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Other High Profile Cases and Persons of Interest => Oscar Pistorius and the killing of girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp. => Topic started by: Tim Invictus on February 25, 2014, 10:51:10 AM
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The trial is going to be televised starting 3rd March '14! This is going to be another O J Simpson type circus ..... they will probably show the Dewani trial too if he ever faces justice!
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Oh for Gods sake.
He shot the woman several times through a locked bathroom door.
How on earth do people feel he is innocent?
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The trial is going to be televised starting 3rd March '14! This is going to be another O J Simpson type circus ..... they will probably show the Dewani trial too if he ever faces justice!
Well, they say the rich and famous dont get convicted ever if they are guilty
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2564446/Olympian-Oscar-Pistorius-not-KILLED-girlfriend-deliberately-new-evidence-The-Blade-Runner-likely-did-not-prostheses-time-shooting.html
PS Why does the daily mail not allow comments " for legal reasons" in a case happening in South Africa with no links to the UK but allows comments on an onging case ie Knox, oh well
Eta I meant in Italy and nothing to do with the UK either (legally speaking though Meredith was British)
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Oh for Gods sake.
He shot the woman several times through a locked bathroom door.
How on earth do people feel he is innocent?
Innocent of what? He's admitted he shot her. He says it was a tragic mistake thinking that it was a dangerous intruder. The prosecution says it was murder.
Whatever happened, I hope that his trial - and the reporting of it - are fair.
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His version of events has many flaws in it. For instance,he managed to locate his gun,put on his legs (eventually) and other things all in the dark but couldn't see that Reeva was not in the bed? He says he shouted to what he thought was an intruder and to Reeva before he fired the shots. Why did Reeva then not respond if she was just innocently using the toilet? And surely she would have screamed out after the first shot and at that point he would have realised it was her and yet he fired more shots. Sorry,but I don't find him believable.
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I agree Amanda, the evidence of guilt is overwhelming. I hope Pistorius gets life and Shrien Dewani the same; the South African prison system is missing two lifers in my opinion!
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Innocent of what? He's admitted he shot her. He says it was a tragic mistake thinking that it was a dangerous intruder. The prosecution says it was murder.
Whatever happened, I hope that his trial - and the reporting of it - are fair.
Thats one of the reasons the authorities have agreed it can be televised.
His version of events has many flaws in it. For instance,he managed to locate his gun,put on his legs (eventually) and other things all in the dark but couldn't see that Reeva was not in the bed? He says he shouted to what he thought was an intruder and to Reeva before he fired the shots. Why did Reeva then not respond if she was just innocently using the toilet? And surely she would have screamed out after the first shot and at that point he would have realised it was her and yet he fired more shots. Sorry,but I don't find him believable.
See my link above from the Daily Mail, thats exactly what some witnesses are saying.
Meanwhile
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/oscar-pistorius/10664950/Oscar-Pistorius-police-fly-to-Apple-HQ-in-California-to-access-deleted-phone-messages.html
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His version of events has many flaws in it. For instance,he managed to locate his gun,put on his legs (eventually) and other things all in the dark but couldn't see that Reeva was not in the bed? He says he shouted to what he thought was an intruder and to Reeva before he fired the shots. Why did Reeva then not respond if she was just innocently using the toilet? And surely she would have screamed out after the first shot and at that point he would have realised it was her and yet he fired more shots. Sorry,but I don't find him believable.
You hear a noise in your apartment. What is the first thing you do?
You wake your partner tell them to be quiet and ring the gate security, then you get your gun, screw on your leg and go investigate.
I have never heard such a load of garbage. I think personally he was suffering from PTSD and something triggered an attack in his head and his girlfriend paid the price. IMHO.
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You hear a noise in your apartment. What is the first thing you do?
You wake your partner tell them to be quiet and ring the gate security, then you get your gun, screw on your leg and go investigate.
I have never heard such a load of garbage. I think personally he was suffering from PTSD and something triggered an attack in his head and his girlfriend paid the price. IMHO.
PTSD ?... because his girlfriend was about to leave him and they'd just had a loud argument, or because he heard somebody breaking into the apartment ?
Aren't you thinking of Shrien Dewani ?
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PTSD ?... because his girlfriend was about to leave him and they'd just had a loud argument, or because he heard somebody breaking into the apartment ?
Aren't you thinking of Shrien Dewani ?
NO, I am not thinking of Shrien Dewani. I just wonder if something happened to him after his near death experience in 2009 after his serious accident, it effected his training for a year and I noted too that later in that year he was arrested for allegedly slamming a door on a woman at his home.
From what i have read he appears to have become obsessed with guns, and safety in his home, and his relationship with Reeva Steenkamp was becoming strange for her, and he was changing.
Just because he lost his legs at 11 months, doesnt mean there isnt some hidden trauma going on in his head.
I just find it so odd, that before 2009 he seemed perfectly happy, but afterwards over time he changed. This is only what I have read, I dont know him, but a couple of his friends said he had changed.
Something made him react irrationally, OR with intent on that night his girlfriend died, I dont think for one moment a sane man would have reacted in the way he did, after hearing a noise in the apartment unless of course he was out of his brain on alcohol or drugs. My opinion purely, just find it odd and unbelievable, that he would not check the safety of his girlfriend first.....
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Reeva had her mobile phone with her in that locked toilet at 3.00am. I think that speaks volumes; in my opinion she locked herself in there because she was scared of OP. He then lost all control and deliberately shot her through the door.
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Reeva had her mobile phone with her in that locked toilet at 3.00am. I think that speaks volumes; in my opinion she locked herself in there because she was scared of OP. He then lost all control and deliberately shot her through the door.
None of it adds up, too many iffy excuses.
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Even if his ridiculous story is true, OP is guilty of gross criminal negligence and should spend many years in prison even on that basis!
Even if there had been a burglar behind that locked door, is someone fully armed justified in shooting through the door to kill? He should have at least challenged the 'burglar' first whilst perhaps firing a warning shot. The logical thing to have done would have been to keep the toilet door covered with his 9mm while getting Reeva to call the police and the compound's security.
I smell another OJ Simpson style travesty of justice being played out!
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Wasnt she chatting to an ex or had met him that day ? that could have been the cause of an argument and him feeling so insecure and jealous he lost it
Was Valentines day too
I agree the story "as presented" does not add up as are most false stories
http://news.sky.com/story/1218849/oscar-pistorius-lawyers-prepare-for-showdown
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Common sense tells us that the series of events which Pistorius claims are basically codswallop. Nobody in their right mind would shoot multiple times blindly through a bathroom door not knowing where your partner was at that very moment in time.
At the very least he is guilty of criminal endangerment causing death.
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Common sense tells us that the series of events which Pistorius claims are basically codswallop. Nobody in their right mind would shoot multiple times blindly through a bathroom door not knowing where your partner was at that very moment in time.
At the very least he is guilty of criminal endangerment causing death.
His defence is indeed codswallop, I don't think the guy has a leg to stand on.
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I read OP had been surfing internet porn that night while Reeva was there. Strange thing to be doing when your FHM model girlfriend is in the house!
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I read OP had been surfing internet porn that night while Reeva was there. Strange thing to be doing when your FHM model girlfriend is in the house!
There is a history in this case Tim which no doubt will all come out in court.
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How many bullets were fired?
I am going to assume he didn't kill her with the first bullet, it would be a shot in a million if he did.
No, I think he shot, she screamed, he kept shooting because he wanted to kill her.
End of story.
Him and his legs will spend the rest of their existence in jail.
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How many bullets were fired?
I am going to assume he didn't kill her with the first bullet, it would be a shot in a million if he did.
No, I think he shot, she screamed, he kept shooting because he wanted to kill her.
End of story.
Him and his legs will spend the rest of their existence in jail.
I do think this is correct, SW.
But it is the South African justice system that is on trial here - will be very interesting to see how things work out for him.
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Are there any decent websites dedicated to this case? Would like to read up on it.
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Are there any decent websites dedicated to this case? Would like to read up on it.
Good question, Andrea, I am looking into that myself. This is going to be an interesting case.
Nice to be 'talking' with you! Some of us on the Madeleine board don't get out much...
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There were four shots. Reeva was hit in the hip, arm and head. There was a further wound to her finger; it appears they are not sure if this was made by the fourth bullet or an additional wound from one of the other shots.
There are a number of quite detailed videos on the case on Youtube.
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There were four shots. Reeva was hit in the hip, arm and head. There was a further wound to her finger; it appears they are not sure if this was made by the fourth bullet or an additional wound from one of the other shots.
There are a number of quite detailed videos on the case on Youtube.
Ugh.
I'm guessing the finger wound was a defensive injury, she held her hand up in a futile attempt to ward off the bullets.
Which means, in turn, she was still alive and probably screaming for him to stop.
That poor girl.
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There were four shots. Reeva was hit in the hip, arm and head. There was a further wound to her finger; it appears they are not sure if this was made by the fourth bullet or an additional wound from one of the other shots.
There are a number of quite detailed videos on the case on Youtube.
Yes, quite a few interesting videos there, Tim.
Do you know of any dedicated sites?
I am sure we will build up a body of interesting conversations here at UKJF.
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Yes, quite a few interesting videos there, Tim.
Do you know of any dedicated sites?
I am sure we will build up a body of interesting conversations here at UKJF.
Hopefully not!
I hope the trial will be quick and painful and he drops off the face of the earth.
But you're probably right, there'll be expensive lawyers all over this, appeals, appeals on the appeals....
?8)@)-)
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Yes, quite a few interesting videos there, Tim.
Do you know of any dedicated sites?
I am sure we will build up a body of interesting conversations here at UKJF.
I don't know of any dedicated sites Sherlock.
I wonder how much of the live trial broadcast will be shown in the UK ... No doubt it will be on line like the Jodi Arias trial last year. It might become addictive.
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Anyone notice how the pretrial propaganda videos are being released on the news? Yesterday we had the prosecution's showing Oscar enthusiastically firing the gun he used to kill Reeva! Today we have the defense's lovely dovey vids of Oscar and Reeva out shopping.
So transparent!
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Thats one of the reasons the authorities have agreed it can be televised.
In principle, that sounds like a well-intentioned idea. However, according to Sky's report, live coverage of defence witnesses won't be allowed (as opposed to prosecution ones).
However, cameras will not be able to film the 26-year-old Olympic champion, defence witnesses or anyone else who objects to being on camera.
http://news.sky.com/story/1216950/oscar-pistorius-trial-to-be-shown-on-television
How is that a fair visual representation of court proceedings?
Sky often gets things wrong, so it might not be true...
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In principle, that sounds like a well-intentioned idea. However, according to Sky's report, live coverage of defence witnesses won't be allowed (as opposed to prosecution ones).
However, cameras will not be able to film the 26-year-old Olympic champion, defence witnesses or anyone else who objects to being on camera.
http://news.sky.com/story/1216950/oscar-pistorius-trial-to-be-shown-on-television
How is that a fair visual representation of court proceedings?
Sky often gets things wrong, so it might not be true...
Its not just a well intentioned idea, its a fact
The fact that the prosecution wil be under scrutiny more seems to have bypassed you here LOL
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Anyone notice how the pretrial propaganda videos are being released on the news? Yesterday we had the prosecution's showing Oscar enthusiastically firing the gun he used to kill Reeva! Today we have the defense's lovely dovey vids of Oscar and Reeva out shopping.
So transparent!
All of these defence shenanigans, playing the media, PR and expensive lawyers, are now SOP for well heeled or canny suspects.
Unfortunately for them these tactics are slowly backfiring, as we the weary public start to recognise a predictable pattern, the wealthy purveying the "truth" on camera.
They are training us to be cynical. OJ did it, then MJ, the Ramsey's, ad nauseum. We are sick of being treated like idiots by smart defence teams.
Soon, even an innocent individual will be presumed guilty by the general public, if they start using the media this way.
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Its not just a well intentioned idea, its a fact
The fact that the prosecution wil be under scrutiny more seems to have bypassed you here LOL
If that article is accurate (which it may not be), how could the prosecution be under scrutiny if defence rebuttals and witnesses can't be viewed?