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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => The Disappearance of Ben Needham from the village of Iraklise on the Greek island of Kos on 24 July 1991. => Topic started by: G-Unit on March 28, 2018, 01:39:12 PM
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Poor Kerry Needham on Loose Women. She still can't really accept that he's dead without proof. The items found by SYP are being examined by a lab in America, apparently to see if Ben's DNA is on them. She still breaks down 26 years after her son disappeared. On this occasion it was the fact that her Mum still feels guilty because she was in charge of him at the time.
Asked about the further funding granted to the investigation into Madeleine McCann's disappearance she seemed perplexed. Other families with missing children must feel the same in my opinion. It perplexes me too. Why spend enormous sums of money on one case, rather than sharing it out more equally? I think OG and the Home Office must either come up with a solution to the case or an explanation for the difference in treatment.
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Poor Kerry Needham on Loose Women. She still can't really accept that he's dead without proof. The items found by SYP are being examined by a lab in America, apparently to see if Ben's DNA is on them. She still breaks down 26 years after her son disappeared. On this occasion it was the fact that her Mum still feels guilty because she was in charge of him at the time.
Asked about the further funding granted to the investigation into Madeleine McCann's disappearance she seemed perplexed. Other families with missing children must feel the same in my opinion. It perplexes me too. Why spend enormous sums of money on one case, rather than sharing it out more equally? I think OG and the Home Office must either come up with a solution to the case or an explanation for the difference in treatment.
Please provide a list of the missing children cases whose lack of investigation perplexes you.
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Poor Kerry Needham on Loose Women. She still can't really accept that he's dead without proof. The items found by SYP are being examined by a lab in America, apparently to see if Ben's DNA is on them. She still breaks down 26 years after her son disappeared. On this occasion it was the fact that her Mum still feels guilty because she was in charge of him at the time.
Asked about the further funding granted to the investigation into Madeleine McCann's disappearance she seemed perplexed. Other families with missing children must feel the same in my opinion. It perplexes me too. Why spend enormous sums of money on one case, rather than sharing it out more equally? I think OG and the Home Office must either come up with a solution to the case or an explanation for the difference in treatment.
Perhaps the difference is that the police have concluded that poor Ben's body lies under a heap of building rubble, having been killed in an accident by a man long dead and that therefore (unlike in the McCann case) there is no possible abductor on the loose and no likelihood of a live child ever being recovered.
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Please provide a list of the missing children cases whose lack of investigation perplexes you.
I too would be interested in these thousands of cases.... Are there cases that are not being investigated... I don't think so... Grange is continuing because there is still an investigative opportunity
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Poor Kerry Needham on Loose Women. She still can't really accept that he's dead without proof. The items found by SYP are being examined by a lab in America, apparently to see if Ben's DNA is on them. She still breaks down 26 years after her son disappeared. On this occasion it was the fact that her Mum still feels guilty because she was in charge of him at the time.
Asked about the further funding granted to the investigation into Madeleine McCann's disappearance she seemed perplexed. Other families with missing children must feel the same in my opinion. It perplexes me too. Why spend enormous sums of money on one case, rather than sharing it out more equally? I think OG and the Home Office must either come up with a solution to the case or an explanation for the difference in treatment.
I'm perplexed by the idea of "sharing it all out equally". All missing children cases are different, who's to say what the correct amount is to spend per case, and why all cases should have an equal amount of money spent on them? Should a missing 15 year old last seen getting on a train to London have the same amount of money spent on looking for him than a 3 year old last seen asleep in a bed in a foreign country?
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I'm perplexed by the idea of "sharing it all out equally". All missing children cases are different, who's to say what the correct amount is to spend per case, and why all cases should have an equal amount of money spent on them? Should a missing 15 year old last seen getting on a train to London have the same amount of money spent on looking for him than a 3 year old last seen asleep in a bed in a foreign country?
Does every missing child case need 40,000 pages, of information translated and reviewed... This is why the cost was so high initially....the costs now are far far lower
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I too would be interested in these thousands of cases.... Are there cases that are not being investigated... I don't think so... Grange is continuing because there is still an investigative opportunity
Of course, G-unit didn’t say thousands that was just your hyperbole.
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Of course, G-unit didn’t say thousands that was just your hyperbole.
G said other families of missing children... We are repeatedly told there are thousands aren't we... So which ones are not being investigated...
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Of course, G-unit didn’t say thousands that was just your hyperbole.
Just how many UK children are missing then?
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Don't worry - I've found out, the answer is 306k UK children go missing per year. So in order to be fair how much should the police spend per child? Perhaps it should be an hourly rate as the vast majority are found after a few hours?
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5554195/Ben-Needhams-mother-Kerry-speaks-frustration-Madeleine-McCan-funding.html
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5554195/Ben-Needhams-mother-Kerry-speaks-frustration-Madeleine-McCan-funding.html
Looks like Ben's case has been fully investigated and solved... What do they need more money for
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Looks like Ben's case has been fully investigated and solved... What do they need more money for
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Scary...
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Looks like Ben's case has been fully investigated and solved... What do they need more money for
Since when has the case been solved?
As far as I am aware Ben still hasn't been found.
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Since when has the case been solved?
As far as I am aware Ben still hasn't been found.
Professional opinion wasn't it,hardly solved.
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Since when has the case been solved?
As far as I am aware Ben still hasn't been found.
I watched the interview and it would seem fairly conclusive that the case has been solvrd.
Kerry admitted that she believes the police theory of what happened.
They seem to be waiting to get the results from America where they are trying to extract DNA from the blood found on the piece of Ben's sandal.
She did get very upset when talking about the guilt her mum feels
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Don't worry - I've found out, the answer is 306k UK children go missing per year. So in order to be fair how much should the police spend per child? Perhaps it should be an hourly rate as the vast majority are found after a few hours?
Given that governments can only raise revenue from the general population by taxation of one sort or another how much are you prepared to contribute in tax per case? Eventually that's what it comes down to.
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Given that governments can only rasie revenue from the general population by taxation of one sort or another how much are you prepared to contribute in tax per case? Eventually that's what it comes down to.
Can we pick and choose where our taxes are spent.?
I do wish we could.
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I watched the interview and it would seem fairly conclusive that the case has been solvrd.
Kerry admitted that she believes the police theory of what happened.
They seem to be waiting to get the results from America where they are trying to extract DNA from the blood found on the piece of Ben's sandal.
She did get very upset when talking about the guilt her mum feels
All the police have is a theory, as you rightly say.
Ergo, the case isn't solved.
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Interestingly, a specialist police dog reacted to the sandal, believed to be Ben's.
This, of course, proves nothing.
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Can we pick and choose where our taxes are spent.?
I do wish we could.
I was thinking more in terms of how much extra you were prepared to cough up to fund ........ [fill in what you like here].
But then I don't believe you are dim and you didn't realise that so there must be another reason for the response.
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Do the police have any more leads in Ben's case... If so they should certainly investigate, them..
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Interestingly, a specialist police dog reacted to the sandal, believed to be Ben's.
This, of course, proves nothing.
What did the forensics show
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What did the forensics show
DNA hasn't been confirmed as Ben's.
By persisting with your theory that Ben is dead, with no proof at all, you are breaching his human rights.
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All the police have is a theory, as you rightly say.
Ergo, the case isn't solved.
They seem to be satisfied with their theory .
The sandal and the car both belonged to Ben and both have traces of blood.
Perhaps if they can extract the DNA from the blood, then that will be the final proof they need.
Until then, Iwould imagine Kerry will go n hoping that he is not dead.
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They seem to be satisfied with their theory .
The sandal and the car both belonged to Ben and both have traces of blood.
Perhaps if they can extract the DNA from the blood, then that will be the final proof they need.
Until then, Iwould imagine Kerry will go n hoping that he is not dead.
Even if the sandal & toy are Ben's, & even if his DNA is found, that still won't prove that he's dead.
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Even if the sandal & toy are Ben's, & even if his DNA is found, that still won't prove that he's dead.
On the balance of probabilities it will ....but...do the police ave other leads that they could investigate...it seems they dont
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On the balance of probabilities it will ....but...do the police ave other leads that they could investigate...it seems they dont
I disagree.
It's quite possible Ben had a nose bleed on the items, then got abducted.
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Even if the sandal & toy are Ben's, & even if his DNA is found, that still won't prove that he's dead.
Hasthe confession of the man who claimed he killed Ben in an accident been investigated, albeit he confessed to a friend.
I would think that until or if they find a body,t hen nothing will prove he is dead
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Hasthe confession of the man who claimed he killed Ben in an accident been investigated, albeit he confessed to a friend.
I would think that until or if they find a body,t hen nothing will prove he is dead
According to this there was no confession.
In October 2016, cops told Ben’s mum he was dead after digging up one of his Matchbox cars near the farmhouse where his family was staying.
Cops are now sure Ben was accidentally hit by a digger driven by builder Konstantinos “Dino” Barkas, who died last year.
It came after a witness said Barkas may have been responsible for the death.
They said Ben was secretly buried elsewhere - or taken to a nearby fly-tipping site.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1795336/ben-needham-disappearance-kos-latest-appeal/
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According to this there was no confession.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1795336/ben-needham-disappearance-kos-latest-appeal/
Kerry seemed to believe there was.
Perhaps the Sun should inform her that it isn't true.
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I disagree.
It's quite possible Ben had a nose bleed on the items, then got abducted.
It seems to me you are using Ben's disappearance to score a cheap point.
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I disagree.
It's quite possible Ben had a nose bleed on the items, then got abducted.
Is this your theory?
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There seems to be a debate to be had about how much money should be spent on looking for missing children, an argument which surfaces every time more money is allocated to. Operation Grange. On the one hand people want more money spent on Ben, on the other they want no more funding for Madeleine but no one is prepared to say what amount should be spent per child, only that each should have the same amount allocated.
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Ben Needham's tearful mum slams £11m Madeleine McCann cash pot while her toddler remains 'missing'
Ben Needham was 21 months old when he disappeared from the Greek island of Kos in 1991.
The mother of missing toddler Ben Needham has spoken of her heartbreak after more funding was given to the £11m search for Madeleine McCann .
Kerry Needham has been searching for her son Ben who disappeared while he was staying with family on the Greek island of Kos on July 24, 1991.
The 21-month-old has never been seen again prompting police to probe whether he was kidnapped or if he died in a tragic accident with a digger on the property.
The youngster had been left in the care of his grandparents, who lived on the island, while his mother Kerry went to work at a nearby hotel.
Mum Kerry broke down after the Government pledged more funding to continue the search for missing toddler Madeleine McCann and admitted the 'unlimited cash and resources for the search hurts'.
She said: "It hurts us, as Ben's mum. I'm not taking anything away from them. We haven't had a fraction of that help."
"I've had to fight for that help alone as a single mum. I'll still keep going, doing the interviews, as Ben's name still needs to be out there."
"In our minds it's very difficult to accept that he has died because we have no concrete proof."
"In the back of our minds we know that he has died but we will never be able to move on from that, he will always be a missing person."
Madeleine McCann vanished from a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz in Portugal in May 2007, aged three.
Kate and Gerry McCann were out for dinner with friends when the toddler disappeared.
The Home Office revealed it has granted further funds to the Madeleine McCann investigation - Operation Grange - believed to be as large as £150,000.
More than £11 million has been spent so far on the probe to find the missing girl.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/ben-needhams-tearful-mum-slams-12271252
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Obviously I have every sympathy for these parents of missing children - even when it turns out they had something to do with it. Losing a child must be terrible, whatever the circumstances.
As per my own thread on this particular case, I am not satisfied that all possibilities have been exhaustively investigated.
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Wonder where this leaves the investigation now.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/missing-toddler-ben-needhams-mum-dealt-devastating-blow-with-new-dna-results/ar-BBQgS2e?ocid=spartanntp
"The mum of missing British toddler Ben Needham has been told DNA found on a toy car does not belong to her missing son."
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South Yorkshire Police won't be doing anything;
Detective Chief Insp Jon Cousins, said: “Despite this forensic examination and result, it is still my professional belief based on all the evidence that Ben died as a result of a tragic incident at the farmhouse in Kos involving heavy machinery.
“We will continue to support Ben’s family and the Greek authorities, who retain primacy, should any further information come to light.”
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/missing-toddler-ben-needhams-mum-dealt-devastating-blow-with-new-dna-results/ar-BBQgS2e?ocid=spartanntp