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jixy

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #4830 on: June 03, 2019, 09:00:02 AM »
Yes... I went back to the report....

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/oct/31/attorney-general-tweet-tabak-porn


It was feared that if the jury knew of Tabak's interest in such material it would be unfairly prejudiced against him and make a fair trial impossible.

What this one little tweet... One little tweet all on it own, prejudicing a trial.... Did they forget about the thousands upon thousands of tweets and retweets that stated day in and day out that Dr Vincent Tabak had pled guilty to Manslaughter

And:..

Day in and Day out The word "MANSLAUGHTER" was tweeted across the twitterspher, day in and Day out the media were allowed to tweet this case, day in and day out thousands of followers saw the tweets and Retweets of many media reporters, day in and day out, friends and neighbours following this case tweeted about the trial...

Thousand upon thousand of thousands of tweets, telling the world that Dr Vincent Tabak pled guilty to manslaughter, a daily, hourly reminder that he was in fact guilty....

And apparently the only tweet anyone gives a damn about is a tweet about porn?????

Jurors like anyone may use twitter, they may have alerts/notifications set up on their phones, from whom ever they may follow, friends, family, news media outlets, flashing up on their screens telling them day in and day out that Dr vincent Tabak pled guilty to Manslaughter,... Reminding them everyday, that he had to be guilty...

Anything to do with this case, that was tweeted at the time of trial Is PREJUDICIAL to the case..

Any aspect of a case given this much air time will find it's way to the jury, The tweeting of the Assange appearance was different, in as much as the jury were not there as it was a magistrates court...

But Dr Vincent Tabak's case, was a full blown trial, that was high profile, with people from Bristol on the jury who could  not fail to have an opinion about this case...

You are trying to tell me one little insignificant tweet would prejudice a trial, but hundreds of thousands of tweets about the case would not???

Tweets reminding us daily that Dr Vincent Tabak pled guilty to MANSLAUGHTER...

And I am supposed to accept this as ok... Everyone is supposed to accept this as OK???

do you actually believe what you have just written? no wonder you are still posting after so long but never actually moving forward

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #4831 on: June 03, 2019, 09:24:04 AM »
And just a little reminder about whom was instrumental in having this case social media based...

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Joanna police launch Facebook plea

Detectives investigating the murder of Joanna Yeates have launched a national campaign on Facebook to appeal for witnesses.

PUBLISHED: 03:36, Tue, Jan 4, 2011

Avon and Somerset Police have placed an advert on the popular social networking site, appealing for help, in the hope of catching the landscape architect's killer.

The 25-year-old's snow-covered body was found on Christmas morning by a couple walking their dogs just three miles from her home in the Clifton area of Bristol.

Detective Chief Inspector Phil Jones, who is leading the murder investigation, said: "The majority of people these days are spending time on Facebook and other social networking sites.

"This has become part of everyday routine for many people. This advert allows us to point people to special features on our website with all the latest information, it allows them to contact the incident room direct online rather than calling in.

"I would once again urge anyone who may have not contacted my team and may have information that could help this inquiry to contact us. Let us decide if this information is significant."

Meanwhile, crime scene investigators were at Miss Yeates's flat, using advanced forensic techniques to examine the scene. There was a sign outside the building in Canynge Road saying "Do not enter, dangerous chemicals."

Avon and Somerset Police have successfully used Facebook in several other high-profile cases. It is a far more cost-effective method than poster campaigns and mass leaflet distribution and, due to the viral nature of Facebook, can be shared much wider.

Scott Fulton, head of e-services for the force, said: "Social media is growing rapidly and has become a daily factor in most people's routine. On this inquiry alone we have had shares of the story from the force's Facebook page of 24,220. Additionally there have been over 63,000 views of the news updates on our website, a further 18,000 on the dedicated Jo page and over 70,000 views of the CCTV clips on our YouTube channel.

"Through the website we have had 260 inbound messages to the incident room. Anyone can send information to the team this way via www.avonandsomerset.police.uk/jo."

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/221037/Joanna-police-launch-Facebook-plea

260 inbound messages... Do they mean emails??

Now a campaign based purely on social media, a campaign that makes this case different from others, a campaign that was explained to The Leveson...

Based on that fact alone, how can anyone complain when someone , anyone writes or tweets about this case in any form on the internet?

How can it be an issue when Avon and Somerset Police actively sought peoples participation via the internet, where web pages were set up dedicated to Joanna yeates Missing...

No-one really should make a complaint about posts tweets that question this case... As we know that the police being instrumental in encouraging people to use social media, therefore questions , what anyone realistically can say about it now... We know Mrs Yeates appealed for ametuer sleuths to get on board, to report anything significant, any small piece of information...

Well I may be late to the party, but that is exactly what I have done here.... The online form no longer exists, so I have used the an online forum instead, I am reporting what I have found, I am saying what doesn't make sense, I am giving information that may have been overlooked ..

"I would once again urge anyone who may have not contacted my team and may have information that could help this inquiry to contact us. Let us decide if this information is significant."

So no.... I haven't contacted his team, but as I say that form has gone, and there appears to be lots more info that may have been missed or overlooked...

All I have done is use the information from various sources, twitter, facebook, the media, videoed interviews, all available publicly, everyones account I had seen had been open to the public to view... 

So with Mrs yeates appeal still ringing in my ears, and Avon and Somerset Polices own social media appeal, I believe the information I have gathered in one place, may bring to light, this case... If the Police believed that the apparent tweet from Gunter Morson was significant, then everyones tweets and social media posts about the case are significant...

And trying to decipher the context of these social media posts is what I have tried to look at... Along with the Leveson and any interviews on TV people have given... !

jixy

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #4832 on: June 03, 2019, 09:27:18 AM »
Blame blame and more blame in any direction but just not for Tabak. You want to re read your first post of today... play spot the HUGE flaw in your theory. There are many as usual but on this is staring you in the face!!!!! ....

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #4833 on: June 03, 2019, 10:08:26 AM »
They didn’t eventually charge him, they dropped charges,  it happened during the trial

Contempt charges have been dropped over a tweet exposing Vincent Tabak's use of violent pornography.
A blogger allegedly ignored reporting restrictions and sent the tweet during the trial of the Dutch engineer who was found guilty of murdering Jo Yeates.
Because he co-operated and the message was swiftly removed, the Attorney General decided not to pursue the case.
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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #4834 on: June 03, 2019, 10:15:45 AM »
DOESN'T MATTER IF ANYONE TWEETED OR REPEATED MANSLAUGHTER, TABAK HAD PLEADED GUILTY TO THIS, THE JURY WOULD KNOW ABOUT THIS PLEA BECAUSE HE ADMITTED HE KILLED HER, THE TRIAL WAS ABOUT INTENT, HOW MANY MORE TIMES DO YOU NEED TELLING THIS.

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #4835 on: June 03, 2019, 10:39:57 AM »
What makes you believe he wouldn't when you haven't attempted to even ask?

Perhaps you would be served better by being concerned about the victim instead of the perpetrator!


Possibly because I already have asked, and got no reply!!

jixy

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #4836 on: June 03, 2019, 10:42:12 AM »

Possibly because I already have asked, and got no reply!!

Ooh who answers for who

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #4837 on: June 03, 2019, 10:51:09 AM »

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #4838 on: June 03, 2019, 10:56:48 AM »
Ooh who answers for who
Slight slip that’s all Jixy easy done.  @)(++(*
« Last Edit: June 03, 2019, 11:02:00 AM by Real justice »

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #4839 on: June 03, 2019, 11:36:22 AM »
DOESN'T MATTER IF ANYONE TWEETED OR REPEATED MANSLAUGHTER, TABAK HAD PLEADED GUILTY TO THIS, THE JURY WOULD KNOW ABOUT THIS PLEA BECAUSE HE ADMITTED HE KILLED HER, THE TRIAL WAS ABOUT INTENT, HOW MANY MORE TIMES DO YOU NEED TELLING THIS.

And since when has anyone gone on trial for INTENT?

Is this trial a theory? Has someone gotten away with this? It makes no sense, As far as i know you cannot go on trial for INTENT...  That makes no sense whatsoever...


Show me the legal charge of Intent please, and how someone can go to trial because of it!

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #4840 on: June 03, 2019, 12:35:04 PM »
And since when has anyone gone on trial for INTENT?

Is this trial a theory? Has someone gotten away with this? It makes no sense, As far as i know you cannot go on trial for INTENT...  That makes no sense whatsoever...

Hence trial is a bag of Ian Dury's...

Show me the legal charge of Intent please, and how someone can go to trial because of it!

 There was never/has never been a "charge" of intent.  He'd confessed to, and was trying to get away with, manslaughter, ie killing without INTENT. It carries a lesser penalty. Undoubtedly the prosecution wanted to show it was murder, ie killing WITH intent. The trial was about establishing such.
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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #4841 on: June 03, 2019, 12:52:10 PM »
And since when has anyone gone on trial for INTENT?

Is this trial a theory? Has someone gotten away with this? It makes no sense, As far as i know you cannot go on trial for INTENT...  That makes no sense whatsoever...

Hence trial is a bag of Ian Dury's...

Show me the legal charge of Intent please, and how someone can go to trial because of it!

Intent is the difference between manslaughter and murder. One is accidental, the other is intentional.  You seem to understand very little about the end result. No wonder you're going around in circles chasing your tail!±  @)(++(*
« Last Edit: June 03, 2019, 04:20:41 PM by mrswah »

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #4842 on: June 03, 2019, 01:33:53 PM »
And since when has anyone gone on trial for INTENT?

Is this trial a theory? Has someone gotten away with this? It makes no sense, As far as i know you cannot go on trial for INTENT...  That makes no sense whatsoever...

Hence trial is a bag of Ian Dury's...

Show me the legal charge of Intent please, and how someone can go to trial because of it!
In criminal law, intent is a subjective state of mind that must accompany the acts of certain crimes to constitute a violation. A more formal, generally synonymous legal term is scienter: intent or knowledge of wrongdoing.


Killing with the intent for murder but where a partial defence applies, namely loss of control, diminished responsibility or killing pursuant to a suicide pact.

EVEN FAIRY WOULD KNOW THAT, how can you possibly post on a MOJ site for ex number of years and still not understand Law?  Your total lack or INTENT lack of knowledge fails you everytime.
« Last Edit: June 03, 2019, 01:47:11 PM by Real justice »

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #4843 on: June 03, 2019, 01:49:54 PM »
DOESN'T MATTER IF ANYONE TWEETED OR REPEATED MANSLAUGHTER, TABAK HAD PLEADED GUILTY TO THIS, THE JURY WOULD KNOW ABOUT THIS PLEA BECAUSE HE ADMITTED HE KILLED HER, THE TRIAL WAS ABOUT INTENT, HOW MANY MORE TIMES DO YOU NEED TELLING THIS.

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #4844 on: June 03, 2019, 01:53:33 PM »

Possibly because I already have asked, and got no reply!!

I amied by question to the person formally known as Nine. Many arguments here seem to depend on the individual not taking the word of another as Gospel. Nine will only know the answer to the question if he/she seeks it herself. I am perfectly willing to take your answer on-board as I am willing to take Tabak's confession of his guilt. However, I don't believe there was any conspiracy here as Nine does and as such, you can't really answer for him/her.