How could Jez and Gerry not see Jane?

[ShiningInLuz]

Hw will have done a stint in surgery as part of his basic training, but he has never been involved in heart surgery, so No.

He was/is a physician and specialised in imaging of the heart and blood vessels.
There are many medical treatments for heart disease that do not require being under the knife.

Thank you.

I can remember when my brother was at uni training to be a lawyer, and he was taken aback when one of the practicals was conducting an autopsy.  Not watching an autopsy being conducted, but actually doing one.  I believe quite a few of the students lost their lunches that day.

Perhaps Glasgow was a bit softer on its students in Gerry's time.

[Benice]

The exact context being that one of the English police officers said "Don't forget he's a heart surgeon and he cuts people open before breakfast"

Either he thought that was true - which showed a serious lack of knowledge on his part about a prime suspect because he was using untrue information to help build a case against him  - or he knew it wasn't true.  In which case why mention it at all - if it was not intended to give his readers the impression that Gerry was a heart surgeon - with the obvious 'message' which the above quote clearly infers?

 

[G-Unit]

Either he thought that was true - which showed a serious lack of knowledge on his part about a prime suspect because he was using untrue information to help build a case against him  - or he knew it wasn't true.  In which case why mention it at all - if it was not intended to give his readers the impression that Gerry was a heart surgeon - with the obvious 'message' which the above quote clearly infers?

 

A lot of people seem uninformed about Gerald McCann's job, including UK journalists. All his statement says is 'doctor'. Perhaps Amaral assumed the English policeman knew what he was talking about.

[sadie]

Does it matter?

If it does then he is currently Professor McCann.  Source http://www2.le.ac.uk/departments/cardiovascular-sciences/people/mccann

What he was in 2007, dunno.

I think the way qualifications work in Portugal, I am entitled to call myself Dr here.  Does it matter?  Should I look it up and see if I should insist on being called Dr ShiningInLuz?

Are you an engineer, (chartered or similar) ?  ..... cos in most European Countries they have the title Dr. but not in the UK.

[ShiningInLuz]

Are you an engineer, (chartered or similar) ?  ..... cos in most European Countries they have the title Dr. but not in the UK.

No.  I've got a degree, which gains me nowt.  I also have a higher-level post-graduate degree (not a PhD) which I think entitles me to Dr. over here.  I might be right and I might be wrong.  But whichever way it is, it is not going to make my musings on the case more intelligent or more accurate.

Much worse, it seems the Inland Revenue is hunting me, over a matter of a few paltry shillings.  Fortunately, the sun is shining here again, which could be Cannes, Robin Hood's Bay, Amsterdam, well anywhere but ShiningInLuz.  Shh, don't tell them, I'm hiding.

[Brietta]

The exact context being that one of the English police officers said "Don't forget he's a heart surgeon and he cuts people open before breakfast"

No English police officer said that ... just another forum myth from the usual  sources, I am afraid.

[jassi]

Non argument anyway, Who gives a toss?

[Benice]

A lot of people seem uninformed about Gerald McCann's job, including UK journalists. All his statement says is 'doctor'. Perhaps Amaral assumed the English policeman knew what he was talking about.

Surely it would have been more pertinent for Amaral as the Lead investigator to know what he was talking about.     Once he had decided to use certain information to make a point that was detrimental to a suspect  (which is what he did) - then it was his duty as a police officer to be sure of his facts first.    Especially in such serious circumstances.    It's not as if it would have been a difficult task, all he had to do was ask Gerry.

[G-Unit]

Surely it would have been more pertinent for Amaral as the Lead investigator to know what he was talking about.     Once he had decided to use certain information to make a point that was detrimental to a suspect  (which is what he did) - then it was his duty as a police officer to be sure of his facts first.    Especially in such serious circumstances.    It's not as if it would have been a difficult task, all he had to do was ask Gerry.

The discussion he was reporting took place after Gerry McCann surprised everyone by showing no emotional reaction when waiting to be contacted by a suspected kidnapper. It struck them as strange that he seemed unconcerned. The remark made by the policeman was an attempt at explaining why. Correcting the policeman's mistake would have made nonsense of the story, 'Oh, he scans people before breakfast' doesn't quite have the same connotation.

[Benice]

The discussion he was reporting took place after Gerry McCann surprised everyone by showing no emotional reaction when waiting to be contacted by a suspected kidnapper. It struck them as strange that he seemed unconcerned. The remark made by the policeman was an attempt at explaining why. Correcting the policeman's mistake would have made nonsense of the story, 'Oh, he scans people before breakfast' doesn't quite have the same connotation.

None of that alters the fact that by putting untrue information in his book about Gerry he misleads his readers.   People who previously believed that no normal person could calmly do what he was supposed to have done were now given a reason why it was possible in his particular case  - because as a surgeon he was used to cutting people up - so disposing of a body would be easy peasy.    A good theory, except it was totally untrue.  A detail which for some reason Amaral kept from his readers.

Why Gerry would decide it was a really good idea to display a total lack of concern and behave in a light-hearted manner in a room full of  policemen at such a tense time for everyone present is too daft for words. That would make him a simpleton.     The whole idea is nonsense IMO.

What I can believe is that a UK policemen probably brought up the subject of football to him to relieve the tension while they were waiting for the phone to ring.

 

[ShiningInLuz]

None of that alters the fact that by putting untrue information in his book about Gerry he misleads his readers.   People who previously believed that no normal person could calmly do what he was supposed to have done were now given a reason why it was possible in his particular case  - because as a surgeon he was used to cutting people up - so disposing of a body would be easy peasy.    A good theory, except it was totally untrue.  A detail which for some reason Amaral kept from his readers.

Why Gerry would decide it was a really good idea to display a total lack of concern and behave in a light-hearted manner in a room full of  policemen at such a tense time for everyone present is too daft for words. That would make him a simpleton.     The whole idea is nonsense IMO.

What I can believe is that a UK policemen probably brought up the subject of football to him to relieve the tension while they were waiting for the phone to ring.

Does anyone have a date for this incident?  The football phone call I mean.

[Robittybob1]

John - are you not happy about exploring whether the chat could have been 15 minutes long?

The 15 minute chat time has been discussed on other forums because what seems problematic for Jez is the unaccounted for time delay between when Gerry finishing talking to Jez (using Gerry's timeline from 9:10- 9:15)  but Jez does not make it home till 9:30 and he was only staying just a few meters away.
So it has been pointed out by other forums his timeline doesn't ring true so Bridget may have in her dealings with the press inflated the chat time up to 15 minutes to account for this spare time, IMO.
But the truth of it is Jez' alibi can only be corroborated during the 4-5 minute period when he is talking to Gerry.  (This alibi is Confirmed by Jane but Jane's confirmation of it is denied by Jez.)

[Brietta]

The 15 minute chat time has been discussed on other forums because what seems problematic for Jez is the unaccounted for time delay between when Gerry finishing talking to Jez (using Gerry's timeline from 9:10- 9:15)  but Jez does not make it home till 9:30 and he was only staying just a few meters away.
So it has been pointed out by other forums his timeline doesn't ring true so Bridget may have in her dealings with the press inflated the chat time up to 15 minutes to account for this spare time, IMO.
But the truth of it is Jez' alibi can only be corroborated during the 4-5 minute period when he is talking to Gerry.  (This alibi is Confirmed by Jane but Jane's confirmation of it is denied by Jez.)

I am uneasy with some of your references to Jeremy Wilkins ... in my opinion you are straying perilously close to libelling an innocent witness.

[Alice Purjorick]

I am uneasy with some of your references to Jeremy Wilkins ... in my opinion you are straying perilously close to libelling an innocent witness.

You know 'tis nothing but a flight of fancy, I know 'tis nothing but a flight of fancy but will others see it that way?

I think the use of the word "alibi" puts the handle on it. Unless he wants to claim the use of Latin adverbs is de rigeur in the Land Of The Long White Cloud, m'lady....

[Robittybob1]

I am uneasy with some of your references to Jeremy Wilkins ... in my opinion you are straying perilously close to libelling an innocent witness.

On what basis do you claim his innocence?  Would he not be a potential suspect along with all the others?  What would I be accusing him of in any case?  As with everyone they are presumed innocent until proven guilty but that is just the law.  I'm sure detectives working on a case feel someone is responsible long before it is proven in court.