Could the Rettendon Two be a potential MoJ.

[Holly Goodhead]

   you must be knackered.

No, dislexyc.

But he says things like ..."contract killings within the criminal fraternity".  He didn't need to say "within the criminal fraternity" because contract killings in the UK are illegal and therefore by definition only carried out by criminals.

http://www.carmelitechambers.co.uk/documents/cv/David_Lederman_CV.pdf

The above is nothing to do with dyslexia. 

[Holly Goodhead]

Is the one in blue a phone call from Tucker to Anna Whitehead, rather than the other way round?

No I don't believe so as at the start it says there are 26 messages and the above is 1/26. 

[Holly Goodhead]

No I don't believe so as at the start it says there are 26 messages and the above is 1/26.

It seems to me Anna dials the number and we're then hearing the phones ring between her phone and Tucker's mobile.  Someone or something effectively answers Tucker's phone but there's no response.  She is then mystified as to what has happened and says something like 'he's put the fcuking phone down'.  As Tucker's phone was effectively answered she is unable to leave a message.  She then calls back and Tucker's phone goes into  voice mail and she leaves the message about being at Joy's/on the drive and reminds him of the Basildon tel no.

All the other calls contain a single bleep enabling the caller to leave a message.

I wonder how Tucker's voice mail messages ended up in the public domain?  Did the police/experts examine the phones or just rely on data provided by the tel comm co's?  Surely it would be a disciplinary matter if police, or anyone connected to the case in a professional capacity, uploaded to the internet despite the fact it may have been before Data Protection Act.  If the phone was returned to Tucker's next of kin which was most probably his parents why would they upload?   

[Holly Goodhead]

I wonder if one or more of the murdered trio used 1 or more mobile phones? 

[Chud]

I wonder how Tucker's voice mail messages ended up in the public domain?  Did the police/experts examine the phones or just rely on data provided by the tel comm co's?  Surely it would be a disciplinary matter if police, or anyone connected to the case in a professional capacity, uploaded to the internet despite the fact it may have been before Data Protection Act.  If the phone was returned to Tucker's next of kin which was most probably his parents why would they upload?

Most of the reference material including photos, case notes, call recordings etc were loaded up a long time ago by Bernard O'Mahoney a well known associate of the three victims and a figure in the Essex Boy's case and subsequent films and books. He had a website packed full of the stuff. Quite how he got access to this material initially I do not know.

[Chud]

I wonder if one or more of the murdered trio used 1 or more mobile phones?

I believe Tate had another mobile which as apparently used at some time after 21:00 on the night of the 6th December 1995 to call a girlfriend of his (Clare / Claire). I believe this fact was used by Steele in an attempt to overturn the conviction at some point but it was thrown out. I don't know the full facts but believe it was ruled out because the phone wasn't with Tate on the night.. the exact details I'm unsure of.

[Holly Goodhead]

Most of the reference material including photos, case notes, call recordings etc were loaded up a long time ago by Bernard O'Mahoney a well known associate of the three victims and a figure in the Essex Boy's case and subsequent films and books. He had a website packed full of the stuff. Quite how he got access to this material initially I do not know.

Yes I've heard about this website but unfortunately it no longer exists.

Maybe it was agreed by all concerned ie Steele/Whomes and their respective legal teams that O'Mahoney would upload for discussion?  Similar happened with Jeremy Bamber and Mike Tesko. 

[Holly Goodhead]

I believe Tate had another mobile which as apparently used at some time after 21:00 on the night of the 6th December 1995 to call a girlfriend of his (Clare / Claire). I believe this fact was used by Steele in an attempt to overturn the conviction at some point but it was thrown out. I don't know the full facts but believe it was ruled out because the phone wasn't with Tate on the night.. the exact details I'm unsure of.

According to Donna Jagger's WS 'Clare' was Tate's date for the meal in Romford table booked at 8pm.  I don't think there's any doubt a restaurant booking existed for 8pm @ Romford but this doesn't really tie in with other known facts/times:

- Rolfe's Range Rover last confirmed sighting at Lakeside CCTV @ 6PM

- Back to Donna Jagger's WS she states Rolfe dropped her off at Lakeside at 5.45pm ostensibly to buy something new to wear for the night out.  He asked her to be ready for 7pm but it is not clear if he was going to pick her up from Lakeside or their home in nearby Chafford Hundred which is only a short distance so walkable.   

- The murdered trio had been or were going to TGI Friday's at Lakeside.  This included Rolfe, Tate and Peter Cuthbert. 

- Rolfe had apparently been at his home with Donna Jagger and their young daughter (6/7 yoa) prior to the pair leaving for Lakeside.

- No mention of what happened to the daughter ie did she go to Lakeside?  Was she dropped off at babysitters or did a babysitter call?  I doubt they intended taking her to the meal at Romford.

- Although she states when Rolfe dropped her off at Lakeside he was then going to collect Tucker from his home (Fobbing) did she misunderstand and was Tucker still at TGI Friday's Lakeside either alone or with Tate and/or Peter Cuthbert and they were picked up from there?

- Assuming Rolfe picked up Tucker from Fobbing did they then go to Basildon to pick up Tate or was Tate at Tucker's? 

- Did the murdered trio then go to Rettendon or prior to this did they go to Halfway House and/or Hungry Horse to meet Steele as claimed by Nicholls? 

I will do some timelines later.  Whichever option they took meant they were running late in terms of getting back home to collect girlfriends and yet it does not appear any of the trio called their respective girlfriends.

- It seems Clare, Tate's date for the night, was a casual girlfriend.  Donna Jagger lived with Rolfe and it is clear from tel schedules Tucker's girlfriend, Anna Whitehead, had access to his property since she was calling from his landline.  Therefore I'm more inclined to think Donna Jagger and Anna Whitehead would know more about Rolfe/Tucker's whereabouts, what they were up, who they were meeting and if they used multiple mobile phones they are more likely to have had the numbers.  I think it unlikely Clare received a call from Tate at circa 9pm when it doesn't appear Donna or Anna received any calls.  In fact the tel schedules show tel contact between Donna and Anna which no doubt involved conversations about the whereabouts of Rolfe/Tucker and the fact they were unable to make contact with them when they were expecting to be picked up wined and dined! 

- Although Donna Jagger claims in a WS Rolfe was off to meet 'Mickey the pilot' I've not seen any such info from Anna Whitehead?  What did she have to say about Tucker's whereabouts?

- Donna Jagger gave a press conference a day or so after the murders.  She appealed for info.  Why did she not provide police with info re 'Mickey the pilot' at the time?  If she did why did she repeat it in her WS of 14th March?   

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6020.msg508993#msg508993

[Chud]

According to Donna Jagger's WS 'Clare' was Tate's date for the meal in Romford table booked at 8pm.  I don't think there's any doubt a restaurant booking existed for 8pm @ Romford but this doesn't really tie in with other known facts/times:

- Rolfe's Range Rover last confirmed sighting at Lakeside CCTV @ 6PM

Glad you mentioned this point. As far as I'm aware, and I have only read it on this forum, and the source appears to be from the crimewatch program. It is an important point but I have watched that program and they only say the last sighting was around 18:00 when Rolfe dropped off his girlfriend at Lakeside. No mention of CCTV. Would like to know the source if anyone has it as it appears to be "Mandela Effect or Illusory truth".

- Back to Donna Jagger's WS she states Rolfe dropped her off at Lakeside at 5.45pm ostensibly to buy something new to wear for the night out.  He asked her to be ready for 7pm but it is not clear if he was going to pick her up from Lakeside or their home in nearby Chafford Hundred which is only a short distance so walkable.   

- The murdered trio had been or were going to TGI Friday's at Lakeside.  This included Rolfe, Tate and Peter Cuthbert. 

They visited TGI Fridays in the afternoon of the 06/12/95. This was verified by a waitress statement which includes some flirting by Tucker and a call made to some doormen colleagues in the presence of the waitress to find out which one of the waitress knew from being a clubber.

- Rolfe had apparently been at his home with Donna Jagger and their young daughter (6/7 yoa) prior to the pair leaving for Lakeside.

- No mention of what happened to the daughter ie did she go to Lakeside?  Was she dropped off at babysitters or did a babysitter call?  I doubt they intended taking her to the meal at Romford.

Yep, no word on baby sitting arrangements or whether the daughter was taken to Lakeside or left with anyone at home?

- Although she states when Rolfe dropped her off at Lakeside he was then going to collect Tucker from his home (Fobbing) did she misunderstand and was Tucker still at TGI Friday's Lakeside either alone or with Tate and/or Peter Cuthbert and they were picked up from there?

No, it was supposed to be pick up Tucker from his home in Fobbing then pickup Tate from Gordon Road.

- Assuming Rolfe picked up Tucker from Fobbing did they then go to Basildon to pick up Tate or was Tate at Tucker's? 

- Did the murdered trio then go to Rettendon or prior to this did they go to Halfway House and/or Hungry Horse to meet Steele as claimed by Nicholls? 

There was a reliable sighting of all three men in the Range Rover at 18:05 on 06/12/95 driving along Cranes Farm Road (West travelling). This was from an employee of a tyre fitting business located in Cranes Farm Close who knew the men personally.

I will do some timelines later.  Whichever option they took meant they were running late in terms of getting back home to collect girlfriends and yet it does not appear any of the trio called their respective girlfriends.

- It seems Clare, Tate's date for the night, was a casual girlfriend.  Donna Jagger lived with Rolfe and it is clear from tel schedules Tucker's girlfriend, Anna Whitehead, had access to his property since she was calling from his landline.  Therefore I'm more inclined to think Donna Jagger and Anna Whitehead would know more about Rolfe/Tucker's whereabouts, what they were up, who they were meeting and if they used multiple mobile phones they are more likely to have had the numbers.  I think it unlikely Clare received a call from Tate at circa 9pm when it doesn't appear Donna or Anna received any calls.  In fact the tel schedules show tel contact between Donna and Anna which no doubt involved conversations about the whereabouts of Rolfe/Tucker and the fact they were unable to make contact with them when they were expecting to be picked up wined and dined! 

- Although Donna Jagger claims in a WS Rolfe was off to meet 'Mickey the pilot' I've not seen any such info from Anna Whitehead?  What did she have to say about Tucker's whereabouts?

- Donna Jagger gave a press conference a day or so after the murders.  She appealed for info.  Why did she not provide police with info re 'Mickey the pilot' at the time?  If she did why did she repeat it in her WS of 14th March?   

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6020.msg508993#msg508993

[Holly Goodhead]

Yep you're right the crimewatch prog doesn't actually refer to any cctv just last sighted leaving Lakeside at 6pm.  I think it was wishful thinking on my behalf that some fixed reliable data point existed whereas in reality there's nothing!

From the first time of reading Donna Jagger's WS it didn't and doesn't make sense to me and I very much question whether it is her authentic account of how events played out:

- This is subjective but all the women I know, self included, would not want to get ready for a night out: shower, wash hair, style hair, make up and then go walkies around a shopping centre looking for something new to wear.  Given she was supposedly dropped off circa 6pm and had to be ready for 7pm she would not have time to find something new to wear, get home and then do all the showering etc. 

- The distance from Lakeside to Chafford Hundred is 2.8 miles.  The average human walks approx 1 mile per 15 mins so realistically would not have had time to find something to wear, walk home and be ready for 7pm.  Plus it was dark, cold and possibly icy, snowy. 

- In some parts of the WS it is deatailed eg wrapping Christmas presents and then vague in other parts eg was she expecting Rolfe to pick her up from Lakeside or did she get a cab home (that's assuming she even went to the shopping centre!)

- As I said nothing about what the intentions were with regards to the young daughter 6/7 yoa.  Clearly too young to stay home alone.  Did she go to the shopping centre?  Babysitter?  Or babysitter arrived at their home?

- Nothing in her WS about calling Rolfe on his mobile in an attempt to discover his whereabouts or his associates eg Tate, Tucker and others. 

- We know she had tel contact with Tucker's girlfriend on eve of 6th Dec and morning of 7th Dec from the tel schedules but no mention of this.

- Whatever anyone thought/thinks of Rolfe this was her man and father to their daughter.  She was clearly upset as evidenced by her press conference.  A vulnerable woman who may have been putty in the hands of certain police officers. Eg if officers put to her they knew 'Mickey the pilot was responsible but they lacked the evidence' she may well have gone along with it especially if officers used veiled threats eg 'we have evidence Rolfe was dealing drugs but if you can assist we can probably overlook any confiscation order re proceeds of crime.  Anna Whitehead might have been a different kettle of fish.

- It would seem pretty odd if Anna Whitehead was not interviewed.  What did she have to say?  Was she a witness at trial in any capacity?

- So they were at TGI Friday's in the afternoon and all left.  What evidence is there that Rolfe picked up Tucker and then Tate from their respective homes?

- An online video places Rolfe at a police station close to his home at circa 4.30pm.

- You mention the tyre employee and I noted in the tel schedules calls between Tate/Tucker and Basildon Tyre Service.  Why was it deemed appropriate to leave these calls in but omit many of the others we know were made from Tucker's voice mail?  This may be genuine and tyres sought to replace any damaged when Tate crashed Tucker's Porsche.  Fool should only have lent Porsche to the more careful and competent female drivers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnJOC_dDXzM   

[Chud]

That Youtube link, just freaked me out.. I was only watching that the other. Sabine is an amazing driver.. you should see her throw a transit van around that same track.

[Chud]

02/01/96 - STATEMENT of ANDREW CHARLES REYNOLDS

NAME: ANDREW CHARLES REYNOLDS
AGE / DATE OF BIRTH: 26 02121969

Who states:- This statement consisting of 005 pages, each signed by me, is true to the best of my knowledge and belief and I make it knowing that if it is tendered in evidence I shall be liable to prosecution if I have wilfully stated in it anything which I know to be false or do not believe to be true.

DATED: 020196
A C REYNOLDS (SIGNED)

I currently work as a mechanic at Basildon Tyre Services, Cranes Close, Basildon where I have worked for the last year. There are four other people who work at the garage they are Colin RUSSELL, the new manager, Steve THOMAS who is like the assistant manager and two tyre fitters Alan CREW and Rob who I can not remember his surname.

Part of our work involves carrying out repair work on motor vehicles. Since my school days I knew Craig ROLFE on a friendship basis only but not on a social level. After I started working at the garage I became aware of Craig ROLFE's friends whom he socialised with these were Tony TUCKER and PAT TATE.

I knew Tony before but only as a person who used to work on the doors at night clubs. Pat TATE I only met a few months ago when he came with Craig and Tony into the garage when I was working. From early 001195 Craig started to bring vehicles to the garage to be fixed.

The first vehicle was a Peugeot which over a period of a week or so Craig brought it in twice, first for the brakes and secondly for the engine which had blown. As a result of this Craig borrowed a blue 'J' registered Vauxhall Fronteira from the garage. Due to having the vehicle in, Craig always used to ring the garage to check up on it.

Around about 290000, 301195 Tony and Craig brought in a private plated Vitara motor vehicle coloured metallic blue and grey for new tyres. I had been awaiting this vehicle as Craig had been ringing us to ask us when we had the tyres ready.

As far as I am aware the Vitara belonged to Tony's girlfriend. They took the vehicle the same day, having waited for the tyres to be fitted, however on the following Monday, 041295 the Vitara was brought back to us as it had lost reverse. The following day 051295 Tony called the garage and asked to pick up the Vitara however the vehicle needed longer for repair so it was kept until the 061200.

On 061295 I was again working at the garage when about 1000 hours to 1100 hours Pat TATE arrived at the garage with a girl I knew only as Pat's girlfriend Liz. They arrived by car, Pat in his black E or F registered 190 Mercedes and Liz in a Polo motor vehicle black in colour on an E or F plate.

The Polo was left at the garage for repair and Pat then phoned someone who he called Tony and I took this to be Tony TUCKER. He asked him about the Vitara and arrangements were made that Pat would take the Vitara away and Liz drove the Mercedes away.

Some time that afternoon Steve told me that Pat had telephoned and from talking with Steve I understood that Pat was desperate to get the Polo back for his girlfriend. Later that day I received a call at the garage from Pat who asked about collecting the Polo and arrangements were made that if Pat had not turned up by 1800 hours when we were due to close then I would leave the Polo on the forecourt with the keys in the glovebox.

At 1800 hours on 061295 the garage closed and I left the Polo on the forecourt with the keys in as arranged with Pat. As I drove away from the garage in my white Astra van registration C385VAA, Steve was behind me in his E registered grey BMW 325 and in front up me was Alan in in blue Orion the registration I knew as G- ENO.

I drove onto Cranes Close and along Cranes Farm Road towards the roundabout junction with East Maine. Basildon. As I got to the roundabout, the time was only about 1805 hours, I saw a blue Range Rover which I recognised as one Craig, Tony and Pat use.

I knew it was them and their Range Rover as I had seen them with it on several occasions before. I could clearly see Craig was driving, Tony was in the front passenger seat and their was a stocky male between the seats at the back and I took this to be Pat TATE as this was the usual way they sat when I had seen them in the past.

They were travelling on the other side of Cranes Farm Road in the opposite direction to me, heading towards the garage and I thought they were going to collect the Polo. I recall the registration of the Range Rover as an 'F' plate. About 2100 hours to 2200 hours that evening I had cause to drive down Cranes Farm Close and past the garage.

I looked and saw the Polo had gone and I took it that Pat had collected it. I never saw Craig, Tony and Pat again. Some time in the afternoon of Thursday 071295 I was working at the garage when I heard that all three had been found dead in a Range Rover. This started as a result of calls being made to the garage about a report of a Range Rover being found with three dead people inside.

Believing it was Craig. Pat and Tony I telephoned Pat's girlfriend 'Liz' about 1400 hours to 1500 hours that same afternoon. I telephoned one of Pat's mobile phone numbers which was answered by a female who I took to be 'Liz'. I asked her about the killings and she said she didn't know anything.

On Tuesday 020195 police attended my home and asked me about telephone calls recorded as having been made to the garage. I can only state that these calls would all have been in relation to the vehicles Craig, Pat and Tony had either left with us or were making arrangements to drop them off.

The telephone number for the garage for people to call outside the company is 01268 - 520537. There is another number but this is for company use only. I only saw the three in the vehicle at 1805 hours on 060000 and I did not look to see if there was anyone else. I cannot recall what they were wearing.

A C REYNOLDS SIGNED
STATEMENT TAKEN PLACE:
TIME: 2015
DATE: 020196
WITNESS TO SIGNATURE:
OFFICERS SIGNATURE: PC537 CHAPPLE

[Holly Goodhead]

Chud thanks.  I'll read later.  Sadly have to do some housework now 

Meanwhile I just wanted to upload this while I have it marked.  I would like to identify on an ordnance survey map the exact location where the Range Rover was found.  Is this it here?

https://osmaps.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/51.65536,0.55227,14/pin


Grid Ref TQ 79654 98869

Thanks to anyone who might know the answer.

[Chud]

Holly,

51.642250, 0.558556

This is the exact location give or take a few feet. The lane has been resurfaced and widened since 1995 so it doesn't look that familiar from the original photos.

https://osmaps.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/51.64225,0.55855,16/pin

Regards

[Myster]

From Google street-view.  Can't resize unfortunately.  Rettendon Hall bottom right.  New War Memorial for Operation Sweet Pea on land donated by the Theobalds (yellow square at the end of the widened crime scene farm track) - https://www.royal-naval-association.co.uk/news/rayleigh-branch-operation-sweet-pea/
Red pointer probably slightly out, should be further down the track north easterly.