How could Jez and Gerry not see Jane?

[Robittybob1]

Was the receptionist asked if he saw Matthew or Gerry asking him to call the police?  Why would Kate have to see the dogs in order to hand over a blanket to the police?  Your post above is full of banal observations trying desperately hard to make something out of nothing.

Some of the fault must be placed at the hands of the investigators.  A lot of the statements are based on a response to questions put to the interpreter to ask the witness.  This worries me when there are interpreters with a conflict of interest for they could modify the question and the answer.

Quite a few early statements were translated by Robert Murat, so if Amaral was serious in thinking Murat was an arguido why were those statements allowed to remain in the file? 
The investigator should have been aware Matt had gone to reception and so should have asked whether the receptionist remembers this.  If it was the intention to make it look like the McCanns had no intention to call the police they did a good job.

[Robittybob1]

Emma Knight

On the night of 3rd May, after having finished work, I planned to meet a group of colleagues at 22.30 to go out. At about 22.17 I received a call from Lyndsey Johnson, the creche Manager, informing me that the girl had gone missing. I met Lyndsey and the Service Manager, Amy Tierney, near to the Tapas Bar and we initiated the 'Mark Warner procedures for the search of a missing child'.

For Lyndsay to ring Emma at 22.17 Amy's report on the McCann's apartment check had to have happened prior to that.
The "unknown" mother arrive at the creche 22.05, Amy goes to Madeleine's apartment, and rings Lyndsay possibly 22.15, Talked for 2 minutes or so then Lyndsay rings the Manager Emma Knight at 22.17.

[G-Unit]

Can you detail what you mean by "None of the nannies say they went to 5A  during their searches but the T9 said they were there"?
We have Amy Tierney going to 5A does that not count?  Emma and Amy might be thought of as nannies.  What are the sentences that make you think this?

by that time there were lots of people milling around, nannies and lots of Mark WARNER staff and people from the village,
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RACHAEL-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm

I think when they realised she was missing, MARK WARNER sort of got everybody searching and I can remember some of the Nannies coming to the door and they took my number, my phone number, my mobile number and said ‘If we hear anything we’ll give you, we’ll let you know’ and that was three of the Nannies.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE_TANNER_RIGATORY.htm

Jane and Rachael saw nannies at the block, but I haven't seen any nanny specifically saying they went there in their statements except Amy and Charlotte;

 The witness states that she participated in the searches, together with her colleague, Amy, searching various areas of the Ocean Club establishment. She also states that she searched the patio area of the residence where Madeleine stayed with her parents and siblings, and during which, she encountered many individuals inside the apartment but was not able to tell if they were complex employees or friends of the couple. She did not enter the residence in question;
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CHARLOTTE-PENNINGTON.htm

[Alfie]

by that time there were lots of people milling around, nannies and lots of Mark WARNER staff and people from the village,
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RACHAEL-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm

I think when they realised she was missing, MARK WARNER sort of got everybody searching and I can remember some of the Nannies coming to the door and they took my number, my phone number, my mobile number and said ‘If we hear anything we’ll give you, we’ll let you know’ and that was three of the Nannies.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE_TANNER_RIGATORY.htm

Jane and Rachael saw nannies at the block, but I haven't seen any nanny specifically saying they went there in their statements except Amy and Charlotte;

 The witness states that she participated in the searches, together with her colleague, Amy, searching various areas of the Ocean Club establishment. She also states that she searched the patio area of the residence where Madeleine stayed with her parents and siblings, and during which, she encountered many individuals inside the apartment but was not able to tell if they were complex employees or friends of the couple. She did not enter the residence in question;
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CHARLOTTE-PENNINGTON.htm

Blimey, how many nannies do you need before you accept what Jane and Rachel are saying is the truth?

[Robittybob1]

Blimey, how many nannies do you need before you accept what Jane and Rachel are saying is the truth?

It  would also depend on what Jane and Rachel are saying. 
Charlotte says

She also states that she searched the patio area of the residence where Madeleine stayed with her parents and siblings, and during which, she encountered many individuals inside the apartment but was not able to tell if they were complex employees or friends of the couple. She did not enter the residence in question;

[Alfie]

Charlotte says

"Nannies at the block" (good name for a girl band maybe).  Being on the patio counts as "being there" in my book. 

[Robittybob1]

"Nannies at the block" (good name for a girl band maybe).  Being on the patio counts as "being there" in my book.

I fully agree.

[G-Unit]

"Nannies at the block" (good name for a girl band maybe).  Being on the patio counts as "being there" in my book.

We have very different standards, don't we? 'Nannies on the patio' wouldn't be seen by two women who stayed at the other side of block 5 near their front doors. They wouldn't be taking Jane's mobile number or saying 'Hello' to her daughter.

I can remember some of the Nannies coming to the door and they took my number, my phone number, my mobile number and said ‘If we hear anything we’ll give you, we’ll let you know’ and that was three of the Nannies.  And Evie was still up at that time because I can remember them sort of, you know, saying ‘Oh hi Evie’, blah, blah, blah.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE_TANNER_RIGATORY.htm

Who would know Evie's name? Jacqueline and Leanne are likely candidates because they looked after her and Grace Oldfield at the creche.

It probably wasn't Jacqueline;

she did not participate in any search of the apartment where Madeleine was staying with her parents and siblings, nor in its immediate vicinity.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JACQUELINE_WILLIAMS.htm

Leanne doesn't say.

[Alfie]

We have very different standards, don't we? 'Nannies on the patio' wouldn't be seen by two women who stayed at the other side of block 5 near their front doors. They wouldn't be taking Jane's mobile number or saying 'Hello' to her daughter.

I can remember some of the Nannies coming to the door and they took my number, my phone number, my mobile number and said ‘If we hear anything we’ll give you, we’ll let you know’ and that was three of the Nannies.  And Evie was still up at that time because I can remember them sort of, you know, saying ‘Oh hi Evie’, blah, blah, blah.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE_TANNER_RIGATORY.htm

Who would know Evie's name? Jacqueline and Leanne are likely candidates because they looked after her and Grace Oldfield at the creche.

It probably wasn't Jacqueline;

she did not participate in any search of the apartment where Madeleine was staying with her parents and siblings, nor in its immediate vicinity.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JACQUELINE_WILLIAMS.htm

Leanne doesn't say.

We certainly do have very different standards which I am very glad about.  I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt, especially when I can think of no earthly reason why any of these women would have any reason whatsoever to lie about these particular details.  Once again you are making something out of nothing.  I know it's a fun way to pass the time, to spot minor discrepancies in statements, but really - to what end?

[Robittybob1]

We certainly do have very different standards which I am very glad about.  I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt, especially when I can think of no earthly reason why any of these women would have any reason whatsoever to lie about these particular details.  Once again you are making something out of nothing.  I know it's a fun way to pass the time, to spot minor discrepancies in statements, but really - to what end?

I love you Alfie!  Leanne Wagstaff  ha ha how does the joke go Leanne?

She immediately asked what was happening and was told that a girl had disappeared. At first she thought it was a joke, but then she also began to search. She say that she searched everywhere.

This is the second reference in the file to joke or the word I use prank?
XXX

[Alfie]

I love you Alfie!  Leanne Wagstaff  ha ha how does the joke go Leanne?This is the second reference in the file to joke or the word I use prank?
XXX

Erm...OK....

[Robittybob1]

Erm...OK....

I'm just joking.  But I was thankful to you for just quoting (writing) "Leanne" and I thought who was the nanny Leanne so I read her statement and noted she thought the situation was a "joke".  I was wondering how the joke went in her mind.
Was she thinking Amy was tricking her?  Or was she thinking that the abduction was a joke?  Which bit was the joke? 
No wonder they wanted to get Robert Murat (the interpreter) off the case!  I wonder if Robert Murat gave his business card and asked her privately how the joke could have gone?

[Alfie]

I'm just joking.  But I was thankful to you for just writing "Leanne" and I thought who was the nanny Leanne so I read her statement and noted she thought the situation was a "joke".  I was wondering how the joke went in her mind.
Was she thinking Amy was tricking her?  Or was she thinking that the abduction was a joke?  Which bit was the joke? 
No wonder they wanted to get Robert Murat (the interpreter) off the case!  I wonder if Robert Murat gave his business card and asked her privately how the joke could have gone?

When did I ever mention Leanne?  Have you been to Specsavers recently?

[Robittybob1]

When did I ever mention Leanne?  Have you been to Specsavers recently?

Just waking up .... you quoted G-unit http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7805.msg368381#msg368381
Where are my $2 glasses?   I have corrected my post.

[Robittybob1]

We have very different standards, don't we? 'Nannies on the patio' wouldn't be seen by two women who stayed at the other side of block 5 near their front doors. They wouldn't be taking Jane's mobile number or saying 'Hello' to her daughter.

I can remember some of the Nannies coming to the door and they took my number, my phone number, my mobile number and said ‘If we hear anything we’ll give you, we’ll let you know’ and that was three of the Nannies.  And Evie was still up at that time because I can remember them sort of, you know, saying ‘Oh hi Evie’, blah, blah, blah.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE_TANNER_RIGATORY.htm

Who would know Evie's name? Jacqueline and Leanne are likely candidates because they looked after her and Grace Oldfield at the creche.

It probably wasn't Jacqueline;

she did not participate in any search of the apartment where Madeleine was staying with her parents and siblings, nor in its immediate vicinity.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JACQUELINE_WILLIAMS.htm

Leanne doesn't say.

Just from the depth of the conversation I'd say it was Charlotte.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CHARLOTTE-PENNINGTON.htm

- The witness states that she participated in the searches, together with her colleague, Amy, searching various areas of the Ocean Club establishment. She also states that she searched the patio area of the residence where Madeleine stayed with her parents and siblings, and during which, she encountered many individuals inside the apartment but was not able to tell if they were complex employees or friends of the couple. She did not enter the residence in question;
- She participated in the searches until 01H30 on the 4th of May, 2007, when she returned to her residence;

I'd like to think if Amy was there talking to Jane she would have really worked on Jane's sighting.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE_TANNER_RIGATORY.htm
"I was in a complete state at that point and saying ‘Oh I think I’ve something’ and them just saying ‘Oh, don’t worry’ or whatever,...."  The nannies were not listening for clues as I believe Amy would have, but she was tied up with printing of the photos at that time.