Yvonne Martin - how much information did she really uncover?

[Mr Gray]

Agreed.

What is harder to explain is the mention of a couple.

where does Kate mention a couple

[Brietta]

They... Can be singular..

That is correct in my neck of the woods ... if Kate actually said it ??

[Brietta]

It's funny how people are accused of mishearing or misunderstanding when they say something people don't want to hear, or can't explain.

In my opinion Yvonne Martin was a disaster tourist with neither rhyme nor reason for pushing her way in.  She contributed nothing except to Amaral's ridiculous notion that Gerry was not Madeleine's father which made headline 'news'.

[G-Unit]

In my opinion Yvonne Martin was a disaster tourist with neither rhyme nor reason for pushing her way in.  She contributed nothing except to Amaral's ridiculous notion that Gerry was not Madeleine's father which made headline 'news'.

Whatever your opinion of Yvonne Martin she made statements which count as evidence just as other statements do.

[Eleanor]

Whatever your opinion of Yvonne Martin she made statements which count as evidence just as other statements do.

Yvonne Martin was a nosy busybody who drove several miles in the early morning of May the 4th 2007 and tried to shoehorn her way into a tragedy.  When she failed she then cast aspersions at David Payne, none of which were ever proven.

I can only wonder if she got the sack.

[G-Unit]

Yvonne Martin was a nosy busybody who drove several miles in the early morning of May the 4th 2007 and tried to shoehorn her way into a tragedy.  When she failed she then cast aspersions at David Payne, none of which were ever proven.

I can only wonder if she got the sack.

I think you're expressing your personal opinions there, rather than anything factual.

[Eleanor]

I think you're expressing your personal opinions there, rather than anything factual.

No.  She did do as I said.

[faithlilly]

But did Kate actually say that, or is that what Yvonne assumed if ever Kate had said "they"?

A couple in what sense?

This is what YM said in her statement.

‘ • During the conversation the mother told her that she did not understand why a couple had abducted her daughter. ’

‘They’ could suggest multiple people so why a couple ? YM is quite precise in her language and wouldn't paraphrase what Madeleine’s mother had said.

[Eleanor]

This is what YM said in her statement.

‘ • During the conversation the mother told her that she did not understand why a couple had abducted her daughter. ’

‘They’ could suggest multiple people so why a couple ? YM is quite precise in her language and wouldn't paraphrase what Madeleine’s mother had said.

Hearsay, of course.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

Hearsay, of course.

Which bit?

[faithlilly]

Hearsay, of course.

Just as well we’re not in court then.

[Brietta]

Whatever your opinion of Yvonne Martin she made statements which count as evidence just as other statements do.

One witness statement was communicated in an anonymous letter of the green ink variety.  Not once did this "Child Protection" individual concern herself with the children accompanying the persons she insidiously suggested might be capable of the most heinous crimes imaginable.

Without benefit of referral or inter-agency cooperation this loose cannon forced herself into a situation about which she knew nothing and no-one had the slightest idea of who she was.

Would she have dared to invade a police investigation in any country other than Portugal by latching herself behind an official vehicle and entering an area which should have been behind a police cordon if it wasn't already.

Martin did exactly what a competent professional is trained not to do resulting in freaking out an already distraught woman who nonetheless recognised and was alarmed by the inappropriate and voyeuristic approach of her self appointed interrogator.

Indeed I would go so far as to say her conduct is probably unprecedented by anyone who do not suffer from mental health problems.
She should never have been allowed near Kate McCann.
Her so called 'witness' statements to a situation she engendered without any proper background knowledge or investigation would be treated with the contempt deserved in any competent professional environment.

[G-Unit]

One witness statement was communicated in an anonymous letter of the green ink variety.  Not once did this "Child Protection" individual concern herself with the children accompanying the persons she insidiously suggested might be capable of the most heinous crimes imaginable.

Without benefit of referral or inter-agency cooperation this loose cannon forced herself into a situation about which she knew nothing and no-one had the slightest idea of who she was.

Would she have dared to invade a police investigation in any country other than Portugal by latching herself behind an official vehicle and entering an area which should have been behind a police cordon if it wasn't already.

Martin did exactly what a competent professional is trained not to do resulting in freaking out an already distraught woman who nonetheless recognised and was alarmed by the inappropriate and voyeuristic approach of her self appointed interrogator.

Indeed I would go so far as to say her conduct is probably unprecedented by anyone who do not suffer from mental health problems.
She should never have been allowed near Kate McCann.
Her so called 'witness' statements to a situation she engendered without any proper background knowledge or investigation would be treated with the contempt deserved in any competent professional environment.

You have every right to give your opinion, but others have the right to disagree; especially as you have no evidence to support your conclusions. The fact remains that two people have testified that Kate McCann seemed to be referring to more than one person being involved in Madeleine's disappearance.

[Erngath]

You have every right to give your opinion, but others have the right to disagree; especially as you have no evidence to support your conclusions. The fact remains that two people have testified that Kate McCann seemed to be referring to more than one person being involved in Madeleine's disappearance.

If she had used the pronoun he or she, would you have found that less indicative of whatever you believe the use of the pronoun they suggests?

[faithlilly]

You have every right to give your opinion, but others have the right to disagree; especially as you have no evidence to support your conclusions. The fact remains that two people have testified that Kate McCann seemed to be referring to more than one person being involved in Madeleine's disappearance.

I think her years of working in the profession she did made YM ideally placed to smell when something wasn’t right.