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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: The Boris Bounce and all the Benefits of Brexit
« Reply #135 on: March 02, 2020, 09:32:31 PM »

Faith can debate without name calling if the person debating is only giving a different opinion. She won't be offended- Unlike some on here,

*slaps your hand to make popcorn spill*   heehee
bully.
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: The Boris Bounce and all the Benefits of Brexit
« Reply #136 on: March 02, 2020, 10:16:06 PM »
No aim here.
So you changed your avatar to this for no reason, it was a purely random choice,  could have been a kitten, could have been a Love Is... cartoon, but it just so happened to be a picture of some anonymous bloke purporting to be a Jew carrying an anti-Israeli placard.  Now what are the chances, eh?
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline faithlilly

Re: The Boris Bounce and all the Benefits of Brexit
« Reply #137 on: March 03, 2020, 10:42:57 AM »
So you changed your avatar to this for no reason, it was a purely random choice,  could have been a kitten, could have been a Love Is... cartoon, but it just so happened to be a picture of some anonymous bloke purporting to be a Jew carrying an anti-Israeli placard.  Now what are the chances, eh?

Oh no the avatar had a point....it just wasn’t directed at you.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline faithlilly

Re: The Boris Bounce and all the Benefits of Brexit
« Reply #138 on: March 03, 2020, 11:08:53 AM »
I tried very hard to see what the issue was with the avatar- someone showing his opinion on a poster- yeah now that is offensive to be fair how bloody dare he!

Mind you calling people who vote Tory- nazis is old hat and couldn't be further from the truth. Hitler actually was a great believer in his aryan race. he was a vegetarian, health promoter in a warped kind of way. He wanted his nation of people to be fit healthy and strong - he built great buildings  motorways infrastructure-no wonder the people loved him (?) if he had just stuck to that he would have been a great leader of all time!...but then the megalomaniac- [ censored word]emitic went to war and let loose his murderous campaign on Jews, gypsies, homosexuals,communists (Bolsheviks) invalids, mentally retarded.

The tories do not have such policies for the people on the UK. so no comparison.

Mind you the Labour lefties (socialists in name) behavior could be compared to Stalin- who slaughtered/starved more millions than Hitler AND started his killing way before Hitler, he never gets a mention. Always Hitler a second fiddler.

 They start with the children indoctrinating them to defy their parents/ become suspicious of other adults or opposing opinions... They are trained to spy on and report family members of 'crimes'  is transphoic a crime? is it even a phobia? is climate change via human input a false to be challenged or shouted down by the kids?

... it starts off small!

Hitler started his attacks on the disabled and the Romanies first because people really weren’t that bothered about ‘others’ who didn’t contribute to their society being targeted. That’s were the rot started...not the wholesale deportation of swathes of people in barred trains. The prototype gas chambers were used on these people, just to see if they worked. The campaign against the German Jews also started very soon after Hitler’s rise to power in 1933 with low level targeting through propaganda, through displacement to the Final Solution. This government have certainly used many of the ‘techniques’ of the Nazi Party, using rightwing media outlets to target ‘undesirables’ for example but I’m not suggesting that wholesale extermination is their aim...that would be daft.

Not sure what you mean about the Labour Party and Stalin but I’d be interested to know more.

And yes...I agree...it does start of small. Over a hundred thousand of this country’s most vulnerable citizens dead as a direct result of an ideological Conservative policy....but it’s easy to turn a blind eye when it doesn’t impact you...and that’s how it works.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: The Boris Bounce and all the Benefits of Brexit
« Reply #139 on: March 03, 2020, 05:45:14 PM »
Oh no the avatar had a point....it just wasn’t directed at you.
Who then were you directing it at out of interest? 
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline faithlilly

Re: The Boris Bounce and all the Benefits of Brexit
« Reply #140 on: March 03, 2020, 07:37:58 PM »
Who then were you directing it at out of interest?

It wasn’t necessarily directed at anyone. Why are you still harping on about this ?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: The Boris Bounce and all the Benefits of Brexit
« Reply #141 on: March 03, 2020, 08:11:32 PM »
It wasn’t necessarily directed at anyone. Why are you still harping on about this ?
Because I can.
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: The Boris Bounce and all the Benefits of Brexit
« Reply #142 on: March 03, 2020, 10:45:04 PM »
Hitler started his attacks on the disabled and the Romanies first because people really weren’t that bothered about ‘others’ who didn’t contribute to their society being targeted. That’s were the rot started...not the wholesale deportation of swathes of people in barred trains. The prototype gas chambers were used on these people, just to see if they worked. The campaign against the German Jews also started very soon after Hitler’s rise to power in 1933 with low level targeting through propaganda, through displacement to the Final Solution. This government have certainly used many of the ‘techniques’ of the Nazi Party, using rightwing media outlets to target ‘undesirables’ for example but I’m not suggesting that wholesale extermination is their aim...that would be daft.

Not sure what you mean about the Labour Party and Stalin but I’d be interested to know more.

And yes...I agree...it does start of small. Over a hundred thousand of this country’s most vulnerable citizens dead as a direct result of an ideological Conservative policy....but it’s easy to turn a blind eye when it doesn’t impact you...and that’s how it works.


We need to  look a lot deeper into the psychology, ideology. Hitler made promises and of which he kept- to bring about a pride and strength to a very humiliated and weak almost bankrupt Germany. It was give a little to some take from others.

 It wasn't quite as crude as you suggest. it was done slowly slowly.  The murder of citizens started with state sponsored euthanasia. it was sold as a kindness to 'put to permanent sleep' those who are deemed as having a defective mental/physical capacity.  This made sense- those poor souls-so no problem there for the populace. The gypsies (who are not not offended to be called gypsies) traveled around so no one would miss them- again no problem for the populace to accept all was ok. The war was revenge pure and simple, the gas chambers were all part of the plan but again many didn't know or would believe they existed- the populace was told they were going to work and live in different areas-no mention of killing or gassing. By the way the British used zyclon B in Their camps first world war. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_concentration_camps

I would assume that if all this was told in a crude manner, before it happened the German populace would be horrified and would not be happy at all about it.  Many Germans and Nazis helped German Jews by hiding them, adopting their children, writing forged papers etc   Many people joined the nazi party as they thought it was for all good  and it was as  seen- until... so not all Nazis were murdering b........s- mainly Gestapo and SS had that temperament and remit of killing. It was seen as a far right wing party but there was moderates as well- who kept  that hidden. 
We as a nation are better educated and know our communities our country is not in the same mind set as the Germans- therefore, I believe your claim the Tories are acting like Nazis is wrong. People who are unemployed  come from many different backgrounds why would they all be deemed as undesirables, more money and help with education is widely offered to those who are out of work.  The Universal credit is a shameful, disgusting service. It was badly thought out and rolled out hurting many people who have disabilities  of various levels. Not a Nazi thing at all. Just some group trying to have a fairer system on the put upon tax payers who can no longer afford to keep the millions to fund services for so many people especially those who cheat the system.  And the influx of illegal immigrants- who then use tax payers money to exhaust a legal system by saying they are refugees.   Some one has to pay! no point in taking money out of children's mouths to feed greedy selfish people.

So we look to the socialists- Labour?  do they or do they not sing fly the red flag? a tribute to the brutal, murderous campaign by the red army. How did that come about? civil war- the poor against the rich?  well that was the start, but then it was  red army terrorising and slaughtering the poor.  The same philosophy as Lenin and Stalin= left wing Marxists. INTRODUCING The thought police, the change in vocabulary, all small things telling the poor they will become better off with the rich out the way.  And it did take  many years for them to grasp they need rich people to create wealth, to pay the poorer to tax them to pay the very poor....Thats capitalism for ya!


"but it’s easy to turn a blind eye when it doesn’t impact you...and that’s how it works."

Yes indeed, and that is exactly what the labour party does- turns a blind eye to those who are in the receiving end of an impact. Which was brought about by Blair  bloodied hands-slaughter of the innocents in Iraq.

It is the labour left who are calling the shots for all the Political Correctness and eco shite we are having to put up with. 

https://schoolhistory.co.uk/notes/the-russian-civil-war/

The Russians also slaughtered  20.000.00 Polish high commanding Military personnel in Katyn, Russia - blamed it on the Germans- but eventually admitted it not long ago.



'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline faithlilly

Re: The Boris Bounce and all the Benefits of Brexit
« Reply #143 on: March 03, 2020, 11:53:43 PM »

We need to  look a lot deeper into the psychology, ideology. Hitler made promises and of which he kept- to bring about a pride and strength to a very humiliated and weak almost bankrupt Germany. It was give a little to some take from others.

 It wasn't quite as crude as you suggest. it was done slowly slowly.  The murder of citizens started with state sponsored euthanasia. it was sold as a kindness to 'put to permanent sleep' those who are deemed as having a defective mental/physical capacity.  This made sense- those poor souls-so no problem there for the populace. The gypsies (who are not not offended to be called gypsies) traveled around so no one would miss them- again no problem for the populace to accept all was ok. The war was revenge pure and simple, the gas chambers were all part of the plan but again many didn't know or would believe they existed- the populace was told they were going to work and live in different areas-no mention of killing or gassing. By the way the British used zyclon B in Their camps first world war. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_concentration_camps

I would assume that if all this was told in a crude manner, before it happened the German populace would be horrified and would not be happy at all about it.  Many Germans and Nazis helped German Jews by hiding them, adopting their children, writing forged papers etc   Many people joined the nazi party as they thought it was for all good  and it was as  seen- until... so not all Nazis were murdering b......s- mainly Gestapo and SS had that temperament and remit of killing. It was seen as a far right wing party but there was moderates as well- who kept  that hidden. 
We as a nation are better educated and know our communities our country is not in the same mind set as the Germans- therefore, I believe your claim the Tories are acting like Nazis is wrong. People who are unemployed  come from many different backgrounds why would they all be deemed as undesirables, more money and help with education is widely offered to those who are out of work.  The Universal credit is a shameful, disgusting service. It was badly thought out and rolled out hurting many people who have disabilities  of various levels. Not a Nazi thing at all. Just some group trying to have a fairer system on the put upon tax payers who can no longer afford to keep the millions to fund services for so many people especially those who cheat the system.  And the influx of illegal immigrants- who then use tax payers money to exhaust a legal system by saying they are refugees.   Some one has to pay! no point in taking money out of children's mouths to feed greedy selfish people.

So we look to the socialists- Labour?  do they or do they not sing fly the red flag? a tribute to the brutal, murderous campaign by the red army. How did that come about? civil war- the poor against the rich?  well that was the start, but then it was  red army terrorising and slaughtering the poor.  The same philosophy as Lenin and Stalin= left wing Marxists. INTRODUCING The thought police, the change in vocabulary, all small things telling the poor they will become better off with the rich out the way.  And it did take  many years for them to grasp they need rich people to create wealth, to pay the poorer to tax them to pay the very poor....Thats capitalism for ya!


"but it’s easy to turn a blind eye when it doesn’t impact you...and that’s how it works."

Yes indeed, and that is exactly what the labour party does- turns a blind eye to those who are in the receiving end of an impact. Which was brought about by Blair  bloodied hands-slaughter of the innocents in Iraq.

It is the labour left who are calling the shots for all the Political Correctness and eco shite we are having to put up with. 

https://schoolhistory.co.uk/notes/the-russian-civil-war/

The Russians also slaughtered  20.000.00 Polish high commanding Military personnel in Katyn, Russia - blamed it on the Germans- but eventually admitted it not long ago.

With the greatest respect MTI it would take me too long to unravel and answer the points in your above post so shall we just agree to disagree. Anyone who justifies the system that has, so far, contributed to over 100,000 deaths of the most vulnerable in our society is someone I’m afraid I’m not eager to debate with.
« Last Edit: March 04, 2020, 10:14:03 AM by Faithlilly »
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline faithlilly

Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: The Boris Bounce and all the Benefits of Brexit
« Reply #145 on: March 04, 2020, 05:28:53 PM »
With the greatest respect MTI it would take me too long to unravel and answer the points in your above post so shall we just agree to disagree. Anyone who justifies the system that has, so far, contributed to over 100,000 deaths of the most vulnerable in our society is someone I’m afraid I’m not eager to debate with.


 https://fullfact.org/health/austerity-120000-unnecessary-deaths/
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline faithlilly

Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Venturi Swirl

"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: The Boris Bounce and all the Benefits of Brexit
« Reply #148 on: March 04, 2020, 08:28:14 PM »
With the greatest respect MTI it would take me too long to unravel and answer the points in your above post so shall we just agree to disagree. Anyone who justifies the system that has, so far, contributed to over 100,000 deaths of the most vulnerable in our society is someone I’m afraid I’m not eager to debate with.

I'm not sure I did not justify anyone at all. We only disagree on the causes/contributing factors and unlike you, I don't support any political party.

 I also pointed out, as you did ask, why people  why  calling people Nazis from a socialist/communist view point, isn't always as insulting as it is intended.

 I pointed out many Germans,German soldiers and those who were lay members to the Nazi Party didn't all belong to the SS or the gestapo.

I pointed out that the red flag flying labour party associated with the uglier side (which is never mentioned) of communism dressed up as a nice thing by nice people.  We see it from their stance on many issues.

So the choice is Nazi vs Stalin  aka Tory vs Labour  if we want to pin names on people.

I don't take sides -I comment on issues which I feel should be debated.
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: The Boris Bounce and all the Benefits of Brexit
« Reply #149 on: March 04, 2020, 08:44:57 PM »
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/austerity-tory-government-theresa-may-philip-alston-un-rapporteur-a8977251.html

Just read this bit....  "I FOUND"

"I found 14 million people living in poverty, rising infant mortality rates, falling life expectancy for some groups, foodbanks springing up everywhere, rising homelessness, and overloaded and struggling schools and police services. Most of these problems are the direct result of government policies. "


I Ask Two questions:

where did you find?
What is your solution?

I see for my self the abject poverty not only of life necessities, food,  clothing, water and  heating/shelter from the elements. But of spirit, lack of ambition and motivation by a great many talented people; young and older being swept up as they are brow beaten by a minority.

 I don't need a 'journalist' to tell me- it isn't news. Is this newspaper prepared to accept that immigration has NOT changed or exasperated the situation? Oh how can that be we are a rich country- so all those seeking to rob it blind tell us.

Over 60 million residents in this country that are accounted for- How many millions in the  slave trade? Pimps, Gang masters  who control/restrain and do not pay money to workers- who work very long and difficult jobs.
Oh who is going to pick our friut and carrots if not the immigrants- oh don't worry, we have slaves that do that anyway!

How many failed asylum seekers. being housed when families with working parents can't get housing?

I could go on, but why bother. other people have their own ideas who is killing the population by stealth.

I have one more question ... why do you think tax paying people, who struggle to make ends meet,  should  give up much needed money for their own families to those who don't deserve it.


'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin