New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.

[misty]

2) Eddie & Keela barked/froze.

[Jean-Pierre]

2) Eddie & Keela barked/froze.

Half a point - why has not been established.

Is that really it?

[lordpookles]

It's an indisputable fact they alerted. The interpretation is another thing...

[lordpookles]

Another indisputable fact is that the McCann's left their children 50meteres away, 70 meters walking distance for 5 nights running I believe in their holiday apartment... they checked periodically on their children, but the exact intervals are not established...

[Alfred R Jones]

Some people would dispute that fact.  Some "sceptics" reckon the children were never left alone, believe it or not. 

[Carana]

- All the couples had left their children sleeping in the apartments when they went to dinner. With the exception of the Paynes who had a powerful baby monitor, the others went to check the children periodically.

- The McCanns left the patio door unlocked.

- The twins didn't wake up.

- A number of burglaries (or attempted ones) had taken place in the area.

- Over a number of years, various children had been molested or had found a stranger sitting on their beds.

- Only one hair of the 100 or so found in 5A has been positively identified by nuclear DNA. A number of others have haplotypes that correspond to those of people known to have been in the apartment, although this is not a positive identification. Various other haplotypes do not correspond to anyone for whom the INML had a reference sample.

- The GNR asked numerous people in the vicinity if they'd noticed anything suspicious, but had not asked the individuals if they themselves had been carrying a child during the time period in question.

- The Ocean Club set their missing child protocol in motion.

[lordpookles]

- All the couples had left their children sleeping in the apartments when they went to dinner. With the exception of the Paynes who had a powerful baby monitor, the others went to check the children periodically.

- The McCanns left the patio door unlocked.

- The twins didn't wake up.

- A number of burglaries (or attempted ones) had taken place in the area.

- Over a number of years, various children had been molested or had found a stranger sitting on their beds.

- Only one hair of the 100 or so found in 5A has been positively identified by nuclear DNA. A number of others have haplotypes that correspond to those of people known to have been in the apartment, although this is not a positive identification. Various other haplotypes do not correspond to anyone for whom the INML had a reference sample.

- The GNR asked numerous people in the vicinity if they'd noticed anything suspicious, but had not asked the individuals if they themselves had been carrying a child during the time period in question.

- The Ocean Club set their missing child protocol in motion.

The bolded part. Is this an indisputable fact? Mathew Oldfield made a check earlier. Did he go through the unlocked patio doors?

[lordpookles]

Some people would dispute that fact.  Some "sceptics" reckon the children were never left alone, believe it or not.

Best to ignore these people imo unless they have some hard evidence.

[sadie]

The bolded part. Is this an indisputable fact? Mathew Oldfield made a check earlier. Did he go through the unlocked patio doors?

Without actually checking the words that he went into 5A via the patio window, I think it must be fact, LP, cos Matt came from Russells flat via the alleyway. 


Russell let him out of his patio door into the alleyway.

[pegasus]

... Russell let him out of his patio door into the alleyway.

What statement is that in?

[Carana]

The bolded part. Is this an indisputable fact? Mathew Oldfield made a check earlier. Did he go through the unlocked patio doors?

So we went out and we debated about whether we'd go in first or go in later, but Russell wanted to get back because Evie had been a little bit unsettled and so we went back first and he went in and I went in to check on Grace and actually went in through the door, unlocked the door, looked in, into her room, all fine, came back out, shut the door, erm, went over to his apartment and he said that Evie had been sick so he was staying back with her. So I went back and did the check on five 'A', on Madeleine and the kids, erm, and went back through the patio entrance, so through the gate, through the patio doors, erm, there was, it was light enough to see through the apartment and there sort of a little table light on the right at the end of the sofa and when you walk into the room, you could see straight into it, because the door was open.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm

[Carana]

Without actually checking the words that he went into 5A via the patio window, I think it must be fact, LP, cos Matt came from Russells flat via the alleyway. 


Russell let him out of his patio door into the alleyway.

Matt did go in via the patio, but seems to have popped over to Russ's front door to collect him (at which point Russ said he was staying with his daughter) and went the long way round. It doesn't say anything about having been in the JT/O'Brien apartment and being let out via the patio.

[Jean-Pierre]

Soapartfrom two or three, there are precios few facts that are certain or not disputable.  This means that everything is speculation and more or less informed guesswork. 

(With due respect to those posters who insist that abduction is impossible, of course)   

[Jean-Pierre]

Laughably improbable.

Improbable.  Right......... 

[sadie]

What statement is that in?

IIRC , it is in Matts

When they checked together Matt went to his flat and Russell went to his.

Matt went to Russells flat after checking his flat, but Russels little one was unwell, so he decided to stay .



He let Matt out thru the patio door into the alleyway.
Because of this tis almost certain that Matt went into 5A via the patio door.