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Offline Carana

Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
« Reply #1110 on: July 07, 2016, 02:06:21 PM »
Only what Cameron negotiated in an attempt to remain.


That's what I'm looking for... but not much time today.

Offline Carana

Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
« Reply #1111 on: July 07, 2016, 02:31:19 PM »
Mrs Leadsom, whose City career has come under some scrutiny after it claims she exaggerated her CV, said she would make the continuation of tariff-free trade with the EU a priority.

She said the new status free of the EU would mean the UK could forge new trade agreements with fast-growing economies around the world.

Speaking on the day Conservative Party members will vote to eliminate one of the last three candidates from the race to be Prime Minister, Mrs Leadsom also said the weak pound meant we might import less but would buy more UK goods.

http://news.sky.com/story/leadsom-pledges-prosperity-not-austerity-10493658


Hmmm. Perhaps she could give figures on the current situation concerning UK businesses (both large and small ones) outsourcing components, services or manufacturing to the EU for products ultimately sold as "UK goods"?












Offline John

Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
« Reply #1112 on: July 07, 2016, 02:46:32 PM »

That's what I'm looking for... but not much time today.

Leaders of the other 27 member nations agreed to a deal that will see:

  • A seven-year term for the emergency brake to restrict EU migrants in the UK claiming in-work benefits.
  • Child benefit payments indexed to the cost of living for children living outside the UK for all new arrivals to the UK, extending to all workers from 1 January 2020.
  • Any single non-eurozone country able to force a debate among EU leaders about ‘problem’ eurozone laws – though they will not have a veto.
  • An unequivocal opt-out stating that EU treaty “references to ever-closer union do not apply to the United Kingdom”
.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2016/feb/19/eu-summit-all-night-negotiations-deal-cameron-live
« Last Edit: July 08, 2016, 03:04:28 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Carana

Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
« Reply #1113 on: July 07, 2016, 03:34:51 PM »
Leaders of the other 27 member nations agreed to a deal that will see:

  • A seven-year term for the emergency brake to restrict EU migrants in the UK claiming in-work benefits.
  • Child benefit payments indexed to the cost of living for children living outside the UK for all new arrivals to the UK, extending to all workers from 1 January 2020.
  • Any single non-eurozone country able to force a debate among EU leaders about ‘problem’ eurozone laws – though they will not have a veto.
  • An unequivocal opt-out stating that EU treaty “references to ever-closer union do not apply to the United Kingdom”
.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2016/feb/19/eu-summit-all-night-negotiations-deal-cameron-live



Popping back. Thanks, John.

- Old, but there are also the negotiations dating to way back re the Euro and Schengen opt-outs, and the rebate (which Brexiters conveniently tend to forget in their calculations).

- Re immigration, yes, I can see an argument for some kind of management system.

- Opting out of Schengen means that there is greater control on the whole over who comes in and out (and spot checks do happen in Schengendom, making it unwise to travel without some form of ID).

- I haven't yet read much about what is likely to happen to EAWs and more generally Europol. There will no doubt be some form of ongoing cooperation, but it may mean going back to more long-winded bureaucracy (not that the system was working perfectly in the first place).


Lots of unknowns...


Offline mercury

Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
« Reply #1115 on: July 08, 2016, 12:29:18 AM »
Norway:

http://news.sky.com/story/norway-sees-brexit-vote-as-a-leap-of-faith-10495070

Hmmm

Was the uk in such dire straits BECAUSE of the eu that they had to take a leap of faith and jump off the cliff?

So, we will crash and burn or be lucky?

Does anyone know what these multiple uk companies pulling out of property whatevers is all about?
« Last Edit: July 08, 2016, 12:33:54 AM by mercury »

Offline mercury

Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
« Reply #1116 on: July 08, 2016, 12:31:11 AM »
Leaders of the other 27 member nations agreed to a deal that will see:

  • A seven-year term for the emergency brake to restrict EU migrants in the UK claiming in-work benefits.
  • Child benefit payments indexed to the cost of living for children living outside the UK for all new arrivals to the UK, extending to all workers from 1 January 2020.
  • Any single non-eurozone country able to force a debate among EU leaders about ‘problem’ eurozone laws – though they will not have a veto.
  • An unequivocal opt-out stating that EU treaty “references to ever-closer union do not apply to the United Kingdom”
.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2016/feb/19/eu-summit-all-night-negotiations-deal-cameron-live

A seven year term for the emergency brake...what does  that mean?
I think the child benefit rule is fair

Offline Mr Gray

Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
« Reply #1117 on: July 08, 2016, 11:42:56 AM »
http://uk.businessinsider.com/italys-political-and-economic-crisis-threatens-europes-stability-2016-7

Perhaps the EU is not the panacea it claims to be?

Edit: Dead link corrected.
« Last Edit: July 08, 2016, 12:28:57 PM by Myster »

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
« Reply #1118 on: July 08, 2016, 02:17:03 PM »
http://uk.businessinsider.com/italys-political-and-economic-crisis-threatens-europes-stability-2016-7

Perhaps the EU is not the panacea it claims to be?

Edit: Dead link corrected.

'the financial sector in the country has roughly €300 billion of 'bad' debt'

'Government debt in Italy now stands at almost 140% of GDP, second only to Greece in eurozone in gross terms.'

.....

Yup, the failing eurozone economy is one of the reasons I voted leave, not simply because I don't like migrants.

If we remain tied to these corrupt failing countries, it's inevitable that we will have to help bail them out &/or be dragged down with them.

I stand with Putin. Glory to Mother Putin.

Offline John

Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
« Reply #1119 on: July 08, 2016, 03:21:44 PM »
Did you know that there are specific measures in place to support the development of the most remote regions of the European Union, known as the outermost regions: Guadeloupe, French Guiana, Réunion, Martinique, Mayotte and Saint-Martin (France), the Azores and Madeira (Portugal), and the Canary Islands (Spain). The purpose of this support is to compensate for the constraints arising from the geographical remoteness of these regions.

The Balkan states of Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia, Albania, Kosovo, Bosnia and Herzegovina are all now waiting to join the EU.  With the EU budget soon to be cut by some £160 million a week following Brexit, who will then pick up the tab?
« Last Edit: August 03, 2016, 03:55:15 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Carana

Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
« Reply #1120 on: July 08, 2016, 07:09:50 PM »
Did you know that there are specific measures in place to support the development of the most remote regions of the European Union, known as the outermost regions: Guadeloupe, French Guiana, Réunion, Martinique, Mayotte and Saint-Martin (France), the Azores and Madeira (Portugal), and the Canary Islands (Spain). The purpose of this support is to compensate for the constraints arising from the geographical remoteness of these regions.

The Balkan states of Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia, Albania, Kosovo, Bosnia and Herzegovina are all now waiting to join the EU.  With the EU budget soon to be cut by some £160 million a week following Brexit, who will then pick up the tab?

How is the UK going to pick up the tab once out? Assuming that the UK continues to exist...



Brexit vote has United Kingdom’s territories in uproar — with at least one calling for an exit of its own
June 28, 20165:22pm


Hundreds in Scotland protest Brexit
Jamie Seidel, agenciesNews Corp Australia Network

THE fallout of the Brexit vote is reverberating through what remains of the once-great British Empire. Scotland and Northern Ireland are threatening to go it alone, and at least one far-flung territory is clambering for an exit of its own — from the UK.

There seems no end to the political and economic turmoil of last week’s vote to leave the European Union.

It’s all because the state of the union within the United Kingdom itself is not all that strong.

And it’s no surprise.

In the days before the vote, former Conservative Party foreign secretary Lord Hague told a foreign affairs think-tank that the Brexit vote could lead to the ‘disintegration’ of the whole United Kingdom.

The unhappiness with the result in Scotland, Northern Ireland and many overseas territories is adding to the sense that the Brexit vote may over time lead to the breakup of the United Kingdom.
A young couple painted as EU flags protest outside Downing Street against the United Kingdom's decision to leave the EU following the referendum on June 24. Picture: Getty

A young couple painted as EU flags protest outside Downing Street against the United Kingdom's decision to leave the EU following the referendum on June 24. Picture: GettySource:Getty Images

Northern Ireland’s Sinn Fein party has renewed its calls for a split. And the premier of one territory, The Turks and Caicos Islands, has already called for a vote on the future of its membership.

Public opinion in Scotland and Northern Ireland differed greatly from those in England and Wales. Voters overwhelmingly favoured remaining with the EU.

Scotland and Northern Ireland expressed deep concern at losing the trade benefits that come with EU membership. And Northern Ireland fears the re-establishment of security checkpoints along its border with EU member Ireland.

Then there’s the wait for the trickle-down benefits of economic recovery after the 2012 Global Financial Crisis. Widespread public cynicism is being directed at British members of parliament and corporate leaders. Such a loss of faith comes after millions of British workers were left behind in the lacklustre recovery. Average pay in the UK remains 7 per cent below 2008 levels when adjusted for inflation.

“The (Brexit) result could be considerable financial and personal hardship for many people fiercely loyal to the UK,” Lord Hague told the Chatham House assembly.

“How ironic it would be if people thought there was something patriotic or particularly pro-British about leaving the EU only to discover that it led to the disintegration of our country and dealt a permanent blow to overseas territories who look to us for leadership and protection.”

Here’s a summary of reaction to the Brexit vote from among the United Kingdom’s membership:
Postcards featuring the World War II British slogan "Keep Calm and Carry On" outside a newsagent in London. Picture: AFP

Postcards featuring the World War II British slogan "Keep Calm and Carry On" outside a newsagent in London. Picture: AFPSource:AFP

OVERSEAS TERRITORIES & CROWN DEPENDENCIES

Scattered across the four corners of the planet, the 14 territories that are the remnants of Britain’s once-great empire are just as split over the benefits and consequences of the Brexit decision as the rest of the union.

The consequences, however, appear more dire.

One small island territory has already called for its own ‘Brexit’ from the United Kingdom, while others are openly worried about the loss of economic ties and development funding from the EU.

The territories have their own association and minister to lobby for their diverse interests in parliament.

Unsurprisingly, they’re divided.

Conservative government minister and ‘Vote Leave’ campaigner James Duddridge argues his constituents would benefit from Brexit as Britain would have a renewed focus on its traditional Commonwealth and what he described as the ‘English-speaking world’.

“An independent Britain can spend more time developing our historic ties rather than be shackled by the regulation and political infrastructure that is a federal union,” he said.

But the United Kingdom Overseas Territories Association (UKOTA) argues many territories had benefited from fresh attention under the EU, and this was now at risk.

The Cayman Islands, for example, recently received a new weather radar system under the EU Development Fund after failing to secure money from London. The Falkland Islands now exports most of its produce to the European single market. And, with travel restrictions likely to be reimposed, Gibraltar will once again have to close its gates to Spain.

Other territories, including the Isle of Man, must now seek to negotiate new agreements to replace the European Union’s free trade in manufactured and agricultural products. Many territories are dependent on a small number of niche industries, making them especially vulnerable to such changes in regulation.
A pro-Scottish independence sticker is pictured on the side of a telephone box in Edinburgh, Scotland. Picture: AFP

A pro-Scottish independence sticker is pictured on the side of a telephone box in Edinburgh, Scotland. Picture: AFPSource:AFP

A recent report titled The United Kingdom Overseas Territories and the European Union: Benefits and Prospects, found Bermuda in particular seemed likely to suffer as the island had become a major European insurance tax haven to the tune of 21.7 billion euros annually.

Then there’s the issue of the very sovereignty of several territories.

“The guaranteed solidarity of 28 nations — including those with strong historic links to Latin America — over British sovereignty over the Falkland Islands would be lost,” Lord Hague warned in reference to the South Atlantic islands over which a bloody war was fought in 1982.

Spain’s ambitions over Gibraltar have also once again surged to the fore: Its government has already expressed its desire to explore ‘new possibilities’ for shared sovereignty over the 30,000 inhabitants of the rock at the junction of the Mediterranean and Atlantic. Spain’s acting Foreign Minister Jose Manuel Garcia-Margallo said at the weekend: “I hope the formula of co-sovereignty — to be clear, the Spanish flag on the Rock — is much closer than before.”

The Turks and Caicos Islands Premier has taken the split one step further, calling for a referendum in his group of outcrops in the Caribbean Sea to determine its own future:

“I hereby call on the British Government and the Turks and Caicos Government to hold a referendum in the Turks and Caicos Islands as a matter of urgency to determine whether we should remain a British colony, especially in the light of losing all of the benefits that came with being associated with the EU. Self-determination is critically important and the TCI should have it too,” he said in a press statement issued after the vote last week.
A Scottish Saltire flies between a Union flag and a European Union flag in front of the Scottish Parliament building in Edinburgh. Picture: AFP

A Scottish Saltire flies between a Union flag and a European Union flag in front of the Scottish Parliament building in Edinburgh. Picture: AFPSource:AFP

SCOTLAND

Scotland’s First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has indicated the Brexit result will likely trigger another referendum on independence.

Scotland itself voted overwhelmingly (62 per cent) to remain in the EU.

Scotland’s bitterly fought independence referendum in 2014 ended with voters deciding to remain in Britain, but analysts believe Britain’s withdrawal from the EU may strengthen the movement.

The First Minister argues another independence vote is justified because the United Kingdom under which the previous vote was rejected in 2014 “does not exist anymore”.

Ms Sturgeon said she would “consider” advising the Scottish Parliament to try to use its power to prevent Britain from actually leaving the EU. She said Scottish politicians might be able to derail the move by withholding “legislative consent” for a British exit, or Brexit.

Ms Sturgeon also said she believes Scotland’s approval is required for the move but admitted the British government would likely take “a very different view.”

“If the Scottish Parliament was judging this on the basis of what’s right for Scotland, then the option of saying ‘We’re not going to vote for something that is against Scotland’s interests,’ of course, that is on the table,” she said.
People walk over Westminster Bridge wrapped in Union flags, towards the Queen Elizabeth Tower and Big Ben. Wales voted in favour of leaving the European Union. Picture: AFP

People walk over Westminster Bridge wrapped in Union flags, towards the Queen Elizabeth Tower and Big Ben. Wales voted in favour of leaving the European Union. Picture: AFPSource:AFP

WALES

While the majority of Wales’ voters voted in favour of the “Leave” campaign, its parliament is now trying to make sense of what this means.

First Minister Carwyn Jones, who campaigned for the UK to remain in the EU, is now actively canvassing key ‘Leave’ figures such as potential future prime minister Boris Johnson to figure out what comes next.

“One of the issues that we found is that people in Wales are very unhappy with the UK government, and they felt that this vote was a way of getting their own back on the UK government,” he told local media at the weekend.

But Mr Jones highlighted the deepening divide within the British union had not yet reached a tipping point among his constituents. Scotland can fund itself as an independent nation as it has oil reserves, he said. Wales cannot.

“The UK really is made up of four nations that never really became one. I mean, we in Wales see ourselves as a nation. We’re not English. We’re far from it. Yeah, we’re part of the UK. We’ve benefited from being members of the UK. So there’s not really the appetite in Wales at the moment to become an independent country. Scotland is in a different place.”

Instead, the key concern is uncertainty.

“Now, of course, you know, there will be trade within countries in Europe,” he said. “But it’s the terms of trade that are important. If we find, for example, there’s a 10 per cent tariff on what we export into the European Union, that’s bad for us because half of what we export is exported to the EU.”

Mr Jones has sought reassurance from key ‘Leave’ campaign figures that a promised 500 million pound grant to support Welsh farming during the changeover was secure.
Irish themed novelty goods in a souvenir store in Buncrana, Ireland, not far from the border with Northern Ireland. Picture: AFP

Irish themed novelty goods in a souvenir store in Buncrana, Ireland, not far from the border with Northern Ireland. Picture: AFPSource:AFP

NORTHERN IRELAND

The Sinn Fein party of Northern Ireland has seized upon its ‘Remain’ vote as a trigger for another referendum — exiting the United Kingdom and merging with the Republic of Ireland.

But Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness said his first priority is forging “special arrangements” to enable Northern Ireland to maintain its EU ties — despite the Brexit vote.

Some ‘Leave’ opponents have also talked of trying to use Northern Ireland’s Assembly in conjunction with that of Scotland’s to try to block Britain’s departure.

Northern Ireland Secretary Theresa Villiers, Prime Minister David Cameron’s lead official in Belfast, played down the suggestion that the Scottish Parliament or the Northern Ireland Assembly had the standing to prevent a British departure from the EU.

She said decision-making power resides solely in the British Parliament, which is expected to abide by the results of the referendum, which showed 52 per cent of British voters wanted out.

“In the weeks and months ahead, we will be working with both the Scottish government and the Northern Ireland executive on all these matters,” she told BBC. “But ultimately it is (the British) Parliament’s decision.”
 http://www.news.com.au/world/brexit-vote-has-united-kingdoms-territories-in-uproar--with-at-least-one-calling-for-an-exit-of-its-own/news-story/afd26c2a59acc68f22fac3b3da0583f4


Offline Carana

Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
« Reply #1121 on: July 08, 2016, 07:13:36 PM »
How does the United Kingdom of England, Wales and Cornwall sound?


Offline Carana

Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
« Reply #1122 on: July 08, 2016, 07:43:51 PM »
A seven year term for the emergency brake...what does  that mean?
I think the child benefit rule is fair

It was a temporary 7-year agreement from what I can gather.

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Offline Carana

Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
« Reply #1124 on: July 08, 2016, 08:09:05 PM »
Consumer Confidence In Biggest Fall Since '94

A closely-watched measure of consumer mood suggests the Brexit decision will knock spending in the economy heavily.

http://news.sky.com/story/consumer-confidence-in-biggest-fall-since-94-10495088