Sceptics beliefs ?

[Venturi Swirl]

Methane masks the cadaver smell,or what ever the terminology is,so dogs aren't of worth in that,didn't you wonder why no dogs were used at the landfill looking for Mckeague.

I was talking about BEFORE they got to landfill, sniffing every bin outsode every home for corpses.  You know it makes sense!

[Robittybob1]

Crikey.  Uncovered corpse.  Please  fill in the details.  Where's the popcorn?

Well  there hardly time to bury her.

[Wonderfulspam]

The supporters believe she was abducted,at what  time  and why that time? and what point of egress from 5a?
Tannerman saw nothing suspicious this is known because Redwood emphasised a shift in the time.

Assuming the abductor is Smithman, IMO, he entered the apartment around 9.40 via the front door, using a key that he somehow acquired. He then entered the childrens bedroom & sedated all 3 children. He opened the window & shutters to disperse the smell of chloroform or whatever it was he used, then, he lifted Maddie off the bed & passed her out the window to his abductor accomplice who was keeping watch. He then left the apartment via the front door, which he locked behind him. They headed for the getaway car, that broke down, so they ran off in seperate directions. The one who took Maddie decided to change her pyjama top for some reason, before heading down Rui Escola, past the Smith family & toward the beach, where another abductor accomplice was waiting in a speedboat as a back up plan just incase the getaway car failed.....

[Venturi Swirl]

None that you will accept that is.
The Maddie in the bin theory is quick & simple. I haven't seen it debunked anywhere.

So for this to work we have to accept:
1) some if not all the dog alerts were wrong
2) Gerry was in two places at once
3) Gerry had the cunning to stage an abduction scenario but then effed it all up by not jemmying the shutters despite telling everyone they had been
4) Gerry had the brazen balls to carry his dead daughter through town, uncovered, past numerous witnesses and then 24 hours go on TV appealing for her return.
5) Portuguese binmen aren’t very observant but very prompt at bin emptying.
6) the PJ are not very clever as they should have been straight down the local tipon day one.

Anything else?

[Venturi Swirl]

Just vulnerable kids would be a start. But if you feel you require a babysitter as grown ass adult human being, go ahead.

I was referring to a measure to stop murderers using bins as a failsafe way of disposing of corpses.  What are you talking about?

[Venturi Swirl]

Crikey.  Uncovered corpse.  Please  fill in the details.  Where's the popcorn?

Dunno, have some bubblegum, you’re fond of that. 

[Erngath]

So for this to work we have to accept:
1) some if not all the dog alerts were wrong
2) Gerry was in two places at once
3) Gerry had the cunning to stage an abduction scenario but then effed it all up by not jemmying the shutters despite telling everyone they had been
4) Gerry had the brazen balls to carry his dead daughter through town, uncovered, past numerous witnesses and then 24 hours go on TV appealing for her return.
5) Portuguese binmen aren’t very observant but very prompt at bin emptying.
6) the PJ are not very clever as they should have been straight down the local tipon day one.

Anything else?

No doubt there is?

[Venturi Swirl]

In what rational time scale did an alleged abductor spirit Madeleine away

Hmm, let’s see - how many minutes do you think you need to enter an unlocked flat, pick up a sleeping child, leave the apartment and walk to a near y parked car?  More or less than one?

[Wonderfulspam]

So for this to work we have to accept:
1) some if not all the dog alerts were wrong
2) Gerry was in two places at once
3) Gerry had the cunning to stage an abduction scenario but then effed it all up by not jemmying the shutters despite telling everyone they had been
4) Gerry had the brazen balls to carry his dead daughter through town, uncovered, past numerous witnesses and then 24 hours go on TV appealing for her return.
5) Portuguese binmen aren’t very observant but very prompt at bin emptying.
6) the PJ are not very clever as they should have been straight down the local tipon day one.

Anything else?

1) We are always told dog alerts prove nothing.
2) Gerry searched alone as they split up during the first searches.
3) I thought you said the jemmied shutters claim was never made?
4) Well, he didn't have a car at that point.
5) Wheelie bins are emptied mechanically.
6) The PJ were pointed in the direction of Tannerman.

[Robittybob1]

I was talking about BEFORE they got to landfill, sniffing every bin outsode every home for corpses.  You know it makes sense!

You need thousands of dogs and trainers..  How reliable would the cadaver dogs have to be to be allowed on the job?  The cost of dong that would be millions of pounds a week.  You find a few unreported babies, miscarriages, tissues from bleeding noses and cut fingers.  What about all the sanitary pads?  They'd all raise an alert.  Who'd be checking the bins alerted to?  You'd need a another few thousand forensic detectives to do that as well.

[Wonderfulspam]

Hmm, let’s see - how many minutes do you think you need to enter an unlocked flat, pick up a sleeping child, leave the apartment and walk to a near y parked car?  More or less than one?

You forgot the window.

[Venturi Swirl]

Assuming the abductor is Smithman, IMO, he entered the apartment around 9.40 via the front door, using a key that he somehow acquired. He then entered the childrens bedroom & sedated all 3 children. He opened the window & shutters to disperse the smell of chloroform or whatever it was he used, then, he lifted Maddie off the bed & passed her out the window to his abductor accomplice who was keeping watch. He then left the apartment via the front door, which he locked behind him. They headed for the getaway car, that broke down, so they ran off in seperate directions. The one who took Maddie decided to change her pyjama top for some reason, before heading down Rui Escola, past the Smith family & toward the beach, where another abductor accomplice was waiting in a speedboat as a back up plan just incase the getaway car failed.....

No need to sedate anyone.  No need for a broken down car.  No need for a change of PJs, apart from that a very good attempt.

[Wonderfulspam]

No need to sedate anyone.  No need for a broken down car.  No need for a change of PJs, apart from that a very good attempt.

Better than yours, at least I accounted for all the evidence....

[Erngath]

Better than yours, at least I accounted for all the evidence....

And all the evidence you believe in has been  presumably looked at by both investigations or do you believe it has not?

[Venturi Swirl]

1) We are always told dog alerts prove nothing.
2) Gerry searched alone as they split up during the first searches.
3) I thought you said the jemmied shutters claim was never made?
4) Well, he didn't have a car at that point.
5) Wheelie bins are emptied mechanically.
6) The PJ were pointed in the direction of Tannerman.

1) OK dog alerts dismissed, hurrah
2) So Gerry was Smithman AFTER the alert was raised?  Tell me more...
3) YOU claimed the jemmied shutters claim was made?  So we can dismiss that too?  Hurrah.  But why fake an abduction and then not actually fake a break in?
4) Correct, so Gerry DOES have brazen balls, and didn’t mind being observed carrying his dead daughter and then having his face plastered all over the media not caring if he was id’ed or not because he KNEW his method of body disposal was foolproof.
5) Binmen never observe the contents of bins in Portugal, the robots take care of everything, who knew.
6) The PJ really weren’t very clever if they fell for the old Tannerman fake sighting, alibi malarkey, oldest trick in the book!