The Defence Will State Their Case

[jixy]

If we go back to the beginning jixy, maybe my remark will make more sense... I have been called names and all sorts on here, then posters chip in to support the remarks that are made about me, even going as far as to suggest I was A A. So I feel it is a valid point I make..

very strange how you keep mentioning that isnt it? no one posting at the moment was even part of that discussion so why do you keep pointing out you arent him or connected to him?

No its not a valid point. You say we are eroding your beliefs. We have ours and we are just as entitled to them as you, more so considering we agree with Tabak dont you think?

[jixy]

One thing i have realised throughout this thread... if its said enough times you expect people to believe it. Doesnt work like that though does it?

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I find this very disrespectful indeed yet you are allowed to post this over and over again!

I am referring to the case against Dr Vincent Tabak...

I am sure there are plenty of things that go on behind closed doors, so I am not to know for a fact what is accurate. What the media choose to publish or not is entirely up to them...

I do not understand how virtually an entire case was published in one form or another in the  media and social media before a trial took place.. And the story on the stand mirroring the information that was available before trial..

That I believe is a reason to question this case, because something new should realistically have come to trial, other than a man saying he did it and how... Based on the media reports of the time..

80 questions could be argued he didn't wish to answer those, or could be argued he didn't know the answer because it hadn't been reported in the media.

We will agree to disagree about this case...

And confessions on the stand should be supported by evidence, not how evidence may be interpreted...
I have interpreted many things in this case.. So concrete facts, real supporting evidence , new evidence, should have supported the story on the stand told by Dr Vincent Tabak (imo).

As the interpretation of a text , I have shown may have a different interpretation...

Missing you loads, I'm Bored, VXXX

Could be interpreted as a person who is giving 3 answers to what has been asked,

* Missing You ( maybe he's away)

* I'm Bored

* VXXX ( could mean Hotel 'V' Amsterdam, as I have posted about)

Therefore, searches, texts, and a tale on the stand do not equal guilt, neither does a partial DNA sample that had no date upon it and could have been from transfer.. A blood spot also having the ability to be transferred..

That is why I keep stating that live witness's were important in this case, and witness's whom lived in the building and with Dr Vincent Tabak appearing at trial, to add some context, at the very least.. To say about his mood , behaviour or anything that happened that weekend..

That is why I ask why CJ or Tanja didn't appear as witness's seeing as CJ spoke to Dr Vincent Tabak on 2 occasions that weekend of the 17th December 2010 to 19th December 2010,.. Tanja Morson too, could have added clarity to what Dr Vincent Tabak stated, as his live in partner, she must have known him better than most..


So we can settle on the fact we disagree..

[jixy]

I am referring to the case against Dr Vincent Tabak...

I am sure there are plenty of things that go on behind closed doors, so I am not to know for a fact what is accurate. What the media choose to publish or not is entirely up to them...

I do not understand how virtually an entire case was published in one form or another in the  media and social media before a trial took place.. And the story on the stand mirroring the information that was available before trial..

That I believe is a reason to question this case, because something new should realistically have come to trial, other than a man saying he did it and how... Based on the media reports of the time..

80 questions could be argued he didn't wish to answer those, or could be argued he didn't know the answer because it hadn't been reported in the media.

We will agree to disagree about this case...

And confessions on the stand should be supported by evidence, not how evidence may be interpreted...
I have interpreted many things in this case.. So concrete facts, real supporting evidence , new evidence, should have supported the story on the stand told by Dr Vincent Tabak (imo).

As the interpretation of a text , I have shown may have a different interpretation...

Missing you loads, I'm Bored, VXXX

Could be interpreted as a person who is giving 3 answers to what has been asked,

* Missing You ( maybe he's away)

* I'm Bored

* VXXX ( could mean Hotel 'V' Amsterdam, as I have posted about)

Therefore, searches, texts, and a tale on the stand do not equal guilt, neither does a partial DNA sample that had no date upon it and could have been from transfer.. A blood spot also having the ability to be transferred..

That is why I keep stating that live witness's were important in this case, and witness's whom lived in the building and with Dr Vincent Tabak appearing at trial, to add some context, at the very least.. To say about his mood , behaviour or anything that happened that weekend..

That is why I ask why CJ or Tanja didn't appear as witness's seeing as CJ spoke to Dr Vincent Tabak on 2 occasions that weekend of the 17th December 2010 to 19th December 2010,.. Tanja Morson too, could have added clarity to what Dr Vincent Tabak stated, as his live in partner, she must have known him better than most..


So we can settle on the fact we disagree..

All those questions have been answered multiple times by various members. You choose to ignore their posts

The reasons the 'tale' on the stand sounds familiar to the media posts is because it is REAL

The questions he couldnt answer, he simply DID NOT WANT TO IMPLICATE HIMSELF FURTHER!

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Have been requested to change my username by UK Justice Forum.. so I have done so...

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I am referring to the case against Dr Vincent Tabak...

I am sure there are plenty of things that go on behind closed doors, so I am not to know for a fact what is accurate. What the media choose to publish or not is entirely up to them...

I do not understand how virtually an entire case was published in one form or another in the  media and social media before a trial took place.. And the story on the stand mirroring the information that was available before trial..

That I believe is a reason to question this case, because something new should realistically have come to trial, other than a man saying he did it and how... Based on the media reports of the time..

80 questions could be argued he didn't wish to answer those, or could be argued he didn't know the answer because it hadn't been reported in the media.

We will agree to disagree about this case...

And confessions on the stand should be supported by evidence, not how evidence may be interpreted...
I have interpreted many things in this case.. So concrete facts, real supporting evidence , new evidence, should have supported the story on the stand told by Dr Vincent Tabak (imo).

As the interpretation of a text , I have shown may have a different interpretation...

Missing you loads, I'm Bored, VXXX

Could be interpreted as a person who is giving 3 answers to what has been asked,

* Missing You ( maybe he's away)

* I'm Bored

* VXXX ( could mean Hotel 'V' Amsterdam, as I have posted about)

Therefore, searches, texts, and a tale on the stand do not equal guilt, neither does a partial DNA sample that had no date upon it and could have been from transfer.. A blood spot also having the ability to be transferred..

That is why I keep stating that live witness's were important in this case, and witness's whom lived in the building and with Dr Vincent Tabak appearing at trial, to add some context, at the very least.. To say about his mood , behaviour or anything that happened that weekend..

That is why I ask why CJ or Tanja didn't appear as witness's seeing as CJ spoke to Dr Vincent Tabak on 2 occasions that weekend of the 17th December 2010 to 19th December 2010,.. Tanja Morson too, could have added clarity to what Dr Vincent Tabak stated, as his live in partner, she must have known him better than most..


So we can settle on the fact we disagree..

I know little about this case other than when it first happened an entirely innocent man was hung out to dry on the grounds that he didn't fit with the public view -courtesy of the media- of what "normal" looked like. What followed was a Dutchman being arrested, charged, and having admitted his guilt -possibly with the belief that if he admitted murder his nefarious interest in violent/child abuse porn would go unnoticed and he and his fellow "enthusiasts", which I'm certain are legion, would remain undetected- taken to court and convicted. End of!

What I find SO fascinating lays in the immediacy, NOT of the case, but in the mind-set of someone who appears to have involved themself in the aftermath to a degree where it's taken over reason and left them incapable of debate. How do you expect that those with a modicum of intelligence will view your claim of innocence of a man who's admitted his guilt? Just how do you expect to be taken seriously when the best you can put forward is the claim that a message to his girlfriend means he must have known his victim? How can you possibly MISinterpret, in the way you've chosen to, "VXXX"? My own, as, I'm certain, are countless others, are similar enough to it to make no difference! As for trying to attach any other meaning to "Missing you loads. I'm bored"!!!!!!!! Why WOULD that be an answer to questions unless the questions were A) Are you missing me? B) How are you feeling? The way in which you try to attribute other meanings does rather suggest a somewhat devious thought process. It's a well known and accepted fact that some of those who've excelled in certain 'professions' make excellent profilers who, because they can get into others' mind-sets, often assist the police in their work. Sadly, you're too late. One such may well have been used to point police in the right direction. The suspect admitted his guilt. Case solved.

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I know little about this case other than when it first happened an entirely innocent man was hung out to dry on the grounds that he didn't fit with the public view -courtesy of the media- of what "normal" looked like. What followed was a Dutchman being arrested, charged, and having admitted his guilt -possibly with the belief that if he admitted murder his nefarious interest in violent/child abuse porn would go unnoticed and he and his fellow "enthusiasts", which I'm certain are legion, would remain undetected- taken to court and convicted. End of!

What I find SO fascinating lays in the immediacy, NOT of the case, but in the mind-set of someone who appears to have involved themself in the aftermath to a degree where it's taken over reason and left them incapable of debate. How do you expect that those with a modicum of intelligence will view your claim of innocence of a man who's admitted his guilt? Just how do you expect to be taken seriously when the best you can put forward is the claim that a message to his girlfriend means he must have known his victim? How can you possibly MISinterpret, in the way you've chosen to, "VXXX"? My own, as, I'm certain, are countless others, are similar enough to it to make no difference! As for trying to attach any other meaning to "Missing you loads. I'm bored"!!!!!!!! Why WOULD that be an answer to questions unless the questions were A) Are you missing me? B) How are you feeling? The way in which you try to attribute other meanings does rather suggest a somewhat devious thought process. It's a well known and accepted fact that some of those who've excelled in certain 'professions' make excellent profilers who, because they can get into others' mind-sets, often assist the police in their work. Sadly, you're too late. One such may well have been used to point police in the right direction. The suspect admitted his guilt. Case solved.

Case maybe solved but is the right culprit in prison?

The point I am trying to make about what I interpret, is.... If I myself am not a professional in any sense of the word, can look at this case and question so many aspects, then why didn't all these aspects get investigated fully in the first place?

I am not interested in what a profiler has to say, to be honest, that is their opinion based on what? 
Their interpretation..

As a profiler in a case where social media is massively important, then the profiler has to have a complete understanding of said social media, not just that, an understanding of what said texts may mean, and an understand of quirks that may apply to people of different Nationalities... In my opinion of course..

[Real justice]

Deflecting again hmm. Of course they brought it back up. All part of the game!

Maybe a LITD company

[Real justice]

Case maybe solved but is the right culprit in prison?

The point I am trying to make about what I interpret, is.... If I myself am not a professional in any sense of the word, can look at this case and question so many aspects, then why didn't all these aspects get investigated fully in the first place?

I am not interested in what a profiler has to say, to be honest, that is their opinion based on what? 
Their interpretation..

As a profiler in a case where social media is massively important, then the profiler has to have a complete understanding of said social media, not just that, an understanding of what said texts may mean, and an understand of quirks that may apply to people of different Nationalities... In my opinion of course..

Sleep tonight NB the right person is locked up, our children are safe from this monster

[jixy]

I am referring to the case against Dr Vincent Tabak...


Therefore, searches, texts, and a tale on the stand do not equal guilt, neither does a partial DNA sample that had no date upon it and could have been from transfer.. A blood spot also having the ability to be transferred..

All make believe .. so just how does all this happen then? the blood spot? all these accidents and yet he admits his guilt apologises and then stays quiet

If the blood spot in the boot belonged to one of your loved one, Im guessing it would then be no accident!

[Real justice]

Have been requested to change my username by UK Justice Forum.. so I have done so...

Doesn't suit you NB ha ha, BILLY is better or PHIL or DOTTY 

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Doesn't suit you NB ha ha, BILLY is better or PHIL or DOTTY 

Billy? = Policemans truncheon

Phil= makes me think DCI Phil Jones

Dotty= This case is mental...

[Real justice]

It started back here....

As I keep saying I have no idea whom he is or was....

Well most posters wasn’t here then NB, so you bought a name up from the past and expect others not to comment, you call yourself the most outrageous names and expect sympathy, you make the most outrageous comments and expect posters to fall in line and not question, NOT ON THIS WATCH IM AFRAID

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Again...these posts should be deleted.  You are getting a thrill out of this but if we started posting about this we would be banned or at least everything edited away. you do it . Why?
No one is talking about this. Looks like you have something to prove or is it disprove?

There is a great thread out there that really could start a debate. Maybe we should post it seeing as you are so persistent?

Please expand as I have no idea what you are talking about?

[jixy]

Please expand as I have no idea what you are talking about?

You have no idea what I am talking about ... its you who is doing the talking about something you say is nothing to do with you

a bit like the Tabak case???