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Offline Carana

Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
« Reply #1050 on: July 05, 2016, 11:16:52 AM »
Heard her speech, rampant with cliches.

https://twitter.com/search?q=Andrea+leadsom&ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Esearch

Tory leadership contender and Brexit campaigner Andrea Leadsom had previously opposed leaving the EU as it would be a "disaster", it has emerged.

http://news.sky.com/story/1720929/pro-brexit-leadsom-changed-her-mind-over-eu


"But pressed over her comments later Mrs Leadsom said she told Sky News this morning she had changed her mind because the facts had changed.
"

Which facts?

stephen25000

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Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
« Reply #1051 on: July 05, 2016, 11:19:39 AM »

"But pressed over her comments later Mrs Leadsom said she told Sky News this morning she had changed her mind because the facts had changed.
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Which facts?

Exactly Carana.

Those 'facts' have not been forthcoming.

Perhaps her ambition to be the next female P.M. ?

Offline Carana

Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
« Reply #1052 on: July 05, 2016, 11:29:29 AM »
Exactly Carana.

Those 'facts' have not been forthcoming.

Perhaps her ambition to be the next female P.M. ?

That's what I was wondering as well.

Offline Carana

Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
« Reply #1053 on: July 05, 2016, 11:35:01 AM »
Economist Briefs:

http://www.economist.com/sites/default/files/EconomistBrexitBriefs16.pdf

Fact-checking site:
https://fullfact.org/

and another interesting series of analytical articles.
http://ukandeu.ac.uk/

Offline Carana

Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
« Reply #1054 on: July 05, 2016, 11:40:31 AM »

The long read
How remain failed: the inside story of a doomed campaign
They promised it would be an easy victory. But they had no idea what was about to hit them

by Rafael Behr

Tuesday 5 July 2016 06.00 BST

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/05/how-remain-failed-inside-story-doomed-campaign

Offline Carana

Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
« Reply #1055 on: July 05, 2016, 12:03:25 PM »
Oh, the irony...

Business | Mon Jul 4, 2016 9:02am BST
Related: Business, UK
Britain to hire foreign trade negotiators after Brexit, says Hammond
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-trade-idUKKCN0ZK0L6

stephen25000

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Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
« Reply #1056 on: July 05, 2016, 12:35:43 PM »
The long read
How remain failed: the inside story of a doomed campaign
They promised it would be an easy victory. But they had no idea what was about to hit them

by Rafael Behr

Tuesday 5 July 2016 06.00 BST

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/05/how-remain-failed-inside-story-doomed-campaign


There in lied the trouble with the Remain campaign.

Not being aware of the true fear of immigrants by a substantial number of people, together with a very ineffective and light weight campaign which needed to show the same 'agression' as the leave campaign, and highlight the real nature of the 4 leading Brexit leaders.

Just reading about what Johnson and the lies he told as London mayor, just show the nature of the man and his B.S. in his pursuit of power. At least he got his just desserts.

Offline Carana

Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
« Reply #1057 on: July 05, 2016, 12:36:22 PM »
UK to slash corporation tax after Brexit blow

Monday, July 04, 2016 - 01:35

British Finance Minister George Osborne is cutting corporation tax to less than 15 percent in an attempt to offset the shock to investors of the country's decision to leave the European Union. And as Laura Frykberg reports, it comes as the face of the Brexit campaign announces he is stepping down.

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The face of Brexit, makes his exit. UKIP leader Nigel Farage says he's stepping down. Having achieved his goal of getting Britain to vote to leave the EU. (SOUNDBITE) (English) UKIP LEADER, NIGEL FARAGE, SAYING: "During the referendum campaign I said, I want my country back. What I'm saying today is I want my life back, and it begins right now." Farage says he's not a career politician. Those who are though, now have a big burden. Keeping business in Britain, without the lure of the EU single market. UK Finance Minister George Osborne has one solution, slashing coporation tax. Making Britain a competitor with its alluring neighbours. (SOUNDBITE) (English) CMC MARKETS ANALYST, MICHAEL HEWSON, SAYING: "Even if Mr. Osborne does cut corporation tax to 15 percent as is mooted, it will still be above Ireland's corporation tax of 12.5 percent. So I think Mr. Osborne needs to move on, he needs to look far longer term." Osborne appears to be consdering that too. He's reportedly thinking of increasing bank lending, maintaining financial credibility and investing more in northern England. More might be needed though. Financial data company Markit says the construction industry had its worst contraction in seven years last month ahead of the vote. The sector accounts for six percent of the economy.

http://uk.reuters.com/video/2016/07/04/uk-to-slash-corporation-tax-after-brexit?videoId=369155714

Offline Angelo222

Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
« Reply #1058 on: July 05, 2016, 12:54:55 PM »
The long read
How remain failed: the inside story of a doomed campaign
They promised it would be an easy victory. But they had no idea what was about to hit them

by Rafael Behr

Tuesday 5 July 2016 06.00 BST

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/05/how-remain-failed-inside-story-doomed-campaign

Cameron thought it would be a walkover and it was only in the days leading up to the vote that he realised the comments he was getting in London did not reflect the rest of England.  He was sorely mistaken as was the MSM based in London.

Politicians must realise that although London is the current capital of the United Kingdom it is in no way representative of the UK population. The English people have made their choice.
« Last Edit: July 05, 2016, 01:00:18 PM by Angelo222 »
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

stephen25000

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Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
« Reply #1059 on: July 05, 2016, 01:04:51 PM »
London Stock Exchange shareholders agree German deal
4 July 2016
 From the section Business
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German stock exchangeImage copyrightGETTY IMAGES
Shareholders in the London Stock Exchange (LSE) have voted in favour of a planned merger with its German counterpart Deutsche Boerse.
The LSE chairman, Donald Brydon, thanked shareholders for their "strong support" after 98.9% backed the deal.
The two stock exchanges agreed a $27bn (£20bn) merger earlier this year, but the Brexit vote has raised questions about how it should be implemented.
The LSE said the deal would still deliver value to shareholders.
"Whether the UK is just European or a member of the EU, the merger will create a globally competitive, industry defining market infrastructure group at the service of European industry," the company said.


Headquarters

Earlier, Mr Brydon said he was confident of "satisfactory" regulatory approval for the tie-up.

Last week, Germany's regulator said the proposed headquarters for the newly-merged company might not be in London.

"Without doubt... it is hard to imagine that the most important exchange venue in the eurozone would be steered from a headquarters outside the EU," said Felix Hufeld, Bafin's president.

"There certainly has to be an adjustment here."

Bafin does not have a veto on the deal but it is thought that Deutsche Boerse is likely to take its concerns seriously.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36698382

Offline Carana

Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
« Reply #1060 on: July 05, 2016, 01:12:55 PM »

There in lied the trouble with the Remain campaign.

Not being aware of the true fear of immigrants by a substantial number of people, together with a very ineffective and light weight campaign which needed to show the same 'agression' as the leave campaign, and highlight the real nature of the 4 leading Brexit leaders.

Just reading about what Johnson and the lies he told as London mayor, just show the nature of the man and his B.S. in his pursuit of power. At least he got his just desserts.


To an extent, I can understand the "UK is full" argument, plus the reality of certain areas in towns or cities in which ghettoes have developed.

Ok.

Some also have a perception of the negative weight of some EU legislation (the "sovereignty" issue). And I actually do know a mom & pop shop forced out of business due to EU health and safety regulations which would have required a substantial investment in order to comply.

OK.

On the other hand, the media (tabloids, but not only...) have been feeding their readers with totally biased "news" for so long, that I can't help but think that it reminds me of 1930s propaganda.

A bit of a chicken and egg situation: the tabloids sustain confirmation bias to retain their revenue stream, and loyal readers have a tendency to rely on their favourite tabloid as presenting the "truth".

The whole idea of a democracy is that people have a say in expressing their opinions about the issues that they face and take part in finding solutions to them.

However, IMO, that presupposes that people make informed decisions based on an objective analysis of accurate information and the implications.

Or is democracy just a battle for numbers between brainwashed camps?


« Last Edit: July 05, 2016, 01:23:10 PM by Carana »

stephen25000

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Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
« Reply #1061 on: July 05, 2016, 01:24:44 PM »

To an extent, I can understand the "UK is full" argument, plus the reality of certain areas in towns or cities in which ghettoes have developed.

Ok.

Some also have a perception of the negative weight of some EU legislation (the "sovereignty" issue). And I actually do know a mom & pop shop forced out of business due to EU health and safety regulations which would have required a substantial investment in order to comply.

OK.

On the other hand, the media (tabloids, but not only...) have been feeding their readers with totally biased "news" for so long, that I can't help but think that it reminds me of 1930s propaganda.

A bit of a chicken and egg situation: the tabloids sustain confirmation bias to retain their revenue stream, and loyal readers have a tendency to rely on their favourite tabloid as presenting the "truth".

The whole idea of a democracy is that people have a say in expressing their opinions about the issues that they face and take part in finding solutions to them.

However, IMO, that presupposes that people make informed decisions based on an objective analysis of accurate information and the implications.

Or is democracy just a battle for numbers between brainwashed camps?

As a reference point as regards population densities.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_and_population_of_European_countries

stephen25000

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Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
« Reply #1062 on: July 05, 2016, 01:39:43 PM »
Satire at it's best, but really accurate here.


« Last Edit: July 05, 2016, 01:51:27 PM by John »

Offline Carana

Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
« Reply #1063 on: July 05, 2016, 01:40:34 PM »
As a reference point as regards population densities.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_and_population_of_European_countries

LOL. I expect that one could eliminate the first two on that chart, but your point still stands.




Offline Carana