Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.

[Mr Gray]

Previously  - when?

about a week ago...that red stuff coming out of the steak in the butchers is not blood..

As it turns out, that “blood” in your steak isn't blood at all. It's myoglobin, the protein that delivers oxygen to an animal's muscles. ... Heating the protein turns it a darker color. Rare meat isn't “bloody,” it is just cooked to a lower temperature..

[Eleanor]

Davel is not wrong.

Why are we doing this yet again?

[Robittybob1]

blood clots.....the liquid you think is blood ..may not be blood...i  have provided a link previosly

It takes a long time for blood to clot inside the veins.  It clots when exposed to the air.

[Robittybob1]

Davel is not wrong.

Why are we doing this yet again?

I agree with some of what Davel says but I will not concede he is 100% correct.

[ShiningInLuz]

for cadaver odour you would need a body or body parts...blood does not produce cadaver odour

Hate to say it, but you are not the forum expert on 'cadaver odour'.

Eddie and Keela alerted to blood.

Simple.

[Mr Gray]

It takes a long time for blood to clot inside the veins.  It clots when exposed to the air.

I dont think thats true....It clots when it stops moving...when theheart stops....have you herad of thrombosis....that blood clots without air..

If we draw blood into a vacuum tube...no air..it still clots

[Robittybob1]

You are not going to be right in everything you say.  You have your understanding and I have mine.  I'll wait till Martin Grime comes on the forum and gives his opinion.

[Mr Gray]

Hate to say it, but you are not the forum expert on 'cadaver odour'.

Eddie and Keela alerted to blood.

Simple.

you claimed cadaver odour had 4 months to develop...it didnt

[Robittybob1]

I dont think thats true....It clots when it stops moving...when theheart stops....have you herad of thrombosis....that blood clots without air..

If we draw blood into a vacuum tube...no air..it still clots

True there would be other things that activate blood clotting.  I was talking about a bleeding animal after death, the blood has not yet clotted but when it is exposed to the air it will begin to clot.  OK when it hits the floor as well but the blood is out of the veins.  Later the blood will clot in the veins as well.  But that will be quite some time after death.

[Mr Gray]

You are not going to be right in everything you say.  You have your understanding and I have mine.  I'll wait till Martin Grime comes on the forum and gives his opinion.

eddie alerted to blood from gerry McCann...hes very much alive

[ShiningInLuz]

about a week ago...that red stuff coming out of the steak in the butchers is not blood..

As it turns out, that “blood” in your steak isn't blood at all. It's myoglobin, the protein that delivers oxygen to an animal's muscles. ... Heating the protein turns it a darker color. Rare meat isn't “bloody,” it is just cooked to a lower temperature..

It's blood.

In any normal sense of the word.

In any person's understanding.

Have you ever heard the chefs on Masterchef saying the meat needs to rest, to cook the myoglobin?

[Robittybob1]

If you insist I give a cite immediately for vanessa mae...then issue warng points...when it was agreed that cites did not have to be given for insignificant things....when I ask sil for a cite...you demand a cite from me...thats harrassment...others have noticed too...its pointless denying it

Yesterday you were skiting that you could beat a polygraph.  So I set out to rattle you a little and after a while you failed to answer a question.  You failed the lie detector test. 

[Eleanor]

IMO Davel is not wrong, at least on this occasion.

And I am getting very fed up with the bullying.  Unfortunately, there are times when I can't do anything about it.

[Robittybob1]

you claimed cadaver odour had 4 months to develop...it didnt

In the depth of the grout between the tiles it did.

[G-Unit]

I think we can....30 mins certainly isnt time enough imo...then we ahve death from a fall...deathfrom a head injury would be due to a subdural haemorrhage...that takes hours to kill...ther is just not enough time

As no-one knows what these dogs actually smell then no-one can decide when that aroma becomes available to the dog. Decomppsition begins immediately after death and a dog may well be able to detect that.

Imo a fall can cause instant or almost instant death. A broken neck, for example.