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Offline G-Unit

Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral misinterpret the evidence?
« Reply #345 on: October 21, 2018, 10:38:50 PM »
Did the SC use legal argument to explain why the duty attached to a retired police officer was revoked?

That was quashed by the Appeal Court who said he did have a duty of reserve (so not 'revoked') but not in respect of facts which were in the public domain;

In effect, and independently of the reasons invoked by the appellant for the publication, it is hardly understandable that an employee, even more a retired one, would have to keep said duties of secrecy and reserve, thus being limited in the exercise of his right to an opinion, concerning the interpretation of facts that were already made public by the judiciary authority, and widely debated (in fact, largely by initiative of the intervenients themselves) in the national and international media.
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Offline misty

Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral misinterpret the evidence?
« Reply #346 on: October 21, 2018, 10:48:58 PM »
That was quashed by the Appeal Court who said he did have a duty of reserve (so not 'revoked') but not in respect of facts which were in the public domain;

In effect, and independently of the reasons invoked by the appellant for the publication, it is hardly understandable that an employee, even more a retired one, would have to keep said duties of secrecy and reserve, thus being limited in the exercise of his right to an opinion, concerning the interpretation of facts that were already made public by the judiciary authority, and widely debated (in fact, largely by initiative of the intervenients themselves) in the national and international media.
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Was Almeida's interim report, which formed the value judgement based on all evidence gathered at that time & subsequently used by Amaral, in the public domain when the book was published?

Offline G-Unit

Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral misinterpret the evidence?
« Reply #347 on: October 21, 2018, 11:11:28 PM »
Was Almeida's interim report, which formed the value judgement based on all evidence gathered at that time & subsequently used by Amaral, in the public domain when the book was published?

Why are you asking me?
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Offline misty

Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral misinterpret the evidence?
« Reply #348 on: October 21, 2018, 11:19:21 PM »
Why are you asking me?

I'll rephrase. Do you think the SC was correct to say that Amaral was free to opine in his book on reports which were not in the public domain at the time of publishing?

Offline G-Unit

Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral misinterpret the evidence?
« Reply #349 on: October 22, 2018, 08:49:55 AM »
I'll rephrase. Do you think the SC was correct to say that Amaral was free to opine in his book on reports which were not in the public domain at the time of publishing?

I thought that question was answered by the Appeal Court, as in my cite. Did the Supreme Court comment on it too?
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Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral misinterpret the evidence?
« Reply #350 on: October 22, 2018, 09:05:41 AM »
I'll rephrase. Do you think the SC was correct to say that Amaral was free to opine in his book on reports which were not in the public domain at the time of publishing?
How far out was it?  I thought the publishing was after the release of the file.
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Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral misinterpret the evidence?
« Reply #351 on: October 22, 2018, 11:08:10 AM »
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A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline John

Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral misinterpret the evidence?
« Reply #352 on: October 22, 2018, 11:16:56 AM »
The alerts are not proven facts...that is a false statement

Actually they are are proven fact as they took place. The unknown and unproven fact is what they related to.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral misinterpret the evidence?
« Reply #353 on: October 22, 2018, 12:02:51 PM »
Actually they are are proven fact as they took place. The unknown and unproven fact is what they related to.

They are proven facts but not to cadaver... Which is what the Portuguese justice system says

Offline G-Unit

Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral misinterpret the evidence?
« Reply #354 on: October 22, 2018, 12:10:49 PM »
They are proven facts but not to cadaver... Which is what the Portuguese justice system says

Do you have a cite for that?
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Offline Angelo222

Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral misinterpret the evidence?
« Reply #355 on: October 22, 2018, 12:23:05 PM »
They are proven facts but not to cadaver... Which is what the Portuguese justice system says

If the Portuguese justice system claims that the alerts were to a cadaver then it is plainly wrong as not even Grime knows exactly what Eddie alerted to. The alerts are a fact of life however and are indicative of cadaver odour. A very long way from proving it though.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral misinterpret the evidence?
« Reply #356 on: October 22, 2018, 12:27:52 PM »
Do you have a cite for that?

The alerts have not been proven to be from cadaver

Offline G-Unit

Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral misinterpret the evidence?
« Reply #357 on: October 22, 2018, 12:29:25 PM »
The alerts have not been proven to be from cadaver

Did the judges say they had?
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral misinterpret the evidence?
« Reply #358 on: October 22, 2018, 12:30:13 PM »
Did the judges say they had?

I haven't mentioned judges... It's part if the proven facts

Offline G-Unit

Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral misinterpret the evidence?
« Reply #359 on: October 22, 2018, 12:34:35 PM »
I haven't mentioned judges... It's part if the proven facts

Which number?
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