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Offline sadie

Re: How could Jez and Gerry not see Jane?
« Reply #255 on: November 30, 2016, 05:38:29 PM »
Is this the post you are referring to Sadie?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1963.msg63132#msg63132

You had the benefit of Johns post to help you.

Why didn't you use this info before Gunit?  Better than yours.

And this states that the field of vision when using both eyes is only 100* against the 130* in your post   £5%4%


Offline Robittybob1

Re: How could Jez and Gerry not see Jane?
« Reply #256 on: November 30, 2016, 05:39:57 PM »
Thank you John.  I went thru all Heris posts but the images do not show on some of them.  Well done for finding it.

Heriberto  Thanks to Heriberto Janosch.

When both eyes are being used, the periferal vision is only 100* [between the two blue lines].  So only 50* in either direction.  That is not very great.

Altogether different to your info Gunit.



And it was dark too, so that wouldn't help
Sadie when both eyes are used the field is the brown lines not the blue lines.
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Offline sadie

Re: How could Jez and Gerry not see Jane?
« Reply #257 on: November 30, 2016, 05:45:14 PM »
Sadie when both eyes are used the field is the brown lines not the blue lines.

Not from what Heri said ... and he is an expert criminologist which must include elements of forensics

Offline Robittybob1

Re: How could Jez and Gerry not see Jane?
« Reply #258 on: November 30, 2016, 05:55:30 PM »
Not from what Heri said ... and he is a forensic expert.
And I'm the scientist.  I'm sure I'm right.  Each eye (singly)  is restricted by the nose being in the way but when you use both eyes at the same time your brain ignores the bit where each eye is seeing the nose. 
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Offline sadie

Re: How could Jez and Gerry not see Jane?
« Reply #259 on: November 30, 2016, 05:57:33 PM »
Not according to Heri and he is a forensic scientist (among several other scientific fields ...) a very clever man.


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« Reply #98 on: July 22, 2013, 07:50:42 PM »

And 50º are just the limit of human binocular vision, although the visual field is uneven, it is not uniform and has its maximum definition in its central part.
So 100* total Human binocular vision

Human binocular vision meaning when two eyes are used together. 
Look the words up if you dont believe me.


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Offline Robittybob1

Re: How could Jez and Gerry not see Jane?
« Reply #260 on: November 30, 2016, 10:59:13 PM »
I feel real lucky to have found a copy of the text of the article:

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic9095.html


Man who could clear McCanns

Maddie: The Secret Witness

TV boss holds vital clue to mystery


News of the World
By Dominic Herbert & Ross Hall
16 September 2007

THIS is the secret witness whose bombshell testimony could clear the McCanns.

Pictured here for the first time, Jeremy Wilkins' evidence blows holes in the police theory that Gerry and Kate killed four-year-old Madeleine.



Wilkins — seen outside his north west London home — was the man heart surgeon Gerry McCann, 38, spoke with for up to 15 minutes outside the holiday apartments — moments after checking on his children for the last time.

What the TV producer witnessed makes the statement he gave to police a key piece of evidence in the event of a trial.

A friend of Wilkins told the News of the World: "He is entirely convinced of Kate and Gerry's innocence. He believes they are a decent family caught up in an unimaginable nightmare."

We can reveal Wilkins constantly INSISTED to Portuguese detectives that Gerry was totally calm and unflustered as they chatted—far removed from the behaviour that might be expected of a man covering up the death of his daughter.

But another part of Wilkins' evidence ironically helped shift the police focus AWAY from their original kidnap theory.

For the 36-year-old holidaymaker turned the investigation on its head when he revealed a VITAL FLAW in the statement given by key witness, Jane Tanner (right), who claims she saw a man carrying a child away from the apartment complex.

Based on what he has said, Portuguese sources confirmed that police have doubts about Miss Tanner's evidence.

One said: "Her account has raised more questions than answers. She is high on the list of people we need to speak to again."

Wilkins was refusing to expand on what he has told police. His girlfriend Bridget O'Donnell —who was in Praia da Luz with the producer and their eight-month-old son—said: "We have decided it's not appropriate to talk about what happened."

Wilkins' pal added: "He came back from the holiday totally shell-shocked. He was part of a British crowd which included the McCanns who became friends as they holidayed in Portugal.

"He played tennis with Gerry the day before Madeleine disappeared. He has barely said a word about the whole case. He feels as a potential witness that would be inappropriate."

Wilkins—whose production company Zig Zag has made a string of controversial TV programmes—is likely to be re-interviewed as Portuguese detectives desperately try to build a case against the McCanns.

Some of the seven diners who were at the tapas restaurant with the couple on May 3 have already travelled back to Portugal once before to go over events leading to Madeleine's disappearance.

Next time they may be quizzed in the UK by British police assisting their EU counterparts on the inquiry.

Wilkins' crucial encounter with Gerry took place at 9.10pm on the main street outside the apartments next to the McCanns'—and at the entrance to a narrow alleyway that runs past the back of them.

The two were both tennis fans and had played each other during the course of the holiday.

On the night Maddie disappeared Wilkins was taking his eight-month-old son for a walk.

When he bumped into Gerry the two men chatted for up to 15 minutes before the surgeon returned to the tapas bar.

It was during this period of time that Tanner, 37, another member of the McCanns' party, said she WALKED PAST the two men on her way back to her apartment to check on her youngsters.

She told police that she saw a dark-haired man, aged about 35, carrying a child who could have been Maddie's wrapped in a blanket at 9.15pm—when Gerry and Wilkins would still have been chatting.

But Wilkins, viewed by police as a completely independent witness, told cops he could not recall anyone walking past him. And in all the time he was there he saw NO MAN carrying a child.

The TV executive is convinced he would have seen Jane Tanner pass by.

He said: "It was a very narrow path and I think it would have been almost impossible for anyone to walk by without me noticing."

And he also believes he would have seen the mystery man and child who would also have been just yards away.

Cops asked mum-of-two Tanner—on the holiday with with her partner Dr Russell O'Brien, 36—whether it was possible that the man and child she saw was Wilkins with his son.

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But a source told us: "She was adamant that it was not Jeremy Wilkins and his child. She is certain she saw someone else and stands by her account."

Gerry and Tanner returned to the restaurant separately shortly afterwards and it was at 10pm that Kate McCann went to check on the children and found Madeleine gone.

Wilkins' importance in the inquiry has only been highlighted because police are troubled by possible inconsistencies in the McCann friends' statements, including discrepancies in the times various people recall arriving at the restaurant.

The Portuguese police believe the McCanns may have been involved in Madeleine's disappearance and think one may be covering up for the other.

Officers are probing an unlikely "three-hour window of opportunity" between 6pm and 9pm when they suspect Madeleine was killed in the apartment and her body hidden somewhere nearby. Forensic evidence gathered so far including DNA or body fluid samples is thought to be inconclusive.

Portuguese police say they could name more official suspects in the coming weeks.

« Last Edit: December 01, 2016, 01:53:30 AM by John »
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: How could Jez and Gerry not see Jane?
« Reply #261 on: December 01, 2016, 02:54:46 AM »
John - are you not happy about exploring whether the chat could have been 15 minutes long?
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Offline sadie

Re: How could Jez and Gerry not see Jane?
« Reply #262 on: December 01, 2016, 10:29:22 AM »
I feel I must mention this

Gerry Mccann is NOT a heart SURGEON

He IS a Consultant heart PHYSICIAN and as such carries the title Dr rather than Mr.

Something I was reading last week also called him PROFESSOR, but that is the only time that I have come across him called that.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: How could Jez and Gerry not see Jane?
« Reply #263 on: December 01, 2016, 11:01:17 AM »
I have been doing so much research on the case, basically just from Google searches and reading the results one by one.  I was using the search terms, bridget o'donnell madeleine mccann, and after several pages there is a short video clip (it is only 13 seconds long) supposedly produced by Bridget and Jez and in it is a Madeleine McCann look alike (very much alike).  Is this Bridget's daughter? I have no way of telling what year the clip was filmed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0oglcDCiPo

It was after watching this and reading other posts and articles things became clearer. A repeat of this post will be placed on the other thread about the first poster.

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Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: How could Jez and Gerry not see Jane?
« Reply #264 on: December 01, 2016, 11:26:03 AM »
I feel I must mention this

Gerry Mccann is NOT a heart SURGEON

He IS a Consultant heart PHYSICIAN and as such carries the title Dr rather than Mr.

Something I was reading last week also called him PROFESSOR, but that is the only time that I have come across him called that.
Does it matter?

If it does then he is currently Professor McCann.  Source http://www2.le.ac.uk/departments/cardiovascular-sciences/people/mccann

What he was in 2007, dunno.

I think the way qualifications work in Portugal, I am entitled to call myself Dr here.  Does it matter?  Should I look it up and see if I should insist on being called Dr ShiningInLuz?
What's up, old man?

Offline jassi

Re: How could Jez and Gerry not see Jane?
« Reply #265 on: December 01, 2016, 11:43:13 AM »
Does it matter?

If it does then he is currently Professor McCann.  Source http://www2.le.ac.uk/departments/cardiovascular-sciences/people/mccann

What he was in 2007, dunno.

I think the way qualifications work in Portugal, I am entitled to call myself Dr here.  Does it matter?  Should I look it up and see if I should insist on being called Dr ShiningInLuz?


Not reall. All it means is that he has moved into the field of academia and is employed by the university in a research / teaching capacity, rather than as a day to day clinician in the hospital.
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Offline Benice

Re: How could Jez and Gerry not see Jane?
« Reply #266 on: December 01, 2016, 11:50:34 AM »
Does it matter?

If it does then he is currently Professor McCann.  Source http://www2.le.ac.uk/departments/cardiovascular-sciences/people/mccann

What he was in 2007, dunno.

I think the way qualifications work in Portugal, I am entitled to call myself Dr here.  Does it matter?  Should I look it up and see if I should insist on being called Dr ShiningInLuz?

Actually it does matter imo as in his book Amaral gives Gerry's occupation as a heart surgeon, used to cutting up people, as the reason why he could remain calm - when others could not.   (words to that effect).

Completely untrue of course but no doubt it had the desired effect on many of his readers.   

The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: How could Jez and Gerry not see Jane?
« Reply #267 on: December 01, 2016, 12:01:01 PM »
Actually it does matter imo as in his book Amaral gives Gerry's occupation as a heart surgeon, used to cutting up people, as the reason why he could remain calm - when others could not.   (words to that effect).

Completely untrue of course but no doubt it had the desired effect on many of his readers.
OK, so what was his occupation in May 2007?

And had he, or had he not, been a practitioner of surgical cardiology?  Or does one get to be a professor without actually practicing what one teaches?

Had he cut people up or not?
What's up, old man?

Offline G-Unit

Re: How could Jez and Gerry not see Jane?
« Reply #268 on: December 01, 2016, 12:06:11 PM »
Actually it does matter imo as in his book Amaral gives Gerry's occupation as a heart surgeon, used to cutting up people, as the reason why he could remain calm - when others could not.   (words to that effect).

Completely untrue of course but no doubt it had the desired effect on many of his readers.

The exact context being that one of the English police officers said "Don't forget he's a heart surgeon and he cuts people open before breakfast"
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Offline jassi

Re: How could Jez and Gerry not see Jane?
« Reply #269 on: December 01, 2016, 12:07:07 PM »
OK, so what was his occupation in May 2007?

And had he, or had he not, been a practitioner of surgical cardiology?  Or does one get to be a professor without actually practicing what one teaches?

Had he cut people up or not?



Hw will have done a stint in surgery as part of his basic training, but he has never been involved in heart surgery, so No.

He was/is a physician and specialised in imaging of the heart and blood vessels.
There are many medical treatments for heart disease that do not require being under the knife.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future