overseas coverage of this case was actually astonishingly limited. It has never been reported here. Obviously it received great attention in the Dutch media, but ONLY after the arrest of Vincent Tabak. This always makes me wonder how he and Tanja managed to see the arrest of the landlord on TV at the holiday centre where they were staying.