Sceptics beliefs ?

[Eleanor]

Big man, old ground again, but both Kate and Gerry told numerous friends and family, and in turn they told the media many, many times.
Unless the friends and family all lied, of course. Or Gerry and/or Kate lied, of course.

You obviously don't understand the term, "Jemmied."  And I thought you were from Glasgow.

[Mr Gray]

No it's not, racist*. There's a very well established list of people who all went on record and discussed 'jemmied' or a variation thereof and they all state Kate or Gerry said so.
I would be arsed to provide a list, but you would dismiss it out of hand, so no real point.


*That's a joke, you're not racist, big man.

AFAIAC...neither kate nor Gerry used teh ...they were under the impression taht the window had been forced open...which suggests to me they were telling the truth

[The General]

You obviously don't understand the term, "Jemmied."  And I thought you were from Glasgow.

Jemmied: To crack open with a big, old crow bar. To go equipped to break and enter. To lever open a locked shutter, window, roller shutter, car door.
I understand the term alright. But an unlocked shutter doesnae need nae jemmyin.
'Look, I can literally open it from the outside, look everyone, it merely pushes up'.
Hence the revisionism.

[The General]

AFAIAC...neither kate nor Gerry used teh ...they were under the impression taht the window had been forced open...which suggests to me they were telling the truth

So all of these friends and family all decided upon the same term independently of eachother?
Maybe they were telling the truth, maybe they thought they had been jemmied. Without checking.

[Eleanor]

Jemmied: To crack open with a big, old crow bar. To go equipped to break and enter. To lever open a locked shutter, window, roller shutter, car door.
I understand the term alright. But an unlocked shutter doesnae need nae jemmyin.
'Look, I can literally open it from the outside, look everyone, it merely pushes up'.
Hence the revisionism.

This does not always require a Jemmy.

[G-Unit]

If the PJ had been eise they would have recorded the statements in English... It was pretty stupid of them not to

When visiting other coountries it's necessary to accept that they do things differently.

[The General]

This does not always require a Jemmy.

A large screwdriver? A wrecking bar? A 1t excavator? A lollipop stick? A twig? A Twiglet? A 0.4mm Feeler Gauge? A horse's femur? A scaffold pole? A carrot?
Are we agreed that the implement needs to be at least stronger than the material of the mechanism which it is forcing?

[Mr Gray]

When visiting other coountries it's necessary to accept that they do things differently.

doesnt make it right...a recent case in DUbai where the statement was written in arabic with no translation offered and the suspect forced to sign...by your argument you class taht as acceptable

[The General]

doesnt make it right...a recent case in DUbai where the statement was written in arabic with no translation offered and the suspect forced to sign...by your argument you class taht as acceptable

Dubai with their version of Shari'a law? That Dubai?

[Eleanor]

A large screwdriver? A wrecking bar? A 1t excavator? A lollipop stick? A twig? A Twiglet? A 0.4mm Feeler Gauge? A horse's femur? A scaffold pole? A carrot?
Are we agreed that the implement needs to be at least stronger than the material of the mechanism which it is forcing?

Forcing what?  The Shutters were later found to be lifted by hand by a Sceptic.  But no one knew that at the time.

Jemmied for Breaking In has long been common parlance in Glasgow.

[G-Unit]

doesnt make it right...a recent case in DUbai where the statement was written in arabic with no translation offered and the suspect forced to sign...by your argument you class taht as acceptable

Why should it be acceptable to British people? Who put us in charge of what's right or wrong? It's not as though our judiciary and police are perfect; they're not.

[jassi]

Why should it be acceptable to British people? Who put us in charge of what's right or wrong? It's not as though our judiciary and police are perfect; they're not.

It's not a matter  of right or wrong, it's a matter of what is legally required or accepted in the country involved.

[Mr Gray]

Why should it be acceptable to British people? Who put us in charge of what's right or wrong? It's not as though our judiciary and police are perfect; they're not.

Then you have no concept of justice and... Right and wrong

Portugal is a signatory to the Echr....I doubt the way statements were taken would be regarded as acceptable..

[Angelo222]

Then you have no concept of justice and... Right and wrong

Portugal is a signatory to the Echr....I doubt the way statements were taken would be regarded as acceptable..

In what way were they not acceptable iyo?

[Eleanor]

In what way were they not acceptable iyo?

No Proof that they were accurate.