Here is the first part of a transcription of Justice Ian Binnie's interview with Kim Hill on RNZ.
Note his calm way of explaining behaviour and motive pointing to Robin Bain. He spent 6 months full time studying the case. He should be invited to help with Bamber, about 400k would do it.
KH:
And I asked him (Binnie) if he had heard Martin van Beynen’s Podcast series Black Hands
IB:
No, I was told about it, I haven’t listened to it.I regard the title Black Hands as a kind of code for David Bain is crazy, because the ‘black hand’ is one of the images the police relied on to show that DB verged on insane, and MvB I became quite familiar with his writings - I think he’s a very capable journalist but he’s one of these ‘on one hand, on the other hand’ always winds up against DB, and even Ian Callinan did not go as far as it seems to me as MvB goes, I regard MvB as a kind of Inspector Javert in Les Miserables, chasing DB down through the ages, I’m sure the programme is very well done, I’m sure its very informative but I’m not at all surprised it comes down solidly and I gather fairly consistently against DB.
KH:
Yes, it does but he goes through the evidence he regards as inclining to that view, quite scrupulously and some of it still baffles the public till this day, you know… issues like why DB told the Emergency call taker that his family was all dead, but later told police that he had only seen his mother and his father - I dunno whether I can characterise your conclusion as being that he was so traumatised and confused by the events that inconsistencies in his account is, are completely comprehensible?
IB:
Well I think that was the conclusion of the Crown Psychologist Dr Brinded, when he was examined..er.. the lawyer Michael Guest wanted wanted to run a sort of ‘insanity defence’ er, although DB certainly wasn’t participating, in that initiative, so… Guest had DB examined by the psychologist, and he was determined to be perfectly er, sane.
So there are all sorts of twists and turns in here… and as IC commented on in his report and I agree with him, there are a lot of loose ends that have to remain untied because nobody… because the evidence isn’t there anymore. What evidence that was collected, a lot of it was destroyed, there was a lot of evidence that wasn’t collected.
I gather that theres an issue in the programme about a tattoo and some lady has come forward and said oh well the tattoo wasn’t applied when DB said it was.
You know people keep coming out of the woodwork in the DB case…
KH:
Just to clarify that tattoo issue, DB told you, that the tattoo on his arm, was, in memory of a dog that had recently died, and he was very fond of animals, but it turns out he had the tattoo, - the dog had died, like a year and a half earlier, and he’s had the tattoo done a week before his family died.
There are… more than inconsistencies involved, in that kind of.. misleading statement.. are there not?
IB:
Well you’re assuming the truth of this individual who’s come forward to contradict him. I don’t know whether you can make that assumption, I don’t know anything about the person, or the story but all the way thru the Bain case people kept popping out of the woodwork… er the one I found the most incredible is that there was a correctional officer called Thomas Samuel, who turned up at the 2009 trial and said he had examined DB at the prison at the time DB was admitted, this is pre-trial and there were claw marks on his chest, which he described as being consistent with being grabbed in a death struggle with Steven.
DB had just before that encounter with Mr Samuels been examined by the police doctor Dr. Pride who was nothing if not meticulous in his examination of DB, and he too samples of his penis and so on.. and think that Dr. Pride would have ‘missed’ all of these scratches and gougings that Samuel had reported er, defies belief.
So I don’t think in the DB case you can assume that people who come out of the left field and say that well this and er that and well thats not what he told me that its all correct - some of it may be correct, some of it may not be correct I don’t know, but I’m not surprised that witnesses kept… Er, its a kind of notoriety people like to er be public figures and here's their chance to step forward and either contradict him and in this case, Thomas Samuels i have no idea what Thomas Samuel was thinking but it absolutely defies belief that DB’s chest would be massively scratched and the police doctor wouldn’t have noticed it