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Alleged Miscarriages of Justice => Jeremy Bamber and the callous murder of his father, mother, sister and twin nephews. Case effectively CLOSED by CCRC on basis of NO APPEAL REFERRAL. => Topic started by: John on January 08, 2020, 07:47:59 PM
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I think it would be useful to have a thread for each part of this production so that those with extensive knowledge of the case can apply some critical analysis. This drama series is being protrayed as a true story so it will be interesting to see how much of it reflects the actual evidence. Enjoy!
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The six-part drama series White House Farm starts on Wednesday 8th January at 9pm on ITV.
On the night of 6th August 1985, five people were gunned down and killed at White House Farm. The victims were all related, including parents Nevill and June Bamber, their adopted daughter Sheila Caffell and her two sons, Daniel and Nicholas.
Police initially believed that Sheila, who suffered from schizophrenia, had committed the murders before killing herself. However, weeks later, her adoptive brother Jeremy Bamber was arrested in connection with the crime and was convicted of the murders in October 1986.
The jury found that Bamber staged the scene to implicate Sheila and receive a large inheritance. He was given a life sentence with no possibility of parole, but he maintains his innocence to this day and his lawyers have made repeated attempts to have the case reviewed.
(https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/tv/2019/12/15/TELEMMGLPICT000219052173_1_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqfrqDXtrcAAwnUc1YpwvbDUg4bSL9VCfB1y5jkYnzm2s.jpeg?imwidth=1240)
ITV’s dramatisation of the story is written by Kris Mrksa (The Slap) and Giula Sandler, with cooperation from Colin Caffell, whose wife (Sheila) and twin sons were murdered.
Mrksa said: "This is an incredibly compelling true crime story, but it's the human dimension of these events that gripped my imagination, particularly after reading Colin Caffell’s book. So much discussion of the case has focused on contested legal details, but I wanted to tell this story in a way that did justice to the devastating emotional truth of what happened.”
ITV Head of Drama Polly Hill, who commissioned the series, said: “White House Farm is a fascinating insight into what happened on that fateful night in August 1985 and the subsequent search for the truth during the police investigation.”
She continued: “Kris Mrksa’s scripts are captivating and perfectly enhanced by the brilliance of Paul Whittington’s direction. I’d like to thank them and the brilliant cast, along with [Executive Producer] Willow Grylls and New Pictures, for making a truly outstanding drama that we are delighted to have on ITV.”
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If the intro and the reviews are anything to go by then this TV drama has been a long time coming and hopefully will dispell some of the crap being put about by Bamber and his entourage.
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A lot of relevant detail being missed out already. The phone call from Bamber to Mugford didn't even feature and it was DS Stan Jones who overheard Bamber and Mugford whispering and giggling and not Ann Eaton as depicted in this 'real' drama.
Not impressed to be honest but it certainly makes DCI Taff Jones look like a right incompetent wally.
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Noticed that they made a point of showing the clock at 3.26am when Jeremy calls the police station...
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Noticed that they made a point of showing the clock at 3.26am when Jeremy calls the police station...
I think they cherry picked certain elements to suit the storyline. I bet Bamber is having a bad night and could well end up in protection when fellow prisoners grasp the depravity of what he did.
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A lot of relevant detail being missed out already. The phone call from Bamber to Mugford didn't even feature and it was DS Stan Jones who overheard Bamber and Mugford whispering and giggling and not Ann Eaton as depicted in this 'real' drama.
Not impressed to be honest but it certainly makes DI Taff Jones look like a right wally.
I have yet to watch it on demand but if what you say is correct then I'm going to be disappointed.
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I have yet to watch it on demand but if what you say is correct then I'm going to be disappointed.
WHF Part 1 here... https://www.itv.com/hub/white-house-farm/2a5719a0001 (https://www.itv.com/hub/white-house-farm/2a5719a0001)
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I have yet to watch it on demand but if what you say is correct then I'm going to be disappointed.
If all you require is cold, hard, clinical facts, I have no doubt that you will be. However, if you want to experience the atmosphere, tensions and emotions of the characters, who've been lifted off paper and become real, maybe you won't.
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If all you require is cold, hard, clinical facts, I have no doubt that you will be. However, if you want to experience the atmosphere, tensions and emotions of the characters, who've been lifted off paper and become real, maybe you won't.
I haven't been following the case as long as some but I still felt that some of it just wasn't done right. The first police responders passing Jeremy Bamber parked up along the road was never included or the events in Chelmsford police HQ which led to that first panda car being sent out. To be honest, by the time it was over I was beginning to wonder if this was the same case and I wasn't in some parallel universe. They certainly went to town and did a job on poor Sheila though and I just have to wonder how much of this was over the top sensationalism or if Colin Caffell had any editorial control on what didn't end up on the cutting room floor.
It would also be interesting to know what Colin, Ann and Julie think of the final version remembering that DCI Taff Jones and DS Stan Jones are deceased.
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Beautifully filmed and fairly well acted, but riddled with faults to satisfy a stickler like me. Much prefer Neil Roberts menacing portrayal of an arrogant Bamber and Diane Keen as a concerned Ann Eaton in the earlier 1993 drama...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QzMvv9-bL0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QzMvv9-bL0)
The real Jeremy Bamber pretended to throw up out in the open at a distance on his own, not in the middle of a crowd of coppers cooped up in a farm barn. The TFU cast entered by the wrong door, the staircase was wrong-handed, and the bullet total (46 or 47) on the kitchen worktop was way over what it should have been (30). I could go on but why bother... as April says, it's the characterisation which is important in a drama rather than pedantic detail.
(https://i.imgur.com/2bvvZH8.jpg)
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Beautifully filmed and fairly well acted, but riddled with faults to satisfy a stickler like me. Much prefer Neil Roberts menacing portrayal of an arrogant Bamber and Diane Keen as a concerned Ann Eaton in the earlier 1993 drama...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QzMvv9-bL0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QzMvv9-bL0)
The real Jeremy Bamber pretended to throw up out in the open at a distance on his own, not in the middle of a crowd of coppers cooped up in a farm barn. The TFU cast entered by the wrong door, the staircase was wrong-handed, and the bullet total (46 or 47) on the kitchen worktop was way over what it should have been (30). I could go on but why bother... as April says, it's the characterisation which is important in a drama rather than pedantic detail.
It's unfortunate that they couldn't be bothered to get these details right because it's going to give Joe Public a wrong perspective of what really occurred. People often believe what they see in these visualisations and then go on unmoderated newspaper websites and forums and spout all sorts of rubbish.
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I haven't been following the case as long as some but I still felt that some of it just wasn't done right. The first police responders passing Jeremy Bamber parked up along the road was never included or the events in Chelmsford police HQ which led to that first panda car being sent out. To be honest, by the time it was over I was beginning to wonder if this was the same case and I wasn't in some parallel universe. They certainly went to town and did a job on poor Sheila though and I just have to wonder how much of this was over the top sensationalism or if Colin Caffell had any editorial control on what didn't end up on the cutting room floor.
It would also be interesting to know what Colin, Ann and Julie think of the final version remembering that DCI Taff Jones and DS Stan Jones are deceased.
Colin has seen the entire series and is happy with the outcome, if he's happy, and he knew her, then I think we have to respect that.
They only have an hour to fit in as many details as possible and it's not a documentary. I thought it was excellent and it finally brought home the horror of what happened behind the pictures we have all seen and become desensitised to.
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Beautifully filmed and fairly well acted, but riddled with faults to satisfy a stickler like me. Much prefer Neil Roberts menacing portrayal of an arrogant Bamber and Diane Keen as a concerned Ann Eaton in the earlier 1993 drama...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QzMvv9-bL0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QzMvv9-bL0)
The real Jeremy Bamber pretended to throw up out in the open at a distance on his own, not in the middle of a crowd of coppers cooped up in a farm barn. The TFU cast entered by the wrong door, the staircase was wrong-handed, and the bullet total (46 or 47) on the kitchen worktop was way over what it should have been (30). I could go on but why bother... as April says, it's the characterisation which is important in a drama rather than pedantic detail.
I think they did a pretty good job with the work top. Obviously they couldn't see or couldn't get everything from the original scene (although disappointed not to see the Whitworths packet @)(++(*). Only people like us anoraks would have counted the shells and I don't think it was specifically made for us.
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I think they did a pretty good job with the work top. Obviously they couldn't see or couldn't get everything from the original scene (although disappointed not to see the Whitworths packet @)(++(* ). Only people like us anoraks would have counted the shells and I don't think it was specifically made for us.
I was mortified to see a pottery 'Belfast' sink instead of a stainless steel one, and a closed sash-window in the master bedroom. 8(8-))
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I was mortified to see a pottery 'Belfast' sink instead of a stainless steel one, and a closed sash-window in the master bedroom. 8(8-))
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I was mortified to see a pottery 'Belfast' sink instead of a stainless steel one, and a closed sash-window in the master bedroom. 8(8-))
I accept that at the end of the day ITV has a budget and must limit the episodes to suit TV viewing. They had to make do with an alternative farmhouse setting and although the two properties looked slightly similar from the front, not much else was the same which in itself must have created enormous production difficulties. I suppose I was looking for a proper reconstruction but will have to settle for something which is similar but different.
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People moaning cos it isnt100% factual with every little detail lol.
It is not a documentary. It is a TV drama BASED on real events. In my opinion it is great TV.
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People moaning cos it isnt100% factual with every little detail lol.
It is not a documentary. It is a TV drama BASED on real events. In my opinion it is great TV.
For sure, but that won't stop Bamberettes kicking up a fuss over every little thing that's wrong... such as Ann Eaton sharing an evening meal with the Bambers and Caffells when she was nowhere near the farm at the time... neither was Colin for that matter.
But my nomination for a BAFTA Award goes to little Nate and Jude Barrowcliffe whose performance outshone seasoned actors such as pint-sized Stephen Graham with his distinctly dodgy Welsh accent.
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Whilst I am very much interested in the Bamber case, I have absolutely no interest in watching this.
Instead, why not make a decent documentary, dealing with facts?
As my old mate said, "this species will amuse itself to death".
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Whilst I am very much interested in the Bamber case, I have absolutely no interest in watching this.
Instead, why not make a decent documentary, dealing with facts?
As my old mate said, "this species will amuse itself to death".
I have to agree Sika, if a job's worth doing and all that...
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People moaning cos it isnt100% factual with every little detail lol.
It is not a documentary. It is a TV drama BASED on real events. In my opinion it is great TV.
Completely agree, it wouldn't be possible to include every detail or it would be as long as the actual event.
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For sure, but that won't stop Bamberettes kicking up a fuss over every little thing that's wrong... such as Ann Eaton sharing an evening meal with the Bambers and Caffells when she was nowhere near the farm at the time... neither was Colin for that matter.
But my nomination for a BAFTA Award goes to little Nate and Jude Barrowcliffe whose performance outshone seasoned actors such as pint-sized Stephen Graham with his distinctly dodgy Welsh accent.
Shhhhhh! No one noticed Ann being there - Colin was though, he stayed for a while before driving back to London. That wasn't meant to be the night of the murders, it was the eveing after Colin took Sheila and the boys to WHF.
I have just seen a new trailer and I think there will be lots of flash backs.
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It certainly makes for riveted viewing but at the expense of reality and it's going to give an awful lot of people a false impression of what actually occurred, who did what, when, where and why. I also fear authenticity has been sacrificed for sensationalism.
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It certainly makes for riveted viewing but at the expense of reality and it's going to give an awful lot of people a false impression of what actually occurred, who did what, when, where and why. I also fear authenticity has been sacrificed for sensationalism.
We've only seen one episode and I don't think it was sensationalist - if anything, certain things were played down.
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We've only seen one episode and I don't think it was sensationalist - if anything, certain things were played down.
Do you think Sheila was correctly portrayed?
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Whilst I am very much interested in the Bamber case, I have absolutely no interest in watching this.
Instead, why not make a decent documentary, dealing with facts?
As my old mate said, "this species will amuse itself to death".
Hi Sika. I agree. I haven't watched the first part yet. I would like to see a programme similar to the one on a few months ago re Michael Stone where a team of experts undertook a review.
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Do you think Sheila was correctly portrayed?
Having never met her, I have no idea BUT perhaps the bathroom scene (as it was poetic licence) was a bit over the top. However, as a drama, they have to build a certain amount of tension and give the viewer the same kind of quandary that the police were in in the beginning.
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Do you think Sheila was correctly portrayed?
Sheila is exactly how I saw her as having been. From how he says it, it sounds as if Cressida bought her back for Colin, too.
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Sheila is exactly how I saw her as having been. From how he says it, it sounds as if Cressida bought her back for Colin, too.
He knew her better than anyone, police included... https://youtu.be/pUn9hIdNDVI?t=109 (https://youtu.be/pUn9hIdNDVI?t=109)
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Hi Sika. I agree. I haven't watched the first part yet. I would like to see a programme similar to the one on a few months ago re Michael Stone where a team of experts undertook a review.
A group of forensic "experts" undertook a review/analysis of JonBenet Ramsey's murder, concluded that her older brother was responsible and ended up getting sued by him and losing.
There's already been a factual documentary about WHF, we don't need any more...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k96gmbXLoMw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k96gmbXLoMw)
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Hi,I'm not that Au Fait with the case although I know J Bamber was found guilty,couple of things thing from the 1st episode is at the birthday party the impression I got was that Sheila was afraid? of her brother certainly seemed uneasy or was there an incestuous relationship,was this correctly portrayed?.Secondly forensics totally cocked up because of the urgency to wrap it up?
What was the reason behind her breakdown?
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Hi,I'm not that Au Fait with the case although I know J Bamber was found guilty,couple of things thing from the 1st episode is at the birthday party the impression I got was that Sheila was afraid? of her brother certainly seemed uneasy or was there an incestuous relationship,was this correctly portrayed?.Secondly forensics totally cocked up because of the urgency to wrap it up?
What was the reason behind her breakdown?
Its often said SC was afraid of JB but whether or not this is an accurate portrayal I've no idea.
SC had a long history of mental health issues and was diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic.
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Hi,I'm not that Au Fait with the case although I know J Bamber was found guilty,couple of things thing from the 1st episode is at the birthday party the impression I got was that Sheila was afraid? of her brother certainly seemed uneasy or was there an incestuous relationship,was this correctly portrayed?.Secondly forensics totally cocked up because of the urgency to wrap it up?
What was the reason behind her breakdown?
Hi, I guess we'll never know if she was afraid of him but I doubt she would have agreed to the lift home if she was that concerned. There is no evidence of any incestuous relationship and I don't personally believe there was. In Jeremy's own words about their relationship on the morning of the murders "I don't like her and she doesn't like me". Sheila had schizophrenia.
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Its often said SC was afraid of JB but whether or not this is an accurate portrayal I've no idea.
SC had a long history of mental health issues and was diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic.
Another thing I've read about a silencer,the gun shown didn't have one in the episode.
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Its often said SC was afraid of JB but whether or not this is an accurate portrayal I've no idea.
SC had a long history of mental health issues and was diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic.
No evidence of any incestuous relationship between anyone involved in the case.
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Hi, I guess we'll never know if she was afraid of him but I doubt she would have agreed to the lift home if she was that concerned. There is no evidence of any incestuous relationship and I don't personally believe there was. In Jeremy's own words about their relationship on the morning of the murders "I don't like her and she doesn't like me". Sheila had schizophrenia.
Jeremy's girlfriend was there when she was given a lift home,so that would alleviate any concerns,perhaps it's just the way its portrayed.
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No evidence of any incestuous relationship between anyone involved in the case.
Has it ever been considered?
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I take it that Sheila and her husband were separated?
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Another thing I've read about a silencer,the gun shown didn't have one in the episode.
The conviction is largely based on the silencer.
First respondents found the rifle across SC's body sans silencer. Soc officers wrapped up the farmhouse within a couple of days and handed keys to JB's extended family who subsequently found the silencer when cleaning/tidying the farmhouse. They inspected the silencer and found debris on the outside which they attributed in part to blood. They took the silencer to their own farmhouse and contacted the police about their find. A couple of days later a police officer, who was a lone wolf in suspecting JB from the off, collected the silencer from the relatives. It was then taken to a HO lab for analysis. The stains were shown to be blood and human in origin. It was then largely dismissed.
The DCI responsible for the case was convinced SC was responsible. JB's relatives were able to exert pressure on top brass to carry out a review. Meanwhile the DCI was replaced by another DCI.
The silencer was then returned to the lab (a month later) and opened up where a flake of blood was found. When analysed the flake was found to match SC's blood groups by way of blood serology as it was before the advent of DNA.
The prosecution argued JB used the silencer throughout the shootings and then when staging the rifle across SC's body found it too awkward with the silencer attached so removed it and placed it in a cupboard under the stairs where it was normally kept (and where the relatives found it). The flake representing back spatter (blood exiting a contact/close contact gunshot wound and traveling against the line of fire depositing in the silencer). How could SC shoot herself and then return the silencer to the gun cupboard?
The crux of the case:
- is the prosecution right?
- given the questionable chain of custody re the silencer was it a reliable piece of forensic evidence or was it fabricated on the basis some thought JB responsible but lacked the evidence without it?
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Has it ever been considered?
Not afaik.
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I take it that Sheila and her husband were separated?
Divorced. They separated shortly after the twins were born in 1979.
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Divorced. They separated shortly after the twins were born in 1979.
Thanks.
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The conviction is largely based on the silencer.
First respondents found the rifle across SC's body sans silencer. Soc officers wrapped up the farmhouse within a couple of days and handed keys to JB's extended family who subsequently found the silencer when cleaning/tidying the farmhouse. They inspected the silencer and found debris on the outside which they attributed in part to blood. They took the silencer to their own farmhouse and contacted the police about their find. A couple of days later a police officer, who was a lone wolf in suspecting JB from the off, collected the silencer from the relatives. It was then taken to a HO lab for analysis. The stains were shown to be blood and human in origin. It was then largely dismissed.
The DCI responsible for the case was convinced SC was responsible. JB's relatives were able to exert pressure on top brass to carry out a review. Meanwhile the DCI was replaced by another DCI.
The silencer was then returned to the lab (a month later) and opened up where a flake of blood was found. When analysed the flake was found to match SC's blood groups by way of blood serology as it was before the advent of DNA.
The prosecution argued JB used the silencer throughout the shootings and then when staging the rifle across SC's body found it too awkward with the silencer attached so removed it and placed it in a cupboard under the stairs where it was normally kept (and where the relatives found it). The flake representing back spatter (blood exiting a contact/close contact gunshot wound and traveling against the line of fire depositing in the silencer). How could SC shoot herself and then return the silencer to the gun cupboard?
The crux of the case:
- is the prosecution right?
- given the questionable chain of custody re the silencer was it a reliable piece of forensic evidence or was it fabricated on the basis some thought JB responsible but lacked the evidence without it?
Interesting,perhaps this'll be picked up in subsequent episodes.
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Has it ever been considered?
Mike Tesko (Jeremy Bamber Forum) stated that Nevill was the twins' father. And last week, he wrote how he wished that he could eat a spicy curry then wipe his "shitty arse" on the Pope's face.
*&^^&
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Has it ever been considered?
I don't know if a sexual relationship between two non biologically related people can be called incestuous.
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I don't know if a sexual relationship between two non biologically related people can be called incestuous.
Like I say I'm not au fait with it,so Sheila and Jeremy weren't blood relatives? it was just a thought after the tv episode.
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Like I say I'm not au fait with it,so Sheila and Jeremy weren't blood relatives? it was just a thought after the tv episode.
They were adopted. They don't share any biology.
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They were adopted. They don't share any biology.
Ok thanks.
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People moaning cos it isnt100% factual with every little detail lol.
It is not a documentary. It is a TV drama BASED on real events. In my opinion it is great TV for those who like true stories and detective series.
It must be difficult for the 'anoraks' of this case though. I watched a documentary a few years back which was factual and made my own mind up he is guilty. However, I agree with Angelo, although pre credits is does tell the viewers it is based on a true story - events and names have been changed. It could give the wrong message.
It is well acted apart from the appallingly bad Welsh accent. It would also be true that sheila who would have been on a sedative based anti psychotic drug would not have 'lashed' out in a frenzied attack.
Things to think about:
Sheila shot herself twice?- Massive clue!
No one was awakened by the frenzied attack on Nevile [Victim #1] therefore a silencer would have been used.
It was proved that Sheila could not have shot herself once never mind twice!
Bamber denied being 'involved' but then claimed he hired a 'hit man' . Professional killers just use one bullet to the heart or head. So he did have a motive after-all, by his own admission.
The phone call farce: did not dial 999 but was hesitant and called local force?
His Behavior.
Just a few things made up my mind.I have yet to read anything to persuade me to change my mind.
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They were adopted. They don't share any biology.
Think a relationship between them would still have been frowned upon; but there is nothing to suggest they had one.
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Think a relationship between them would still have been frowned upon; but there is nothing to suggest they had one.
I agree. I was just clarifying their (non biological) relationship.
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Mike Tesko (Jeremy Bamber Forum) stated that Nevill was the twins' father. And last week, he wrote how he wished that he could eat a spicy curry then wipe his "shitty arse" on the Pope's face.
*&^^&
It's what is known as having a Catlick.
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Oh, and Aunt Agatha, if you're watching, Michael Winner was a maker of FANTASY films and never made one about Jeremy Bamber. You should really avoid being taken in by Teskowski's BS.
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0935382/ (https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0935382/)
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Clive Anderson interviewed Michael Winner -
'Now your films have not come in for any critical acclaim.....ever'.
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A few minutes later -
'Yes I can see why those films were called Death Wish, as I had death wish while watching them'.
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The current ITV series has great potential for entertainment to those who dont know all that much about it, but i think it deserves a real 6 part Netflix documentary. JBs followers are almost a like a cult, and its quite sad. If he admitted it tomorrow, they would still claim he is innocent.
Netflix pull you finger out!
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The current ITV series has great potential for entertainment to those who dont know all that much about it, but i think it deserves a real 6 part Netflix documentary. JBs followers are almost a like a cult, and its quite sad. If he admitted it tomorrow, they would still claim he is innocent.
Netflix pull you finger out!
Of course they would, you only need look at other cases to know there’s a ‘cult’ like mentality
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Oh, and Aunt Agatha, if you're watching, Michael Winner was a maker of FANTASY films and never made one about Jeremy Bamber. You should really avoid being taken in by Teskowski's BS.
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0935382/ (https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0935382/)
Suspect for some of the ‘longer term’ Bamber supporters fantasy and reality are difficult to differentiate between? Having been ‘charmed’ and ‘brainwashed’ with lies and distortions over such a lengthy period, as with many ‘cults’, I’d think those victims would need expert intervention - though I don’t view all long term Bamber supporters as victims as such.
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The conviction is largely based on the silencer.
The convictions are ‘largely based’ on Jeremy Bamber's lies and behaviour, Julie Mugford’s evidence, SC’s blood in the silencer and the fact she couldn’t and wouldn’t have carried out the murders nor shot herself - twice!
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CAL finally gives her verdict and has a walk-on part...
https://www.essexlive.news/news/essex-news/jeremy-bamber-crime-scene-photo-3718240 (https://www.essexlive.news/news/essex-news/jeremy-bamber-crime-scene-photo-3718240)
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It appears that the VW campervan used in the series wasn't hired from East Coast Classics, a business based in the grounds of the real WHF. On their website only one campervan, called "Fleur", of the same colour is listed, but it's a standard version not the high-roofed type as featured in the drama...
http://www.eastcoast-classics.co.uk/cars_campers.htm (http://www.eastcoast-classics.co.uk/cars_campers.htm)
(https://i.imgur.com/o2mU2w4.jpg)
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By ex CCRC ‘poster boy’ and one of the so called Cardiff Newsagent 3
Michael O'Brien
@michael47478285
Really disappointed at ITV National putting out total lies in relation to my friend Jeremy Bamber. Loads of evidence has come to light that has not placed before any court feeling angry right now.
5:08 PM · Jan 9, 2020·Twitter Web App
https://mobile.twitter.com/michael47478285/status/1215319465719664640
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I've now watched part 1.
It deviates quite a lot from wit stats and CAL's book.
I think it was important to show JM putting the twins to bed at CC's party, as per all accounts, but instead it was depicted as JB and CC.
And no idea why AE needed to appear for dinner on the Sunday when no one has ever suggested she was there.
Where was JB clutching his opium poppies?
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By ex CCRC ‘poster boy’ and one of the so called Cardiff Newsagent 3
Michael O'Brien
@michael47478285
Really disappointed at ITV National putting out total lies in relation to my friend Jeremy Bamber. Loads of evidence has come to light that has not placed before any court feeling angry right now.
5:08 PM · Jan 9, 2020·Twitter Web App
https://mobile.twitter.com/michael47478285/status/1215319465719664640
It`s people like him who damage genuine miscarriage of justice cases. To be frank, O`Brien should hide his head in shame.
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The conviction is largely based on the silencer.
First respondents found the rifle across SC's body sans silencer. Soc officers wrapped up the farmhouse within a couple of days and handed keys to JB's extended family who subsequently found the silencer when cleaning/tidying the farmhouse. They inspected the silencer and found debris on the outside which they attributed in part to blood. They took the silencer to their own farmhouse and contacted the police about their find. A couple of days later a police officer, who was a lone wolf in suspecting JB from the off, collected the silencer from the relatives. It was then taken to a HO lab for analysis. The stains were shown to be blood and human in origin. It was then largely dismissed.
The DCI responsible for the case was convinced SC was responsible. JB's relatives were able to exert pressure on top brass to carry out a review. Meanwhile the DCI was replaced by another DCI.
The silencer was then returned to the lab (a month later) and opened up where a flake of blood was found. When analysed the flake was found to match SC's blood groups by way of blood serology as it was before the advent of DNA.
The prosecution argued JB used the silencer throughout the shootings and then when staging the rifle across SC's body found it too awkward with the silencer attached so removed it and placed it in a cupboard under the stairs where it was normally kept (and where the relatives found it). The flake representing back spatter (blood exiting a contact/close contact gunshot wound and traveling against the line of fire depositing in the silencer). How could SC shoot herself and then return the silencer to the gun cupboard?
The crux of the case:
- is the prosecution right?
- given the questionable chain of custody re the silencer was it a reliable piece of forensic evidence or was it fabricated on the basis some thought JB responsible but lacked the evidence without it?
I have never seen the silencer as being the smoking gun if you pardon the pun Holly. What sells Bamber`s conviction for me is that Sheila could never have shot herself twice with the two shots being placed neatly one above the other with virtually no blood on the palms and fingers of her hands and very little on and around the trigger itself. Add to that the fact that the farmhouse was secured from within and the viscious fight over the kitchen table. For me Sheila was definitely a victim and only Jeremy Bamber had the inside knowledge to get into the farmhouse and know where the rifle and spare rounds were kept. He also knew how to exit the property without leaving any signs of his presence.
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It`s people like him who damage genuine miscarriage of justice cases. To be frank, O`Brien should hide his head in shame.
I’m of the opinion ‘innocence fraud’ is rife in the UK and its apparent many people don’t want to discuss it, yet!?
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I have never seen the silencer as being the smoking gun if you pardon the pun Holly. What sells Bamber`s conviction for me is that Sheila could never have shot herself twice with the two shots being placed neatly one above the other with virtually no blood on the palms and fingers of her hands and very little on and around the trigger itself. Add to that the fact that the farmhouse was secured from within and the viscious fight over the kitchen table. For me Sheila was definitely a victim and only Jeremy Bamber had the inside knowledge to get into the farmhouse and know where the rifle and spare rounds were kept. He also knew how to exit the property without leaving any signs of his presence.
Dr Vanezis stated during Bambers trial the first shot would have disabled Sheila
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=k96gmbXLoMw
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It`s people like him who damage genuine miscarriage of justice cases. To be frank, O`Brien should hide his head in shame.
Most of those within the ‘wrongful conviction’ arena should hang their heads in shame. I once wrongly believed they were genuinely interested in factual innocence/guilt.
I’ve witnessed for nearly 7 years that’s not the case.
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It`s people like him who damage genuine miscarriage of justice cases. To be frank, O`Brien should hide his head in shame.
Michael O'Brien
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When you lose everything and still come back at them yep thats me. Fools they are for undermining my mental strength and resolve. No retreat no surrender truth will come out.
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To whom does he refer to as ‘fools’ I wonder
His petition to abolish the CCRC has gained all of 230 signatures https://www.change.org/p/102-petty-france-london-sw1h-9aj-united-kingdom-abolish-the-criminal-cases-review-commission?recruiter=35044305&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=psf_combo_share_message&utm_term=share_petition&recruited_by_id=e45e0660-0595-0130-da23-40401bfb750c&share_bandit_exp=message-19398461-en-GB&share_bandit_var=v1
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I have never seen the silencer as being the smoking gun if you pardon the pun Holly. What sells Bamber`s conviction for me is that Sheila could never have shot herself twice with the two shots being placed neatly one above the other with virtually no blood on the palms and fingers of her hands and very little on and around the trigger itself. Add to that the fact that the farmhouse was secured from within and the viscious fight over the kitchen table. For me Sheila was definitely a victim and only Jeremy Bamber had the inside knowledge to get into the farmhouse and know where the rifle and spare rounds were kept. He also knew how to exit the property without leaving any signs of his presence.
Well as far as the courts are concerned it sees the silencer as the 'smoking gun' evidenced by the fact CCRC referred the case back to CoA based on the silencer. It is this and this alone that will seal JB's fate one way or another.
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Part 1 showed how smooth the raid teams entrance was. There is no reason why they would have knocked anything over, which has been claimed.